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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on May 25, 2023, 09:33:27 PM

Quote from: so98nn on May 09, 2023, 02:49:03 PM

That's definitely not a possibility real soon. There are many glitches in the language and the way ChatGPT works. Most of the time its answers are based on the open source texts available throughout the internet. Yes, it can access billions of texts, scramble them, rearrange, phrase them, correct and construct complex sentences, and give a fruitful output for the question that we asked.

I highly doubt that such AI would be capable of playing the poker game. Yes AI is very advanced tech right now, but you need to teach the AI, and its logic is formulated based on those learnings.

ChatGPT is not specific to playing games. There is just zero chance it may even be able to think stuff about it.

Your opinion is very valid and more than I feel that you have used it, I cannot say much because I have not interacted with the AI, but you are one of the few people who are clear in its scope, some see the AI as the Holy Grail, and despite I know that I have not interacted, I know that it has a long way to go, because this is like when the Mark1 came out, everyone was amazed at what it could do, it was just 1 prototype of what is now something very normal, minituaired, and this is an analogy simple of what AI can represent today that what it will be in 3-4-5 to 10 years that will be something impressive.

Yeah right, the improvement will continue and who knows if what AI can bring after 5-10 years, we really don't know if how accurate and how it can be developed. But one thing is also for sure that in the even that AI will have a better understanding of how the possible outcome, gambling owners will also adjust and will do the best counter to make sure that they still have the advantage.

In the sense of pushing things to gambling, adjustments from the other side will need to anticipate, it's business and they will do everything to protect the business.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

Currently AI provides maximum benefits to the user in every field. As such the gamblers are now quite aware and they try to take advantage of it. Using AI, a gambler can make various decisions depending on the position of the game in gambling, which is not possible for a human to perform fast data analysis. In poker one can guess the probability depending on the cards dealt on the table but cannot predict it in advance. But the reality is that there is no chance of guaranteed victory by using it, which is not even possible.

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Quote from: so98nn on May 09, 2023, 02:49:03 PM

That's definitely not a possibility real soon. There are many glitches in the language and the way ChatGPT works. Most of the time its answers are based on the open source texts available throughout the internet. Yes, it can access billions of texts, scramble them, rearrange, phrase them, correct and construct complex sentences, and give a fruitful output for the question that we asked.

I highly doubt that such AI would be capable of playing the poker game. Yes AI is very advanced tech right now, but you need to teach the AI, and its logic is formulated based on those learnings.

ChatGPT is not specific to playing games. There is just zero chance it may even be able to think stuff about it.

Your opinion is very valid and more than I feel that you have used it, I cannot say much because I have not interacted with the AI, but you are one of the few people who are clear in its scope, some see the AI as the Holy Grail, and despite I know that I have not interacted, I know that it has a long way to go, because this is like when the Mark1 came out, everyone was amazed at what it could do, it was just 1 prototype of what is now something very normal, minituaired, and this is an analogy simple of what AI can represent today that what it will be in 3-4-5 to 10 years that will be something impressive.

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Quote from: Mauser on May 21, 2023, 08:45:56 AM

There is one big reason that ChatGPT can't help in poker and that is it would get banned by casino. Already in chess we have computers that are much stronger than human opponents and would make any form of competition unfair. That is why using software in chess tournaments is banned. In poker there might be a brief period of time where ChatGPT is allowed, but once the use becomes common the casinos will have to react. If ChatGPT becomes allowed permanently, then it would transfer the player base to only gamblers with computer support. Let's say you are an amateur poker player that plays a few times per month that only plays for fun. Usually you would only make small wins or losses over time, but all of a sudden you tend to lose large. If that happens a few times in a row, it's not going to be fun anymore and you will quit. So eventually the poker table will only be filled with ChatGPT bots, where nobody has the edge again. I hope that's not going to be the future of Poker.

There is a pretty big difference between chess and poker. In chess, there is a limited amount of moves and any move can be anticipated before it has been used, so the bots are trained based on that and that is the reason why they tend to beat humans in it. In poker, that is not possible because there is a very huge amount of combinations that can be made with the cards.

On top of that, an AI bot can barely remember or know what other players might be holding and how it should react to things. Though I can't say it with a guarantee, I think it is not possible for AI to beat human players in poker even in the future.

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Quote from: summonerrk on May 22, 2023, 12:46:33 PM

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We live in an amazing time, where not only automation replaces people working with their hands, but also a chat that can replace people whose job it is to invent new things. No one could have guessed that machines would develop so much. And soon it may become not only a problem of the:
- forum (plagiarism of messages),
- poker (unfair play),
but also in all other areas of the Internet. And how to deal with this is unknown. It is time to create regulatory commissions.
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No doubt because of that automation is already happening from now on. People could lose their jobs if the automation process was working in all areas. And no one thought that technology could develop so far and has become a basic need for almost everyone. And soon, maybe chatgpt or whatever it's called will also be a technology that can help gamblers to fight against casinos while casinos also won't let them win.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 22, 2023, 06:56:17 AM

This might not happen now but it is going to take sometimes for this to happen if the chatgpt is advanced and had been coded in a way that it will be sophisticated enough to destroy poker. I don't think this is the reason why the artificial intelligence is developed and I have also tried most time to ask this kind of questions without getting an answer because it was not built for something like that.

I personally believe that never a time will chatGPT have the capacity or and capability to destroy poker, no matter how advance it becomes, poker is a game played by many people, even those in the government, military and other security arm forces, the developers of chatGPT are not scammers, neither are they hackers, and their identity is out there, if ever they would code chatGPT in such a way it becomes a threat to poker, I believe casinos will file a complaint against them and the government/security agents wil go after the developers, it's that simple.

I'm not too sure if chatgpt can destroy poker games, but what I know is anything that can harm casinos, of course casino owners will find ways to counteract all gambling activities using bots or AI.
Even though this poker game will be very interesting if we use our own skills to win the match, but people out there want to use chatgpt to beat the bookies and take advantage of it all.
There doesn't seem to be a place for chatgpt at poker games in the foreseeable future unless certain casinos allow it.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 22, 2023, 06:56:17 AM

This might not happen now but it is going to take sometimes for this to happen if the chatgpt is advanced and had been coded in a way that it will be sophisticated enough to destroy poker. I don't think this is the reason why the artificial intelligence is developed and I have also tried most time to ask this kind of questions without getting an answer because it was not built for something like that.

I personally believe that never a time will chatGPT have the capacity or and capability to destroy poker, no matter how advance it becomes, poker is a game played by many people, even those in the government, military and other security arm forces, the developers of chatGPT are not scammers, neither are they hackers, and their identity is out there, if ever they would code chatGPT in such a way it becomes a threat to poker, I believe casinos will file a complaint against them and the government/security agents wil go after the developers, it's that simple.

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Quote from: STT on May 22, 2023, 12:59:19 PM

I can find Poker sites that will help me decide the odds on the hand I have in front of me and what possible strategies to decide, however its clunky and requires some effort for me to enter manually in the middle of playing. I presume any AI bot is going to interface and help me do it all automatically, I might only have to click a button. Thats the danger that it becomes easier for the computer to help you then people to think for themselves. They can monitor for software running like this I presume and ban it but they'll always be someone looking for an advantage; its still the case some people can do this in their heads anyway.

True, honestly I used to think that it is impossible for an AI or chatbot to destroy online poker but looking at the capability of the chatgpt by openai, i came to a conclusion that due to the vast information and data injected to the AI, it is very possible to create a high-level Bot that can negatively impact online poker making regular players unable to win against the bot.

But I think the destruction of Poker online with the use of AI is dependent on how the user use AI. Just like what the qouted stated, AI can be also programmed to assist player and give advice or suggestion to improve the result of their gameplay.

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I can find Poker sites that will help me decide the odds on the hand I have in front of me and what possible strategies to decide, however its clunky and requires some effort for me to enter manually in the middle of playing. I presume any AI bot is going to interface and help me do it all automatically, I might only have to click a button. Thats the danger that it becomes easier for the computer to help you then people to think for themselves. They can monitor for software running like this I presume and ban it but they'll always be someone looking for an advantage; its still the case some people can do this in their heads anyway.

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To be honest, there is not a single reason why ChatGPT could not easily help in online poker. The bot writes articles perfectly and shows creative skills. And calculations are very simple for him, because mathematics is the basis of computers and their logic. I think that there are already online scripts with a built-in ChatGPT that can play as a bot owner.
I think this will soon become a big problem.

But perhaps the online script cannot be used properly because it still requires the development of codes that are expected to help players play poker for real. We cannot deny that the development of ChatGPT has advanced so far because of the involvement of many parties working to improve the code in the bot. And if this continues for the next few years, massive shifts in various industries may change everything. Perhaps, that's what you mean as a big problem because the existence of robots can reduce labor in many industries.

I think that replacing live labor with automation is always a good thing, because that's how the first conveyor robots were invented for monotonous work. But I always feel sorry for those people who lose their jobs because of this. After all, they were replaced and then corporations start spending less, but unemployment increases. All this leads to globalization, when the rich get richer. But there is not an obvious good side - each robot must be serviced by someone. And therefore, the workplace may not be lost, and the employee will be retrained for higher qualifications.

They will lose their jobs because robots have replaced them, so there will be no more jobs that use human hands. It will be difficult for people who are used to working like that because they have to find other jobs that are not easy to get. And I think before that happens, they have to be prepared to look for another job or they can improve their skills so that if that happens, they can still work in the company or the office. But I think it's still a few years away and won't be immediately applied in many companies or offices.

We live in an amazing time, where not only automation replaces people working with their hands, but also a chat that can replace people whose job it is to invent new things. No one could have guessed that machines would develop so much. And soon it may become not only a problem of the:
- forum (plagiarism of messages),
- poker (unfair play),
but also in all other areas of the Internet. And how to deal with this is unknown. It is time to create regulatory commissions.

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Quote from: maydna on May 21, 2023, 10:32:38 AM

Quote from: summonerrk on May 21, 2023, 02:12:11 AM

To be honest, there is not a single reason why ChatGPT could not easily help in online poker. The bot writes articles perfectly and shows creative skills. And calculations are very simple for him, because mathematics is the basis of computers and their logic. I think that there are already online scripts with a built-in ChatGPT that can play as a bot owner.
I think this will soon become a big problem.

But perhaps the online script cannot be used properly because it still requires the development of codes that are expected to help players play poker for real. We cannot deny that the development of ChatGPT has advanced so far because of the involvement of many parties working to improve the code in the bot. And if this continues for the next few years, massive shifts in various industries may change everything. Perhaps, that's what you mean as a big problem because the existence of robots can reduce labor in many industries.

I think that replacing live labor with automation is always a good thing, because that's how the first conveyor robots were invented for monotonous work. But I always feel sorry for those people who lose their jobs because of this. After all, they were replaced and then corporations start spending less, but unemployment increases. All this leads to globalization, when the rich get richer. But there is not an obvious good side - each robot must be serviced by someone. And therefore, the workplace may not be lost, and the employee will be retrained for higher qualifications.

They will lose their jobs because robots have replaced them, so there will be no more jobs that use human hands. It will be difficult for people who are used to working like that because they have to find other jobs that are not easy to get. And I think before that happens, they have to be prepared to look for another job or they can improve their skills so that if that happens, they can still work in the company or the office. But I think it's still a few years away and won't be immediately applied in many companies or offices.

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Getting to that point, it's valid as even human interventions that kind of patterns is still in the side of human intellectual whether to follow or not, there are many factors when playing pokers, those bluffs are always effective and it's something players need to anticipate and AI might not have that capabilities to anticipate though like what you have said, patterns might be learned but still it's a tough call for every gamblers if they can follow what AI will recommend.

Besides of that, There is also the possibility someone with enough knowledge of coding and hardware could implement some robot (powered with Artificial inteligence). In that case, because the power of such technology, the machine would not only analyze the cards it draws, but it could also take a look at the physical hints and behaviors of its opponents, and try to guess whether they have pulled a good hand or not.

It sounds like an interesting experiment, but there is no way in the world some tournament would allow a machine to play against humans in a tournament which is intended for the players to profit.

A robot even if powered by artificial intelligence, wouldn't be able to analyze and process physical hints and come up with a decision about what that hint actually meant, only a human with a human brain can do such a thing. Humans might be able to do anything, create everything in the world but they would never be able to create a human mentality.

That is why, the world should rather focus on things that can help humanity in the long run instead of trying to create robots or artificial intelligence models that will compete against humans and even win against them.

This is what robots and AIs are lacking, the human mentality. They may store tons and tons of data, but the emotion is not integrated in their system.
Hence, they can't decide like humans. Because such emotion is not present. And when it comes to poker, it would take years and years of experience.
Developers can test such capability but right now, they are not anywhere near when it comes to human poker players.
And if that happens in the future, I don't think casinos would want to include those games that can be overpowered by AIs.

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Quote from: Hispo on May 19, 2023, 07:40:10 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on May 19, 2023, 06:41:53 PM

Getting to that point, it's valid as even human interventions that kind of patterns is still in the side of human intellectual whether to follow or not, there are many factors when playing pokers, those bluffs are always effective and it's something players need to anticipate and AI might not have that capabilities to anticipate though like what you have said, patterns might be learned but still it's a tough call for every gamblers if they can follow what AI will recommend.

Besides of that, There is also the possibility someone with enough knowledge of coding and hardware could implement some robot (powered with Artificial inteligence). In that case, because the power of such technology, the machine would not only analyze the cards it draws, but it could also take a look at the physical hints and behaviors of its opponents, and try to guess whether they have pulled a good hand or not.

It sounds like an interesting experiment, but there is no way in the world some tournament would allow a machine to play against humans in a tournament which is intended for the players to profit.

A robot even if powered by artificial intelligence, wouldn't be able to analyze and process physical hints and come up with a decision about what that hint actually meant, only a human with a human brain can do such a thing. Humans might be able to do anything, create everything in the world but they would never be able to create a human mentality.

That is why, the world should rather focus on things that can help humanity in the long run instead of trying to create robots or artificial intelligence models that will compete against humans and even win against them.

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This might not happen now but it is going to take sometimes for this to happen if the chatgpt is advanced and had been coded in a way that it will be sophisticated enough to destroy poker. I don't think this is the reason why the artificial intelligence is developed and I have also tried most time to ask this kind of questions without getting an answer because it was not built for something like that.

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Quote from: maydna on May 21, 2023, 10:32:38 AM

Quote from: summonerrk on May 21, 2023, 02:12:11 AM

To be honest, there is not a single reason why ChatGPT could not easily help in online poker. The bot writes articles perfectly and shows creative skills. And calculations are very simple for him, because mathematics is the basis of computers and their logic. I think that there are already online scripts with a built-in ChatGPT that can play as a bot owner.
I think this will soon become a big problem.

But perhaps the online script cannot be used properly because it still requires the development of codes that are expected to help players play poker for real. We cannot deny that the development of ChatGPT has advanced so far because of the involvement of many parties working to improve the code in the bot. And if this continues for the next few years, massive shifts in various industries may change everything. Perhaps, that's what you mean as a big problem because the existence of robots can reduce labor in many industries.

I think that replacing live labor with automation is always a good thing, because that's how the first conveyor robots were invented for monotonous work. But I always feel sorry for those people who lose their jobs because of this. After all, they were replaced and then corporations start spending less, but unemployment increases. All this leads to globalization, when the rich get richer. But there is not an obvious good side - each robot must be serviced by someone. And therefore, the workplace may not be lost, and the employee will be retrained for higher qualifications.

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Quote from: Mauser on May 21, 2023, 08:45:56 AM

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

To be honest, there is not a single reason why ChatGPT could not easily help in online poker. The bot writes articles perfectly and shows creative skills. And calculations are very simple for him, because mathematics is the basis of computers and their logic. I think that there are already online scripts with a built-in ChatGPT that can play as a bot owner.
I think this will soon become a big problem.

There is one big reason that ChatGPT can't help in poker and that is it would get banned by casino. Already in chess we have computers that are much stronger than human opponents and would make any form of competition unfair. That is why using software in chess tournaments is banned. In poker there might be a brief period of time where ChatGPT is allowed, but once the use becomes common the casinos will have to react. If ChatGPT becomes allowed permanently, then it would transfer the player base to only gamblers with computer support. Let's say you are an amateur poker player that plays a few times per month that only plays for fun. Usually you would only make small wins or losses over time, but all of a sudden you tend to lose large. If that happens a few times in a row, it's not going to be fun anymore and you will quit. So eventually the poker table will only be filled with ChatGPT bots, where nobody has the edge again. I hope that's not going to be the future of Poker.

However, I don't think it's fair to compare chess and poker. The fact is that in chess the games are always open. And poker is played for a lot of money, and there are thousands of players there. It is unlikely that the poker service can check everyone and understand who is cheating. And even if the poker application has built-in protection against chatgpt software, then players can always cheat through augmented reality. I mean - for the chatgpt to scan the situation on the screen where the poker table is open.

I know that chess cannot be compared with poker, firstly poker is given over to many circumstances that are by chance, the simple fact that cards are shuffled is something different, on the other hand, chess can be interpreted by an AI in many ways, because it has saved all the master moves of the chess grandmasters including the latest tournaments, it is very easy to update because it has many ways to play and if they are combined with other strategies it is easier to perceive, so on that side I do believe that AI can do a lot of damage to born chess players.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 21, 2023, 07:16:30 AM

Quote from: Chikito on May 19, 2023, 08:12:04 PM

Quote from: Hispo on May 19, 2023, 07:40:10 PM

Besides of that, There is also the possibility someone with enough knowledge of coding and hardware could implement some robot (powered with Artificial inteligence). In that case, because the power of such technology, the machine would not only analyze the cards it draws, but it could also take a look at the physical hints and behaviors of its opponents, and try to guess whether they have pulled a good hand or not.

It sounds like an interesting experiment, but there is no way in the world some tournament would allow a machine to play against humans in a tournament which is intended for the players to profit.

Technically is not impossible, but again nothing is a perfect object made by humans, because it still requires human hands, if we see how big a factory does all the work with robots, there are still human hands to control the robot. It's the same in gambling poker. even if play online (where we don't know who the enemy is, maybe robots), still, the human behind the robot to controls the match. But, robots still don't know how to control and look emotional, so if humans use the emotional trick, that is possible would beat robotic intelligence.

That's still the advantage, emotions and how human execute that edge against AI/Robots who control the system, if you have that intellectual advantage there's nothing that AI can do in beating you, but we all know that in terms of following this sentiment there are still people who will try to sort to this AI system to find some advantage to win against their opponents, still debatable as there's no accurate evidence that it can be done by AI system.

In other words, it is what many gamblers call it a hunch or a gut feeling. Following the gut on some bet or gamble session we could be having.

The Artificial inteligences we see nowadays are just hard numbers and analysis of patterns there is no equivalent to a hunch or "following the gut". The day some company managed to recreate such deviation from the code of an Artificial intelligence, they probably created a human being without being aware of it. There is some concerning topics on this.

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Quote from: Mauser on May 21, 2023, 08:45:56 AM

There is one big reason that ChatGPT can't help in poker and that is it would get banned by casino. Already in chess we have computers that are much stronger than human opponents and would make any form of competition unfair. That is why using software in chess tournaments is banned. In poker there might be a brief period of time where ChatGPT is allowed, but once the use becomes common the casinos will have to react. If ChatGPT becomes allowed permanently, then it would transfer the player base to only gamblers with computer support. Let's say you are an amateur poker player that plays a few times per month that only plays for fun. Usually you would only make small wins or losses over time, but all of a sudden you tend to lose large. If that happens a few times in a row, it's not going to be fun anymore and you will quit. So eventually the poker table will only be filled with ChatGPT bots, where nobody has the edge again. I hope that's not going to be the future of Poker.

The AI can be explored in many ways but if we say about using it in big competition to cheat and develop strong moves then it's hard because they will develop system to detect it.Like in chess it's really hard to beat the system because it has already been inputted with millions of possible combinations and forsee next steps which we can't judge so using AI against it will not work and I see why should we do that when it's fun in playing with mind?

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Quote from: Mauser on May 21, 2023, 08:45:56 AM

Quote from: summonerrk on May 21, 2023, 02:12:11 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

To be honest, there is not a single reason why ChatGPT could not easily help in online poker. The bot writes articles perfectly and shows creative skills. And calculations are very simple for him, because mathematics is the basis of computers and their logic. I think that there are already online scripts with a built-in ChatGPT that can play as a bot owner.
I think this will soon become a big problem.

There is one big reason that ChatGPT can't help in poker and that is it would get banned by casino. Already in chess we have computers that are much stronger than human opponents and would make any form of competition unfair. That is why using software in chess tournaments is banned. In poker there might be a brief period of time where ChatGPT is allowed, but once the use becomes common the casinos will have to react. If ChatGPT becomes allowed permanently, then it would transfer the player base to only gamblers with computer support. Let's say you are an amateur poker player that plays a few times per month that only plays for fun. Usually you would only make small wins or losses over time, but all of a sudden you tend to lose large. If that happens a few times in a row, it's not going to be fun anymore and you will quit. So eventually the poker table will only be filled with ChatGPT bots, where nobody has the edge again. I hope that's not going to be the future of Poker.

However, I don't think it's fair to compare chess and poker. The fact is that in chess the games are always open. And poker is played for a lot of money, and there are thousands of players there. It is unlikely that the poker service can check everyone and understand who is cheating. And even if the poker application has built-in protection against chatgpt software, then players can always cheat through augmented reality. I mean - for the chatgpt to scan the situation on the screen where the poker table is open.

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Quote from: summonerrk on May 21, 2023, 02:12:11 AM

To be honest, there is not a single reason why ChatGPT could not easily help in online poker. The bot writes articles perfectly and shows creative skills. And calculations are very simple for him, because mathematics is the basis of computers and their logic. I think that there are already online scripts with a built-in ChatGPT that can play as a bot owner.
I think this will soon become a big problem.

But perhaps the online script cannot be used properly because it still requires the development of codes that are expected to help players play poker for real. We cannot deny that the development of ChatGPT has advanced so far because of the involvement of many parties working to improve the code in the bot. And if this continues for the next few years, massive shifts in various industries may change everything. Perhaps, that's what you mean as a big problem because the existence of robots can reduce labor in many industries.

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