Topic: Can You Memorize Your Recovery Phrase? - page 2. (Read 2037 times)

There are people that have high IQ and they can memorize anything for as long as possible. There are things that we may think that it will be difficult to be possible but their are people that can do that which can be very intriguing. We can as well memorize our seed phrase and also write them down something that we can always have access to. Seed phrase is meant to be out of the reach of people around us because if they could have access to it, we could lose everything about our Bitcoin portfolio. There are also silver inscription we can use to keep our seed phrase safe so that it can not be damaged by water or something else.

Absolutely true because the security system will be lost forever if there is an injury to the human brain or memory loss. But instead of memorizing it, it should be stored in an important place where no one outside has access. Or keep it with trusted people in the family so that your security system cannot be accessed by outsiders in any way. I do not consider it safe to memorize or store in any device.  But I think it would be safer to keep it in a document form and give it to a trusted family member.

People can try to memorise seedphrase but I think it will be better not to rely on the memory because anything can happen. Memory fails for many reasons, even the mental stress that go through from our daily activities can cause someone not to remember somethings that have been memorised. Even if one thinks of memorising the seedphrase it will be better to back it up with a storing pattern that will last and can't be erased. If one should even think of memorizing the seedphrase it should be something that should be done always,  memorising it once it is very possible for one to miss the words accordingly after a long time.

Normally seedphrase,  password are supposed to be written down in any manner that will be safe for people to always have easy access to it without stressing the brain. When seedphrase us being memorize and the brain fails it is gone forever.

Then you might as well as uploading encrypted wallet file (e.g. wallet.dat generated by Bitcoin Core) which also contain TX history, TX label, address label and other data. More information would be backed up, without managing PGP public/private key.

There are reasons to keep it better offline and analog. Your encryption passphrase is of comparable strength/entropy to entropy of your wallet's random seed which is represented and backed up by mnemonic recovery words?
Humans are usually not good at generating sufficiently decent entropy, regarding your encryption passphrase.

With your proposal you rely on safe backups of your encryption passphrase AND safe backups of your PGP secret key AND one or multiple safe hosts for your upload. Sounds like a lot of reliance to me.

Cloud storage data centers can suffer data loss (happens rarely, but there have been severe cases). And don't forget, the cloud is just someone else's computer(s).


Lol, why are 24 recovery words "very difficult" when 12 recovery words can be "easily memorized"? Are you serious?

Likely the worst storage option. Unencrypted document? Online computer, your daily driver? Any backups? Good luck with your digitally exposed recovery words. And pray no ransomware ever gets to your computer to deprive you of access...

If you can memorize your security phase then you can memorize it for a long time. However, if the diary or notebook is kept well in the form of documents, the risk is less in this case. Also, if you can memorize it in rhythmic form, it seems to be good. But if your security phase consists of 12 words then it can be easily memorized. But memorizing security phase is very difficult if it is 24 words.  But in my case I saved the security phases in a document so that I can easily retrieve my security phases.

It is not a problem for human with the average memory  ability to memorize 12 or even 24 words SEED phrase. The real  problem is that memory may suddenly fail which  can be caused by variety of reasons - illnesses effecting the brain, casualties resulting in head injury, medications, you name it. Thus I would not consider SEED memorization as the prime. For myself I have developed 100% safe and reliable (which will never fail) way to store my SEED. Feel free to reap its benefits .

Standard is 24 word phrase now. You see how time flies.

Note: Something about 1000 monkeys with typewriters would write a poem if given enough time.

If I want to access my wallet 5 or 10 years later from now I may not be able to remember the 12 word seed phrase and there can be mistake. In this case I think nothing like mesmerizing should be done. I think it would be better if someone made multiple copies of his seed phrases and keep these in well secured place. It should check if its seed phrases are working properly. I recommend keeping the seed phrases on paper rather than keeping them in any online or offline storage where there is no chance of getting hacked. Moreover, if it is stored in the brain, it may not be remembered for any reason. I think it is better to preserve it than to take such a risk.

I was thinking about putting it in an encrypted file and upload it to a host.

Encrypt with good old pgp or pgpi. Perhaps it's to much work thinking about it.

It would give an extra password to remember. For decrypting the file again. And some keys or something.

Put an end to the nonsense with a piece of paper.

It is not impossible but not possible by me . However,I cannot store or memorize sensitive information like recovery phrases, passwords, or personal data. It's important to keep such information secure and private. If you need to store your recovery phrase, consider using a secure method like a password manager or writing it down and keeping it in a safe place.

Yes you can memorize your recovery phrase but there are chances that you forget that phrase as we have too many recovery phrases so it is better to take screenshot of that recovery phrase and save that picture. So in future when you need that phrase yo have it with you.

Memorizing will not be a problem if the Seed Phrase is still somewhere else or has been written and stored in a safe place. Because if you only rely on memorization, it will be very risky for your own assets, human memory will definitely weaken or decrease as daily activities increase.

I myself have never memorized the Seed Phrase, indeed if we try to memorize it is very easy because there are only 12 words but I realize that I am a person who forgets easily so memorizing the seed phrase is not important to me because the risk is very high for my assets. It is better to play it safe by writing down the seed phrase and then storing it in a place that we think is safe, the point is don't try to trivialize things related to assets. Even if you feel that your place is not safe to store the Seed Phrase, you should try to find another safer place because memorizing is not the best solution to secure your assets.

That's right, of course it is not the right choice and also we have remembered a lot but still forgotten because there are many things that we will face in this life and if we still use the method of remembering the private key and one day we need it and cannot remember of course this will be very disappointing because we have taken the trouble to collect it and we will not be able to enjoy the results of what has been collected.

I agree with you to avoid this and it would be better if we could find another way so that we can still enjoy the results of what we have collected because if we cannot maintain it well, then of course it will be very detrimental to ourselves when we have collected a lot of these assets and cannot take any advantage from it.

Memorizing key phrases alone without a backup plan is a very wrong approach.  However the case may be, If one deems it fit to memorise or cram their key phrase then they should have a backup plan which would require them to write still down their key phrase in a safe and secured place where only they can access it if they need it in a situation where their device crashes or otherwise. Aside from this, there are other ways one can save their seed phrase but I think writing it down is more safe and secure.

Nevertheless, it is not all about writing it down but where and how you wrote and store it matters as well because if you secure it properly, the chances of you losing it are minimal and the chances of people seeing it where you kept it is also minimal.

Very terrible idea trying to keep so many things in our head to be keeping such valid information in our head because the moment you forget one their is no way that you will be able to get that one missing piss back and am just trying to what kind of expression that will be on the person face the person and if the money is huge then the person might just get an heart attack because losing money in this hard times. To avoid things, just look for a safer way to keep your seed phrase safe.  And keeping it safe should not be a problem but how safe is it matters a lot, I seen a lot of people losing their shit because they refused keep it proper so this are most of the small small challenges people keep having saving their seed phase.

You set the premise of a somewhat unsafe storage location. There are multiple ways to mitigate this.

The first and obvious:
It shouldn't be too hard to hide a small piece of paper with the mnemonic recovery words in such a way that it would be very hard to discover and find for an intruder.

You can even use an english book and hide your recovery words therein by inconspicuous marking of letters or whole words (use multiple copies of the same book at different places of family members, friends, workplace, you name it).
OK, if it would be the only english book in your household, then it's time to buy more of them.

Second:
Secure your mnemonic recovery words with an additional (optional) mnemonic passphrase which creates a whole new different wallet. The mnemonic recovery words alone then don't reveal your hidden wallet, only maybe a sacrificial one.

It's mandatory to backup both recovery words and the additional mnemonic passphrase very well and not together!

Third:
Paper backups can burn away should fire strike your fate, so steel or titanium metal backups are advisable which are usually larger and less easy to hide. But I'd argue that you can still hide a metal backup well enough that an intruder will have a hard time to find it.


Do not rely solely on your wet brain memory. It will fail you sooner or later.

Anybody can memorize 12 or even 24 words, it's only a matter of proper technique. But you have to keep practicing, recalling and refreshing your memory. To continuously verify your memory you need a reliable written backup otherwise you're soon likely screwed. The need for a reliable verification backup makes memorizing kind of pointless, in my opinion. It's just too dangerous without.

I'll repeat: human memory is a tricky thing, better not rely on it solely. You've been warned.

I feel like memorize it is a terrible idea, what if you Just forget it or don't remember the words order? This practice have a big risk to lose the coins.

And saving the recovery phrase on a place where someone else can access to them is another terrible idea. There are a lot of secure ways to save that phrase, even on a file inside a zip with a password would be better.

Yes, it is possible to memorise your seed phrases, but I strongly advise against it. The human brain is funny at times, it may disappoint you even if you do not have any health issues. It gets worse when it's been long you task yourself in remembering them.

Why not find a means to secure the paper or code one of the phrases?

I wouldn't try this bro, it's risky. The best is to write it down manually and keep it safe.

There are no benefits here if I would be sincere with you. It would have been beneficial if human brains were reliable.

If you can memorize it that is very okay unfortunately not every individuals has the ability or capacity to memorize such an important document on their head this definitely varies with individuals, however I think such an important document shouldn't be kept in the office due to insecurity because it's an open place, apart from the office there should be alternative secured place, however since you have memorized your seed phrase I don't think there is any cause for alarm provided that your retentive memory is very high, personally I have my own way of keeping those kind of  important documents securely without any worries but definitely not in the office