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Quote from: summonerrk on May 21, 2023, 02:12:11 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

To be honest, there is not a single reason why ChatGPT could not easily help in online poker. The bot writes articles perfectly and shows creative skills. And calculations are very simple for him, because mathematics is the basis of computers and their logic. I think that there are already online scripts with a built-in ChatGPT that can play as a bot owner.
I think this will soon become a big problem.

There is one big reason that ChatGPT can't help in poker and that is it would get banned by casino. Already in chess we have computers that are much stronger than human opponents and would make any form of competition unfair. That is why using software in chess tournaments is banned. In poker there might be a brief period of time where ChatGPT is allowed, but once the use becomes common the casinos will have to react. If ChatGPT becomes allowed permanently, then it would transfer the player base to only gamblers with computer support. Let's say you are an amateur poker player that plays a few times per month that only plays for fun. Usually you would only make small wins or losses over time, but all of a sudden you tend to lose large. If that happens a few times in a row, it's not going to be fun anymore and you will quit. So eventually the poker table will only be filled with ChatGPT bots, where nobody has the edge again. I hope that's not going to be the future of Poker.

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Quote from: Alphie12 on May 18, 2023, 03:29:06 PM

ChatGTP made to control people. Social media will soon be flooded with AI with an agenda. For gambling it can be very good since we don't care about agendas.

And what's the agenda? And how is ChatGPT made to control people? Your statements should be backed with proof or at least facts that should prove that they are not just bluffs and they have some reality in them. ChatGPT cannot control people, it's just a useful tool that people can use if they know and understand how it should be used.

Anything in the world can have both positive and negative effects based on how it is used, and if one doesn't know the right method of using something, they might harm themselves with it, but those who the right ways, that thing will never be harmful to them.

Your point is valid, but can a smarty-pants AI like ChatGPT really run the show? Could it just be an amplifier, amplifying our thoughts and ideas to levels we can't match? AI is a tool, including ChatGPT. Like a Swiss Army Knife, it may carve a masterpiece or cause mischief. Can the tool be labelled excellent or bad? Turning to AI-infused social media, are we not already knee-deep in algorithms that shape our social feeds and, to some extent, our view of reality? However, the gaming industry's potential for AI is clear. Innovative games, fair play, and an enhanced user experience are like hitting oil. As with every tool, the user and the regulations determine whether it's a benefit or a liability

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Quote from: Chikito on May 19, 2023, 08:12:04 PM

Quote from: Hispo on May 19, 2023, 07:40:10 PM

Besides of that, There is also the possibility someone with enough knowledge of coding and hardware could implement some robot (powered with Artificial inteligence). In that case, because the power of such technology, the machine would not only analyze the cards it draws, but it could also take a look at the physical hints and behaviors of its opponents, and try to guess whether they have pulled a good hand or not.

It sounds like an interesting experiment, but there is no way in the world some tournament would allow a machine to play against humans in a tournament which is intended for the players to profit.

Technically is not impossible, but again nothing is a perfect object made by humans, because it still requires human hands, if we see how big a factory does all the work with robots, there are still human hands to control the robot. It's the same in gambling poker. even if play online (where we don't know who the enemy is, maybe robots), still, the human behind the robot to controls the match. But, robots still don't know how to control and look emotional, so if humans use the emotional trick, that is possible would beat robotic intelligence.

That's still the advantage, emotions and how human execute that edge against AI/Robots who control the system, if you have that intellectual advantage there's nothing that AI can do in beating you, but we all know that in terms of following this sentiment there are still people who will try to sort to this AI system to find some advantage to win against their opponents, still debatable as there's no accurate evidence that it can be done by AI system.

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Quote from: paxmao on May 18, 2023, 05:56:01 PM

ChatGPT, as an AI language model, can perform a wide range of tasks, including generating text, answering questions, and providing information, it's important to note that its abilities are based on patterns and does not possess a "human" intelligence as we would understand it on this forum. However, a system that can be trained in patterns may be good enough for poker.

Let's imagine ChatGPT can help you to play poker better than on your own. Then it can help others too, right? If it becomes obvious that it's better to use the AI when you play poker, everyone will be using it. ... I think, in the end online poker won't be destroyed because, as it is always happens, some people will come up with a strategy that takes advantage of the current "winning strategy" and allows them to win more often than not.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

To be honest, there is not a single reason why ChatGPT could not easily help in online poker. The bot writes articles perfectly and shows creative skills. And calculations are very simple for him, because mathematics is the basis of computers and their logic. I think that there are already online scripts with a built-in ChatGPT that can play as a bot owner.
I think this will soon become a big problem.

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Quote from: Alphie12 on May 18, 2023, 03:29:06 PM

ChatGTP made to control people. Social media will soon be flooded with AI with an agenda. For gambling it can be very good since we don't care about agendas.

And what's the agenda? And how is ChatGPT made to control people? Your statements should be backed with proof or at least facts that should prove that they are not just bluffs and they have some reality in them. ChatGPT cannot control people, it's just a useful tool that people can use if they know and understand how it should be used.

Anything in the world can have both positive and negative effects based on how it is used, and if one doesn't know the right method of using something, they might harm themselves with it, but those who the right ways, that thing will never be harmful to them.

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Quote from: Chikito on May 19, 2023, 08:12:04 PM

Quote from: Hispo on May 19, 2023, 07:40:10 PM

Besides of that, There is also the possibility someone with enough knowledge of coding and hardware could implement some robot (powered with Artificial inteligence). In that case, because the power of such technology, the machine would not only analyze the cards it draws, but it could also take a look at the physical hints and behaviors of its opponents, and try to guess whether they have pulled a good hand or not.

It sounds like an interesting experiment, but there is no way in the world some tournament would allow a machine to play against humans in a tournament which is intended for the players to profit.

Technically is not impossible, but again nothing is a perfect object made by humans, because it still requires human hands, if we see how big a factory does all the work with robots, there are still human hands to control the robot. It's the same in gambling poker. even if play online (where we don't know who the enemy is, maybe robots), still, the human behind the robot to controls the match. But, robots still don't know how to control and look emotional, so if humans use the emotional trick, that is possible would beat robotic intelligence.

What you say is true because in online poker we cannot know who the opponents are actually playing there, but I also believe that there is human intervention to control it.
After all, online poker is also quite difficult to win and I'm sure if you only rely on robots to play, gamblers who have many ways and tricks to play poker can beat them, but in reality they don't and opponents in online poker always know how we are going next, so we always get a loss and if you win just a little.
Using emotional tricks is unlikely to guarantee a win in my opinion.

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Quote from: Hispo on May 19, 2023, 07:40:10 PM

Besides of that, There is also the possibility someone with enough knowledge of coding and hardware could implement some robot (powered with Artificial inteligence). In that case, because the power of such technology, the machine would not only analyze the cards it draws, but it could also take a look at the physical hints and behaviors of its opponents, and try to guess whether they have pulled a good hand or not.

It sounds like an interesting experiment, but there is no way in the world some tournament would allow a machine to play against humans in a tournament which is intended for the players to profit.

Technically is not impossible, but again nothing is a perfect object made by humans, because it still requires human hands, if we see how big a factory does all the work with robots, there are still human hands to control the robot. It's the same in gambling poker. even if play online (where we don't know who the enemy is, maybe robots), still, the human behind the robot to controls the match. But, robots still don't know how to control and look emotional, so if humans use the emotional trick, that is possible would beat robotic intelligence.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 19, 2023, 06:41:53 PM

Quote from: Hispo on May 18, 2023, 06:17:41 PM

Quote from: paxmao on May 18, 2023, 05:56:01 PM

ChatGPT, as an AI language model, can perform a wide range of tasks, including generating text, answering questions, and providing information, it's important to note that its abilities are based on patterns and does not possess a "human" intelligence as we would understand it on this forum. However, a system that can be trained in patterns may be good enough for poker.

I would like to point out that patterns may help an artificial intelligence to have a better performance while playing poker. But the lack of human-like decision making is what makes me to stay skeptical on the skills an AI could have to become a successful gambler or card player.

Even a human behind can be deceived by patterns and choose whether to follow them or not. That would imply to create something close so an artificial human and not just a chat bot with pattern recognition, in my humble opinion.

Getting to that point, it's valid as even human interventions that kind of patterns is still in the side of human intellectual whether to follow or not, there are many factors when playing pokers, those bluffs are always effective and it's something players need to anticipate and AI might not have that capabilities to anticipate though like what you have said, patterns might be learned but still it's a tough call for every gamblers if they can follow what AI will recommend.

Besides of that, There is also the possibility someone with enough knowledge of coding and hardware could implement some robot (powered with Artificial inteligence). In that case, because the power of such technology, the machine would not only analyze the cards it draws, but it could also take a look at the physical hints and behaviors of its opponents, and try to guess whether they have pulled a good hand or not.

It sounds like an interesting experiment, but there is no way in the world some tournament would allow a machine to play against humans in a tournament which is intended for the players to profit.

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Quote from: Hispo on May 18, 2023, 06:17:41 PM

Quote from: paxmao on May 18, 2023, 05:56:01 PM

ChatGPT, as an AI language model, can perform a wide range of tasks, including generating text, answering questions, and providing information, it's important to note that its abilities are based on patterns and does not possess a "human" intelligence as we would understand it on this forum. However, a system that can be trained in patterns may be good enough for poker.

I would like to point out that patterns may help an artificial intelligence to have a better performance while playing poker. But the lack of human-like decision making is what makes me to stay skeptical on the skills an AI could have to become a successful gambler or card player.

Even a human behind can be deceived by patterns and choose whether to follow them or not. That would imply to create something close so an artificial human and not just a chat bot with pattern recognition, in my humble opinion.

Getting to that point, it's valid as even human interventions that kind of patterns is still in the side of human intellectual whether to follow or not, there are many factors when playing pokers, those bluffs are always effective and it's something players need to anticipate and AI might not have that capabilities to anticipate though like what you have said, patterns might be learned but still it's a tough call for every gamblers if they can follow what AI will recommend.

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Quote from: paxmao on May 18, 2023, 05:56:01 PM

ChatGPT, as an AI language model, can perform a wide range of tasks, including generating text, answering questions, and providing information, it's important to note that its abilities are based on patterns and does not possess a "human" intelligence as we would understand it on this forum. However, a system that can be trained in patterns may be good enough for poker.

I would like to point out that patterns may help an artificial intelligence to have a better performance while playing poker. But the lack of human-like decision making is what makes me to stay skeptical on the skills an AI could have to become a successful gambler or card player.

Even a human behind can be deceived by patterns and choose whether to follow them or not. That would imply to create something close so an artificial human and not just a chat bot with pattern recognition, in my humble opinion.

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Quote from: delfastTions on May 17, 2023, 01:59:18 AM

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Considering that things have changed for chatgpt, I don't know what many things Chatgpt4 brings, but as the publicity has made it known, "it can draw, make videos, and that is Something that goes far above the things that people expected, of course, even so I don't know if the robot is capable of making predictions, or similar things so that it can think better, people see Chatgpt as the only alternative to make money, it's not bad,but to play in a casino I don't think they have the capacity to do it and win as they want.

Now everything related to ChatGPT seems to me to be quite competent marketing and obviously invented by good marketers from this project. They created such an image of mystery, supermystery and even very great intellectual power among the population.
However, for now, for me, this is just an extended version of the usual search program, to which all sorts of functions that are not particularly necessary in life have been added, such as drawing pictures, composing music, and others.
In general, all this is still just a toy for those who have nothing else to do.
And I find ChatGPT completely useless and even harmful when used to predict bets in gambling. Specialists, for example, in sports betting, I think they understand much better on which team and when to bet money.

I don't know if people will get tired of ChatGPT after some time, but now there are too many mentions of it everywhere.

There's a tempest surrounding ChatGPT. Is it a mere illusion or does it carry the weight of a golden promise?

On one spectrum, it's suggested that AI like ChatGPT transcends the limits of a regular search engine. Employing the sorcery of machine learning, it's capable of crafting human-like text. Industries like customer service, education, content creation? They're about to witness a seismic shift.

However, predicting gambling outcomes with it? A path layered with suspicion. Remember, AI is not an all-knowing oracle. No guarantee for future events.

But isn't it riveting to contemplate that we're on the threshold of an AI revolution? Unexplored applications could spring forth, like hidden treasures. Could it evolve beyond a mere 'diversion' for the idle? Fascinating!

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Quote from: paxmao on May 18, 2023, 05:56:01 PM

ChatGPT, as an AI language model, can perform a wide range of tasks, including generating text, answering questions, and providing information, it's important to note that its abilities are based on patterns and does not possess a "human" intelligence as we would understand it on this forum. However, a system that can be trained in patterns may be good enough for poker.

I agree with you, since following lay down pattern will arrive at same results at some point, but then the bigger issues is how the casinos will view such pattern if discovered, will their just look away or get some punishment for the use of AI to gian the followed pattern without humans efforts.

This is what we must consider when discussing the possibility of a new development to fit into an existing one such as poker games.

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ChatGPT, as an AI language model, can perform a wide range of tasks, including generating text, answering questions, and providing information, it's important to note that its abilities are based on patterns and does not possess a "human" intelligence as we would understand it on this forum. However, a system that can be trained in patterns may be good enough for poker.

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Chat GTP can only provide us with what is available for analysis and computations. It is not capable of reading specific people's minds and emotions in predicting the future based on fantasies. In a poker game, Chat GPT can only provide you the chances of winning your cards based on what is seen on the deck and its remaining cards.

So it's like a better version of a scientific calculator because it saves you time and effort from memorizing and making calculations based on your mind which is not that easy. Maybe in the future, a robot can read people's expressions and gestures that might help assess if they are worried and or comfortable with their cards.

Chat GTP is vital for students, and they made full use of it. Computer science students utilized it to repair code bugs, while other students used it to improve their essay writing skills and pose needless questions that required irrelevant answers. Chat GTP has surpassed other social media platforms; I found it useful in so many ways, but it's also detrimental since students will currently wake up and give chat GTP instructions on what happens next in the house. Saving and instructing chat GTP on online tasks to complete within a few seconds or minutes can completely stimulate their laziness and relenting in their activities as students and children.

I agree although we cannot deny the fact that generally speaking, Chat GPT is a big help not just to students. Very busy people can save time and effort due to Chat GPT. It might cause laziness to some people, especially to the next generation but they can always divert the time they save to other activities that makes them productive. The future will become more futuristic because basic stuff like doing research is becoming easier.

Chat GPT brings a lot to the table but at least online poker gambling is still competitive as it is. It might help someone to have an easier time making calculations but that is all this AI can bring. There is still zero chance of knowing the cards of its competitors and those that are in the deck.

Have you interacted with ChatGpt4? I honestly come from a country where I don't have access to the ChatGPT AI and it frustrates me that I can't give my opinion properly based on my experience. What I've said is because of the many videos I've seen, both on Instagram, YouTube and social networks where many use the robot, I understand that ChatGPT-4 is a very good innovation, videos are made, it draws and it is a compendium of what many AIs do individually, I don't know to what extent it has the ability to predict results, I don't know if it is updated to date, all these things are what turn out to be interesting, I think that if you ask the right questions and in a specific way an AI can get good results.

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Quote from: Alphie12 on May 18, 2023, 03:29:06 PM

ChatGTP was made to control people. Social media will soon be flooded with AI with an agenda. For gambling, it can be very good since we don't care about agendas.

But if we don't care about the agenda then we may jump on anything that looks successful without taking the time to properly analyse its outcome and impact on the overall outcome of such development.

Artificial Intelligence bots may be good in some instances but not in all cases e.g. poker games, I can't figure out what role the AI will play in enhancing the player's chances of winning.

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ChatGTP made to control people. Social media will soon be flooded with AI with an agenda. For gambling it can be very good since we don't care about agendas.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

I never take Chat GPt seriously. Because this chat GPT can never give you accurate information. Many people may have expressed many comments about this chat gpt but I will never say that this chat gpt can bring benefits for me. You will never get a perfect solution using it, especially on casino platforms. Maybe you can find information here for other jobs but it may not be accurate. Your comments and luck will always be taken more seriously on the casino platform as this chat gpt can never reveal the luck and comments inside your mind.

People are too exaggerated to confuse gambling using chatgpt including online poker, to be honest as a chatgpt user I usually only use it for a few short jobs like building a website and so on, sometimes it also depends on how the purpose of the chatgpt user itself is that the average gambler using it wants to find a way cheat or break online poker.

Gamblers will never use advanced technology to look for something more valuable than gambling itself. as a gambler, in fact, I have never used let alone taken this chatgpt technology seriously in helping me with my gambling affairs because in my opinion it is enough for me to use analysis and ability to play gambling. without having to intervene AI or chatgpt Wink

Considering that things have changed for chatgpt, I don't know what many things Chatgpt4 brings, but as the publicity has made it known, "it can draw, make videos, and that is Something that goes far above the things that people expected, of course, even so I don't know if the robot is capable of making predictions, or similar things so that it can think better, people see Chatgpt as the only alternative to make money, it's not bad,but to play in a casino I don't think they have the capacity to do it and win as they want.

As per my opinion, casino owners will use counter AI for sure, if chatgpt will manage to give prediction or provide some edge against the house it will cause the business being ruin, and it will not be good considering that casino business are huge and owners can invest to make ure that they still have the good edge facilitating the business.

Let see if how things will proceed, if there's something that will offer to end users or it is just the same. All will still depend more on luck and with the experience.

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Quote from: delfastTions on May 17, 2023, 01:59:18 AM

And I find ChatGPT completely useless and even harmful when used to predict bets in gambling. Specialists, for example, in sports betting, I think they understand much better on which team and when to bet money.

I don't know if people will get tired of ChatGPT after some time, but now there are too many mentions of it everywhere.

That is one point of view but on the other hand, people are using chatGPT to make money out of it in every way possible. There are many betting and prediction groups that claim that they use chatGPT to determine the outcome of matches and charge people money only to do analysis from chatGPT and predict the winner.

Since ChatGPT is quite a new technology, some people are spreading the information that with the use of AI, the betting results can be achieved 100 percent which is totally misleading.

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Quote from: Wiwo on May 15, 2023, 05:30:08 PM

Quote from: Desmong on May 15, 2023, 05:10:52 PM

Even though chatgpt get more advanced, there is no way it can out smart the normal poker system to make money based on how they are programmed to work. Poker is a complex game which is one of the things we must note so that we are not going to be thinking in another dimension that will make us think that change will over many things in the world in due time

You are right and I think chatGPT is overhyped here in the forum compared to outside the forum where much is talked about the potential of chatGPT, but to go as far as predicting it possibly take over poker games whereas not much development is noticed in that directions could be said to be an over-hyped statement.

I guess the best possible way to get clear data of what possibility AI have in the gambling market is to create a poll in that direction and let members vote according to their own knowledge and convictions, this way you can get clear data as to what possibilities await ChatGPT.

People here in the forum are eager to see AI models becoming experts in gambling so that they can use them to win some money which is not going to happen. Grin

These AI models are not made for gambling and they cannot play any gambling game effectively, if you use them for research and analysis of sports events, it might assist you but it won't provide you with accurate predictions itself.

We need to understand that we have not reached that time yet when AI is ready to take over humans in a lot of things, maybe in the future, if developers can do wonders, AI models can be able to do things we can't even expect they can do.

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