Can we Manipulate Bitcoin price? - page 51.

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Quote from: Johnyloco on October 16, 2016, 08:29:05 AM

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

You are right, information placed on right place in right time can become news that can affect price in both ways. Before it was easy to move market with money, but then bitcoin wasn't so expensive. Now news are moving market, and halving is great example of how some big news can influence on btc price.
I think that will be the future, manipulation of price can be done with good organization.
That's why I always thought that trolls are paid for trolling, simply they are tool's for this kind of cold wars.

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Quote from: Johnyloco on October 16, 2016, 08:29:05 AM

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

At this point in time, too many people would react in a several dollar increase unlike back then, too many people would doubt and would decide not to throw money at it thinking that it's only a temporary pump and dump. Today, since people have already proven that they could make money out of bitcoin, they would blindly throw money at it and the whales' job is done.

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Quote from: Johnyloco on October 16, 2016, 08:29:05 AM

Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bit[Suspicious link removed]d example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

If the big whales can control the media, they can influence people's opinion and do not need much money to manipulate the price.

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Actually in the past, big whales needs lots of dollar to be put in the bitcoin market for price to move.

But today, it's different. Whales doesn't need much effort now, at least, to start a trend since no doubt that we have an increase of bitcoin users "who really putting dollar into bitcoin exchanges" to purchase bitcoin.

Good example here is the bitcoin halving speculation prior in the halving actual date.

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Bitcoin are in several hands, soo even with those rich people getting interested into bitcoin they will spend bilions to get almost all the bitcoins, because some people might dont sell their bitcoins, people are saving at bitcoin soo i doubt they will exchange them knowing they get a huge potencial to grow.

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If you hold a big share of bitcoin then obviously you could manipulate it in a few different ways. It might be happenings already.
But I don't think any of the forum users would hold a share big enough to influence the prices.

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 04:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

The bitcoin price can be manipulated but I don't think that we have the power to manipulate is because manipulating the price we should hold a very large amount of bitcoin.

What we can do is manipulating a little bit the price on the exchanges but it goes stable again in a short period of time.

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Quote from: richardsNY on October 15, 2016, 06:04:20 PM

Quote from: Daisy14 on October 15, 2016, 03:24:30 PM

But really, big guys from Wall Street can buy all the bitcoins and leave you some change... they can manipulate all they want.

Wall street traders won't do so. If they buy up all circulating coins, then it will be too costly even when they do it slowly. They are not in the game to pump the price up significantly, so others can dump the price down again by taking profits. It doesn't work like that.

In short, they are not the ones to be left holding the bag. If it were otherwise, some small fish of them (but surely not of Soros caliber) might have jumped on the bandwagon leaving general public holding the bag in the end. But Bitcoin seems not to allow this, and the Wall street wolves would be like any other sheep in this respect...

They certainly don't love to feel like that, and therefore are not interested

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Quote from: Daisy14 on October 15, 2016, 03:24:30 PM

But really, big guys from Wall Street can buy all the bitcoins and leave you some change... they can manipulate all they want.

I thought it could not be done, everyone has bitcoin and not everyone is going to sell all their bitcoin at the same time? think that ?

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Quote from: Daisy14 on October 15, 2016, 03:24:30 PM

But really, big guys from Wall Street can buy all the bitcoins and leave you some change... they can manipulate all they want.

Wall street traders won't do so. If they buy up all circulating coins, then it will be too costly even when they do it slowly. They are not in the game to pump the price up significantly, so others can dump the price down again by taking profits. It doesn't work like that.

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Quote from: Daisy14 on October 15, 2016, 03:24:30 PM

But really, big guys from Wall Street can buy all the bitcoins and leave you some change... they can manipulate all they want.

No isnt soo easy as looks like, there are several coins circulating if those big guys came into bitcoin they may clean the current coins, but they cant control bitcoin because people might bring the coins that were at savings, be sure no one can make such and to make such it will cost millions, no one will spend millions for nothing. Bitcoin its in several hands soo a whale cant control it alone, but its possible to get a big influence at it.

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But really, big guys from Wall Street can buy all the bitcoins and leave you some change... they can manipulate all they want.

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One little group a pepple like bitcointalk fourm cant manipulate with cryptocurrency like bitcoin.

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Quote from: blackmagician on October 12, 2016, 08:18:44 PM

Yes we can ,we can manipulate the price of.bitcoin to the price we wanted it to go. Some big companies manipulate bitcoin price to gain profit in it.

In my opinion we cant manipulate bitcoin price and im think the one who can manipulate price is the exchanges like happen in 2013 they manipulate the price of the bitcoin.

How can a certain exchange manipulate the price, we have a lot of exchanges so they have to unite with the manipulation then so people will not make easy money for doing some kind of arbitrage.

Normal users can not make manipulation of price of bitcoin you do not have power to do that, considering the amount of you investment, i think we need to work hard and do not think the bad things in bitcoin.

That is right because we are just watching that manipulation of the whales, however if we are good in analyzing the trend we can take advantage of the manipulated price as we can easily predict the outcome of the price rather than the legitimate price movement base on the real demand.

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Quote from: goldcoinminer on October 13, 2016, 12:12:24 AM

Quote from: Galer on October 12, 2016, 08:39:46 PM

Quote from: blackmagician on October 12, 2016, 08:18:44 PM

Yes we can ,we can manipulate the price of.bitcoin to the price we wanted it to go. Some big companies manipulate bitcoin price to gain profit in it.

In my opinion we cant manipulate bitcoin price and im think the one who can manipulate price is the exchanges like happen in 2013 they manipulate the price of the bitcoin.

How can a certain exchange manipulate the price, we have a lot of exchanges so they have to unite with the manipulation then so people will not make easy money for doing some kind of arbitrage.

Normal users can not make manipulation of price of bitcoin you do not have power to do that, considering the amount of you investment, i think we need to work hard and do not think the bad things in bitcoin.

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Quote from: Galer on October 12, 2016, 08:39:46 PM

Quote from: blackmagician on October 12, 2016, 08:18:44 PM

Yes we can ,we can manipulate the price of.bitcoin to the price we wanted it to go. Some big companies manipulate bitcoin price to gain profit in it.

In my opinion we cant manipulate bitcoin price and im think the one who can manipulate price is the exchanges like happen in 2013 they manipulate the price of the bitcoin.

How can a certain exchange manipulate the price, we have a lot of exchanges so they have to unite with the manipulation then so people will not make easy money for doing some kind of arbitrage.

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Quote from: blackmagician on October 12, 2016, 08:18:44 PM

Yes we can ,we can manipulate the price of.bitcoin to the price we wanted it to go. Some big companies manipulate bitcoin price to gain profit in it.

In my opinion we cant manipulate bitcoin price and im think the one who can manipulate price is the exchanges like happen in 2013 they manipulate the price of the bitcoin.

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Yes we can ,we can manipulate the price of.bitcoin to the price we wanted it to go. Some big companies manipulate bitcoin price to gain profit in it.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on October 12, 2016, 06:26:44 PM

I think it is harder to manipulate Bitcoin Price at this point. Unlike in 2013 where bitcoin numbers that are available in the market are smaller compared to the number of bitcoin available today. It will need hundred of million to boost bitcoin price, and on the other side needs many bitcoin to dump it to lower price. Either way, the manipulator have a bigger chance of losing than winning.

and imagine if the biggest bitcoin holder like satoshi , gavin andersen, FBI seizure funds etc all spend their bitcoin at same time? i mean sell all the bitcoin at same time, it will be a big disaster.

and someone can control / manipulate bitcoin price once it is happened.

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Quote from: hawkins on October 12, 2016, 05:54:04 PM

Quote from: PsursV on October 12, 2016, 03:54:53 PM

yes the price of bitcoin can be manipulate but think it is not such an easy job, it need a lot of bitcoin you have because bitcoin is a universal currency and almost use in all the countries of the word, so it is not so easy to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

bitcoin prices can be manipulated, but I guess we can not do it by having a slightly bitcoin. I feel you need a lot of money and bitcoin in large numbers to do that. even if you have 1000 BTC it might not be enough. maybe just big companies that can do that, however, it may result in bitcoin prices plummeted after the ride

Bitcoin has jumped from the 610 dollars to 640 dollars and the volume showing at poloniex atleast were something like 1 milion dollars, soo be sure when a pump or dump happens at bitcoin its a question of millions and not a single person or some groups might influence the price.

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