Can we Manipulate Bitcoin price? - page 56.

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Quote from: Greatpip on September 05, 2016, 01:09:25 PM

Why manipulate bitcoin? Altcoins are good.

Indeed, altcoins are definitely way easier to manipulate than Bitcoin. If you're invested in Bitcoin it would actually be risky to try and force price movement, it could easily backfire. You don't need a lot of money/BTC to influence the price of brand new altcoins, that's why there is a lot of pump and dump going on.

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Only big players can manipulate and play with the price action of bitcoin. Small players or participants can only wish they could. I don't know how much you must have to be able to influence price movement. For a small owners like me, I'll just let the price take its course and do necessary actions whenever the price is good enough for buying or selling.

Big players or a lot of little players working together in sync would be able to manipulate the market, but I would never even try to manipulate the price because I highly doubt we would be able to get it to work.

I don't know why you would even try to bother and manipulate the price if you don't already have large holdings, most whales manipulate the price because they have large paychecks they can spend on Bitcoin, and can take the losses because it means they get more in the long term.

While we play tic-tac-toe they're playing Korean Starcraft.

I dont think there is such as a manner to manipulate the bitcoin i know for sure that the price of the bitcoin is not manipulated by people he is just doing what he needs to do off course.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 05, 2016, 11:09:11 AM

If you have a lot of money and a knowledge on trading, obviously you can do so at your own will. Significant movements in prices require a lot of money and wouldn't be an instant feat. Leverage trading might also help, but still it depends to you how you do it.

though it still would be really hard because i dont think that you would like to risk a lot of money when trying to manipulate

If you have a lot of funds, you can manipulate the price for the short term. But in the long term, the price is affected by supply and demand.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 05, 2016, 11:09:11 AM

If you have a lot of money and a knowledge on trading, obviously you can do so at your own will. Significant movements in prices require a lot of money and wouldn't be an instant feat. Leverage trading might also help, but still it depends to you how you do it.

though it still would be really hard because i dont think that you would like to risk a lot of money when trying to manipulate

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 05, 2016, 11:09:11 AM

If you have a lot of money and a knowledge on trading, obviously you can do so at your own will. Significant movements in prices require a lot of money and wouldn't be an instant feat. Leverage trading might also help, but still it depends to you how you do it.

thats true, then you might manipulate the price a lot though there is no need to do that to be honest because you wont get anything good with that

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Quote from: btc-facebook on September 06, 2016, 10:45:49 AM

You need mass buyer around the world that agreeing to purchase bitcoin.
Yes, there are some group that able to do that as the action can impact on their profit

Quote from: lister storm on September 06, 2016, 10:37:21 AM

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thats right, i think you need to have a really big amount of money in order to manipulate the price and ordinary people cannot do that

Remember the guy who seek for Pizza , BTC 10.000
If he hold his bitcoin until now, he able to manipulate the price right now Grin

He would be a large whale, but there are plenty of other people who have a lot of bitcoin by now and they did take their chance to pump the price up. Because the yes i believe the halving can pump the price up but not to this extent. This was surely the work of some professional market manipulators.

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You need mass buyer around the world that agreeing to purchase bitcoin.
Yes, there are some group that able to do that as the action can impact on their profit

Quote from: lister storm on September 06, 2016, 10:37:21 AM

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thats right, i think you need to have a really big amount of money in order to manipulate the price and ordinary people cannot do that

Remember the guy who seek for Pizza , BTC 10.000
If he hold his bitcoin until now, he able to manipulate the price right now Grin

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Quote from: pereira4 on September 05, 2016, 11:20:28 AM

Only the big whales of 10.000 BTC would be able to have an impact on the price, and even then, it would be minimum.

We saw hundred of thousands of BTC stolen from Bitfinex and we saw a flash crash and we are already recovering. The amount of money you would need is simply too damn high.

thats right, i think you need to have a really big amount of money in order to manipulate the price and ordinary people cannot do that

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Quote from: Greatpip on September 05, 2016, 01:09:25 PM

Why manipulate bitcoin? Altcoins are good.

Well, you have a good idea, bitcoin cannot be manipulated this days while altcoins can. I believe there are whales in altcoins and they can easily manipulate the price for their favor they are those people who are controlling the pump and dump game of altcoins and they are consistently making money on that method.

It's pretty small chance to hope anyone can manipulated bitcoin price and yeah would be different with altcoin due in every coins has launch in back of them have a black wide to manipulation the price on the market.

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Quote from: maydna on September 05, 2016, 11:23:50 AM

i think if some one or some group have big amount of bitcoin can do this because with big bitcoin in their wallet, they can make dump or pump the market and they can make effect on the rate of bitcoin but in note, maybe its just on one market, because if for all market, then its really need bigger amount of bitcoin, not only 100k or 1000k, but big amount.

Whales already team up to get the price to move into a certain direction. This way of manipulating is very effective since they share the profits as it is a team effort. It makes them have more control over the market compared to them operating per individual.

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Quote from: Greatpip on September 05, 2016, 01:09:25 PM

Why manipulate bitcoin? Altcoins are good.

Well, you have a good idea, bitcoin cannot be manipulated this days while altcoins can. I believe there are whales in altcoins and they can easily manipulate the price for their favor they are those people who are controlling the pump and dump game of altcoins and they are consistently making money on that method.

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Why manipulate bitcoin? Altcoins are good.

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Quote from: pereira4 on September 05, 2016, 11:20:28 AM

Only the big whales of 10.000 BTC would be able to have an impact on the price, and even then, it would be minimum.

We saw hundred of thousands of BTC stolen from Bitfinex and we saw a flash crash and we are already recovering. The amount of money you would need is simply too damn high.

Im agree with the minimum effects if ever big whales will pump or dump BTC10,000 in one full action.

Why it has an after effect is because of those people who will bring with the trend that will build by those action by the big whales. And if most of the people will ride it, it's look like it was a price manipulation.

But take note that my thoughts are only referring to bitcoin as other crypto is purely manipulated when there is a pump or dump.

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i think if some one or some group have big amount of bitcoin can do this because with big bitcoin in their wallet, they can make dump or pump the market and they can make effect on the rate of bitcoin but in note, maybe its just on one market, because if for all market, then its really need bigger amount of bitcoin, not only 100k or 1000k, but big amount.

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Only the big whales of 10.000 BTC would be able to have an impact on the price, and even then, it would be minimum.

We saw hundred of thousands of BTC stolen from Bitfinex and we saw a flash crash and we are already recovering. The amount of money you would need is simply too damn high.

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If you have a lot of money and a knowledge on trading, obviously you can do so at your own will. Significant movements in prices require a lot of money and wouldn't be an instant feat. Leverage trading might also help, but still it depends to you how you do it.

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With high leverage trading, it makes it easier to manipulate the price. With 50x leverage with just 10 btc, you have the ability to buy or sell 500 btc. You can place buy/sell walls and move the price however you want.

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Surely you can manipulate the price of bitcoin but only if you have a million dollar to trade in the free market.

Without a million dollar it is impossible to manipulate the price of bitcoin. It is easier to manipulate the price of a small altcoin which has just started.

If you are one person that is the way. But groups are made to also manipulate it even with just small fluctuations. We do also have a small impact in it. Just by spending or exchanging to altcoins or fiat is a movement.

thats true, there are even groups who are pumping the bitcoins and they can manipulate the bitcoin price really strong unfortunately though its their way of making money

We cannot prevent the manipulation of the bitcoin price.
What we can do is to join the manipulation and make some money ourselves/.

of course we cannot prevent the manipulation and i dont think that we should do something about it because the person who has the most money can regulate it the most

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If we had a group that had a large amount of bitcoin, we could affect the market. But it is probably hard to get people to work together that way especially if it were a large group. It is easier for individuals with large amounts.

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Quote from: Wapinter on April 24, 2016, 04:40:31 PM

I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

I think manipulation is hardly compatible with massive adoption.

What the reason is make you're feeling manipulation is hardly for compatible with massive adoption, but sometimes the manipulation giving the different impact of the massive adoption.

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