Can we Manipulate Bitcoin price? - page 50.

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Quote from: CasinoBetGame on October 17, 2016, 04:50:27 PM

you can manipulate bitcoin price
but you must have big capital money and big bitcoin, in to you can take profit

I think manipulate the price of bitcoin is not easy especially if users bitcoin more would be more difficult to create panic to all users, I think if this method fails will be very harmful to you?

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

I think there is manipulation happen in bitcoin like other crypto currency or altcoins. Because i think there are many big holders of bitcoin that they can manipulate the price. So the bitcoin is so stable and not fall to 500$ per bitcoin coz they dont want bitcoin drop the pricr.

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Quote from: darety1 on October 17, 2016, 03:49:52 AM

One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

Yes I agree, one person can not change anything. But we have a lot in this forum, and we can try to influence the price

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Quote from: sobsitesearch on October 17, 2016, 11:28:49 PM

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Quote from: darety1 on October 17, 2016, 03:49:52 AM

One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

yeah I agree with you I think even if you're someone who has a very large capital and you aim to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it will not be all you can do because you would need a team, there is a lot of work you have to do at the same time when you want to manipulate price, you will not be able to do it alone?

You will do bad things to earn income i think that is not good for you, illegal activities can harm the family of who will do the manipulation of bitcoin price, much better to work hard and do not think any illegal things in bitcoin.

Yeah and options for working through the bitcoin payment have been spreading. There are a lot of jobs now that you can pick. You can blog and put some advertisements, there is this signature campaign which offers some good payment and a lot more in the services thread.

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Quote from: ajun96 on October 17, 2016, 11:25:41 PM

Quote from: darety1 on October 17, 2016, 03:49:52 AM

One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

yeah I agree with you I think even if you're someone who has a very large capital and you aim to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it will not be all you can do because you would need a team, there is a lot of work you have to do at the same time when you want to manipulate price, you will not be able to do it alone?

but i think such a big number of people cannot agree on one point, therefore it is not so easy to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it really need a very big investment to so so.

If there are only two points to agree upon, namely, whether the price should rise or it should fall, I see no reason why they couldn't arrive at a decision on this. Further, the minority would have to nolens volens accept what the majority (in total wealth terms, of course) made up their mind to, since otherwise they would be left holding the bag for the latter. I would say it is sooner a problem of trust between the members of the pump group rather than of hypothetical disagreement among them per se...

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Nice statement dude, time will come that manipulation can be hard for this people as the more people are adopting bitcoins the more the ownership will increase and the volume as well increases, it is just a matter of time before we can see the price to be stable and I believe it will happen in the near future.

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Quote from: PsursV on October 18, 2016, 01:41:09 AM

Quote from: ajun96 on October 17, 2016, 11:25:41 PM

Quote from: darety1 on October 17, 2016, 03:49:52 AM

One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

yeah I agree with you I think even if you're someone who has a very large capital and you aim to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it will not be all you can do because you would need a team, there is a lot of work you have to do at the same time when you want to manipulate price, you will not be able to do it alone?

but i think such a big number of people cannot agree on one point, therefore it is not so easy to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it really need a very big investment to so so.

If there are only two points to agree upon, namely, whether the price should rise or it should fall, I see no reason why they couldn't arrive at a decision on this. Further, the minority would have to nolens volens accept what the majority (in total wealth terms, of course) made up their mind to, since otherwise they would be left holding the bag for the latter. I would say it is sooner a problem of trust between the members of the pump group rather than of hypothetical disagreement among them per se...

When money talks, bullshit walks

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Quote from: ajun96 on October 17, 2016, 11:25:41 PM

Quote from: darety1 on October 17, 2016, 03:49:52 AM

One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

yeah I agree with you I think even if you're someone who has a very large capital and you aim to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it will not be all you can do because you would need a team, there is a lot of work you have to do at the same time when you want to manipulate price, you will not be able to do it alone?

but i think such a big number of people cannot agree on one point, therefore it is not so easy to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it really need a very big investment to so so.

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Quote from: ajun96 on October 17, 2016, 11:25:41 PM

Quote from: darety1 on October 17, 2016, 03:49:52 AM

One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

yeah I agree with you I think even if you're someone who has a very large capital and you aim to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it will not be all you can do because you would need a team, there is a lot of work you have to do at the same time when you want to manipulate price, you will not be able to do it alone?

You will do bad things to earn income i think that is not good for you, illegal activities can harm the family of who will do the manipulation of bitcoin price, much better to work hard and do not think any illegal things in bitcoin.

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Quote from: darety1 on October 17, 2016, 03:49:52 AM

One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

yeah I agree with you I think even if you're someone who has a very large capital and you aim to manipulate the price of bitcoin, it will not be all you can do because you would need a team, there is a lot of work you have to do at the same time when you want to manipulate price, you will not be able to do it alone?

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Quote from: Rostadom on October 16, 2016, 10:30:37 PM

I think altogether, we can make the price of Bitcoin move a little. If we were to create a group of pumper and dumper in this forum, I don't think those people that has a lot of Bitcoins will go with us since we're basically a no one in this place. But adding all the Bitcoins that we have will create a relatively large amount of Bitcoin, I think that would be enough to move the price of Bitcoin but not enough to actually "manipulate" the price of Bitcoin.

I think not a good idea to create a group pumper and dumper in this forum, because anyone can take a chance and play dirty before they know that the price will pump or dump. unless the group is your friend all.
bitcoin price is also very difficult to manipulate, it really requires substantial funds, is still better to manipulate altcoin prices and get a good profit there.

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Quote from: CasinoBetGame on October 17, 2016, 04:50:27 PM

you can manipulate bitcoin price
but you must have big capital money and big bitcoin, in to you can take profit

I do not think that we can manipulate even we have big amount of capital, how?
Manipulation is illegal we need to work fair bitcoin is created to make us profit and not to make us bad.

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you can manipulate bitcoin price
but you must have big capital money and big bitcoin, in to you can take profit

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Quote from: darety1 on October 17, 2016, 03:49:52 AM

One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

One man definitely can, if he is Satoshi. Wink

The idea is that large whales can influence the price, if they have sufficient stashes of bitcoins and fiat.
In the end price is moved by demand/supply, whether that demand/supply is created by one man or millions.

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The only thing I see about how we can manipulate Bitcoin price is to show more interest to it. Bitcoin became so sucessful and strong only cause of that and only that can provoke it's popularity to grow. Today Bitcoin started to appear more often on TV and professional economists are talking about it and governments are taking laws about bitcoin. All that awakes the interest from ordinary people and the interest makes the price to grow.

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One man can not do anything but the whole people that are intersted in bitcoins can.

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I think altogether, we can make the price of Bitcoin move a little. If we were to create a group of pumper and dumper in this forum, I don't think those people that has a lot of Bitcoins will go with us since we're basically a no one in this place. But adding all the Bitcoins that we have will create a relatively large amount of Bitcoin, I think that would be enough to move the price of Bitcoin but not enough to actually "manipulate" the price of Bitcoin.

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Quote from: jossiel on October 16, 2016, 10:00:17 PM

Quote from: Regionit on October 16, 2016, 11:23:22 AM

If the big whales can control the media, they can influence people's opinion and do not need much money to manipulate the price.

The same thing in whales in bitcoin, since they are the ones who are holding a lot of bitcoins so every act they do has a big impact in the price.

If they are want that the price of bitcoin is going to increase then they are just going to keep on holding their bitcoins.

But if they want to make the price decrease then they would probably sell, but I think they are weighing it as long as the favor is with them.

In overall whales want the price to increase so they can make more money, if ever there is a price fall back that is happening we have to be willing to buy those cheap bitcoins as it is just done by the whales to buy cheap bitcoins to maximize their profit. We should go with the flow.

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Quote from: Regionit on October 16, 2016, 11:23:22 AM

If the big whales can control the media, they can influence people's opinion and do not need much money to manipulate the price.

The same thing in whales in bitcoin, since they are the ones who are holding a lot of bitcoins so every act they do has a big impact in the price.

If they are want that the price of bitcoin is going to increase then they are just going to keep on holding their bitcoins.

But if they want to make the price decrease then they would probably sell, but I think they are weighing it as long as the favor is with them.

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Quote from: serjent05 on October 16, 2016, 01:16:59 PM

Quote from: iv4n on October 16, 2016, 12:35:05 PM

Quote from: Johnyloco on October 16, 2016, 09:29:05 AM

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

You are right, information placed on right place in right time can become news that can affect price in both ways. Before it was easy to move market with money, but then bitcoin wasn't so expensive. Now news are moving market, and halving is great example of how some big news can influence on btc price.
I think that will be the future, manipulation of price can be done with good organization.
That's why I always thought that trolls are paid for trolling, simply they are tool's for this kind of cold wars.

I agree, to manipulate any price, people just need the right timing on whatever recent big news about bitcoin and exploit it by spreading rumors which we can call propaganda. With this and supported by many people, it will have a great impact on the price. This way price manipulation occur.

But the problem are sponsor who can sponsor for promoting or start a propaganda to spread a news about bitcoin that can attract people to invest..
If there is some one can do this i think they are already doing it.. thats why we are here in our good price increase .. i think we need right now is more adoption and more merchant that can accept bitcoin as payment..

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Quote from: iv4n on October 16, 2016, 12:35:05 PM

Quote from: Johnyloco on October 16, 2016, 09:29:05 AM

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

You are right, information placed on right place in right time can become news that can affect price in both ways. Before it was easy to move market with money, but then bitcoin wasn't so expensive. Now news are moving market, and halving is great example of how some big news can influence on btc price.
I think that will be the future, manipulation of price can be done with good organization.
That's why I always thought that trolls are paid for trolling, simply they are tool's for this kind of cold wars.

I agree, to manipulate any price, people just need the right timing on whatever recent big news about bitcoin and exploit it by spreading rumors which we can call propaganda. With this and supported by many people, it will have a great impact on the price. This way price manipulation occur.

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