Can you trust a gambler with your money/savings?

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Quote from: swogerino on June 27, 2022, 03:33:22 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on June 26, 2022, 11:00:29 PM

I think everyone deserves a second chance and we all have our way of determining if they're trustworthy with our money or not. Honestly, on me, I wouldn't give them my trust 100% and wholly if they're still addicted. But if seen that they've changed for a long time and they're trying their best to remove and have an abstained attachment to gambling, I think they deserve to have a second chance but as I've said, we all my choice, we all depend on whom we're going to trust.

I also think that everyone deserves a second chance but that second chance is only awarded to persons who have repented sincerely and are rehabilitated from a long time.For such kind of persons I may think that I can entrust some money but not all the money,I can test this person a couple of times and if he is correct then not likely but I may entrust him a bigger amount of money.No other person except this type deserves a second chance as we know that if he has not repented he will keep doing what he did before.

The same for me, I'll give my trust but it has to be sincere and not my entire savings to them. It should be proven that they've changed already and they can prove it not just to me but also to themselves.
Well, I wouldn't do any tests anymore but if they happen to do something wrong by any chance and it's related to the money that I've entrusted to them, then that's already enough.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 05:51:57 PM

True life Story.
A friend i know recently narrated to me how his business almost collapsed due to trust he had for another of his friends who he thought he was helping by recruiting him to manage one of his Retail outlets. He narrated how having put him in charge of that point started observing a decrease in the the profit from there intended for savings and reinvestment. He confronted him severally to know what the problem was, but his friend attributed it to being ill and needing drugs, until one faithful day when he ran into him in a betting shop during working hours betting on virtual football games, how disappointing!

Questions for discussion
- Are gamblers eligible to hold financial positions?
- Do problem gamblers deserve a second chance to hold a financial position?

I can never trust a Panic gambler. I know a gambler isn't exactly a bad guy but it's hard to believe him financially. Because gamblers lose their instincts whenever they lose most of the time in gambling, it is unsafe to keep them in a financial position. But if he can control himself or not be a panic gambler then no problem can be trusted.

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Quote from: hyudien on June 28, 2022, 12:13:53 PM

Quote from: kamvreto on June 28, 2022, 12:26:06 AM

in real life a gambler would not be able to trust holding a position as finance. it is very risky and the position will be used when the gambler lacks money to gamble. On average it is, but if you are a professional gambler, chances are you can still do your job as finance well. There are many types of gamblers from those who gamble for pleasure, as a necessity and addicted gamblers who end up losing continuously.

Everyone deserves a second chance, but the already troubled Gambler is better kept out of a financial position, there are many other jobs. Financial position will be very vulnerable to be misused.

Therefore, it would be better to give a little time so that the gambler can take back his financial position when he has really mastered himself from his thirst for money. I mean he accomplished some self-control from relatively more controlled gambling. But the fact is that it is not as easy as you think, there is no other way than to give financial management to people who are completely unfamiliar with gambling or are not interested in gambling.

It's safer to entrust the financial management to someone who isn't sidetracked to gambling so he could focus on doing his job right. It will be risky to trust a gambler when it comes to that job because we all know that gamblers will risk everything in the name of gambling. It's better to look for someone who is worth our trust than to put a gambler closer to temptation.

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Quote from: kamvreto on June 28, 2022, 12:26:06 AM

in real life a gambler would not be able to trust holding a position as finance. it is very risky and the position will be used when the gambler lacks money to gamble. On average it is, but if you are a professional gambler, chances are you can still do your job as finance well. There are many types of gamblers from those who gamble for pleasure, as a necessity and addicted gamblers who end up losing continuously.

Everyone deserves a second chance, but the already troubled Gambler is better kept out of a financial position, there are many other jobs. Financial position will be very vulnerable to be misused.

Therefore, it would be better to give a little time so that the gambler can take back his financial position when he has really mastered himself from his thirst for money. I mean he accomplished some self-control from relatively more controlled gambling. But the fact is that it is not as easy as you think, there is no other way than to give financial management to people who are completely unfamiliar with gambling or are not interested in gambling.

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Quote from: Fortify on June 26, 2022, 05:44:45 AM

It seems like you're asking two separate questions. Is this about someone working a job and potentially defrauding a company? Rather than trusting a friend on a personal level with your savings, which doesn't seem like a normal scenario that ever needs to happen. Why would you give a person your savings, when you know they have a problem with money handling? If they are a good gambler, playing with acquired skills, then they would never need outside funding from such a source and could build their own bankroll.

At first, he didn't know that his friend has a problem in gambling not until one time where he see him in a betting shop but if only he knows it at a much earlier time, he won't never entrust his money to his friend. His friend can still work with him but on a different role or on a different department where money is out of reach.

If his friend is a skilful gambler and can make money out of it, then I don't think he won't look for any other jobs but he will only use all of this time improving his skill in gambling as this is where his own passion is. When we love what we are doing, we don't feel that we are working anymore but we will only feel that we are playing.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 05:51:57 PM

Questions for discussion
- Are gamblers eligible to hold financial positions?

Yes, Being a gambler doesn't mean you can't hold financial position but it depends on the type of person, I have a friend who manages a and runs every financial transaction in the betting Shop for someone I know up till now everything is running smoothly even to the extent when new shops were he was sent to go manage those shops until those shops start running smoothly , then he was returned back to manage the former place, that shows some gambler could be trusted to manage your money some gambler have good attitude toward handling money regardless.

Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 05:51:57 PM

- Do problem gamblers deserve a second chance to hold a financial position?

Everybody deserve a second chance in life if there is the need for such

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Quote from: rodskee on June 28, 2022, 02:36:29 AM

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Many of us are gamblers in one way or another and most of us know how to control our finances and even increase them through trading or investing.

I think it's not about whether a person is gambling, it's about how he treats other people's money. After all, other people's money (in this case, an organization's money) should not be exposed to risks. If a person does not understand this, then it is better for him not to occupy financial positions.

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Quote from: Masplanc on June 27, 2022, 03:12:00 AM

Quote from: rodskee on June 27, 2022, 02:40:24 AM

Why of all people in the world we are talking about gambler to be entrusting our money ?

Of course the answer is NO, there are many people that i can entrust my money but not with a desperate person(desperate because this i can call a serious gambler, desperate to become millionaire)

and also I am not a type of person that will let my money into others hand because I know that i can make my own for long term .

I wonder why one would think of trusting a gambler if he will temper with the money that he is in charge of. It is as keeping a fish with a cat and still not sure if the cat will eat the fish. When it comes to money a desperate gambler can not be trusted because gambling is a strong addiction that a desperate gambler can be tempted to use the money to play gamble if their is no other way to get money.

Sometimes it is about trust mate, maybe those who are involved are people with close contact in which they are not trusting the money actually but they are trusting the person.
but like what i said it is a NO still if i will be asked to trust my money to gambler , there are few things I consider before investing and those are what made me profiting till now, i rather put my money in business and in other cryptocurrency than putting in gamblers hand.

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in real life a gambler would not be able to trust holding a position as finance. it is very risky and the position will be used when the gambler lacks money to gamble. On average it is, but if you are a professional gambler, chances are you can still do your job as finance well. There are many types of gamblers from those who gamble for pleasure, as a necessity and addicted gamblers who end up losing continuously.

Everyone deserves a second chance, but the already troubled Gambler is better kept out of a financial position, there are many other jobs. Financial position will be very vulnerable to be misused.

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Quote from: nullama on June 27, 2022, 10:37:05 PM

Quote from: btc78 on June 27, 2022, 10:01:09 PM

I had a bad experience almost similar to this thread though it is about Investment and Loan, A friend of mine (in which close to me since Secondary grade) that approach me if I wanted to invest in a Small business Him and His Wife conducting that i come to agree(not asking His wife if this is true and legit because I trust the man) but after giving the funds and checking the business i totally believe about the project but it ended up that He is only using his friend business to make as front for me to invest but the truth is? they are both addicted to gambling and that business is losing its capital.
so it end up My friend has a loan from me that until now? never come back.

It's better to give away the money to a friend instead of loaning it. That way, at least you only lose your money, and maybe keep the friend.

How i wish it is easy to do when the amount borrowed is almost half of your total fund since He is your friend you totally trusted him but after what he does? i don't think that the word Friendship is still intact because it was damaged by fooling and taking advantage of your good friendship .

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Money has some sort of power over people. It's a powerful incentive. People literally do anything for money.

and this is how you can prove who is worth trusting and worth being a friend .

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It's usually a good strategy to keep your own money separate from friends and family businesses.

it use to be an investment but ended up to be a borrowed funds when he lied and did not tell the truth.

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Quote from: btc78 on June 27, 2022, 10:01:09 PM

I had a bad experience almost similar to this thread though it is about Investment and Loan, A friend of mine (in which close to me since Secondary grade) that approach me if I wanted to invest in a Small business Him and His Wife conducting that i come to agree(not asking His wife if this is true and legit because I trust the man) but after giving the funds and checking the business i totally believe about the project but it ended up that He is only using his friend business to make as front for me to invest but the truth is? they are both addicted to gambling and that business is losing its capital.
so it end up My friend has a loan from me that until now? never come back.

It's better to give away the money to a friend instead of loaning it. That way, at least you only lose your money, and maybe keep the friend.

Money has some sort of power over people. It's a powerful incentive. People literally do anything for money.

It's usually a good strategy to keep your own money separate from friends and family businesses.

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I had a bad experience almost similar to this thread though it is about Investment and Loan, A friend of mine (in which close to me since Secondary grade) that approach me if I wanted to invest in a Small business Him and His Wife conducting that i come to agree(not asking His wife if this is true and legit because I trust the man) but after giving the funds and checking the business i totally believe about the project but it ended up that He is only using his friend business to make as front for me to invest but the truth is? they are both addicted to gambling and that business is losing its capital.
so it end up My friend has a loan from me that until now? never come back.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on June 27, 2022, 08:45:28 PM

Lets just say that there are some gamblers that can manage money/savings well like no money is missing or being taken but still you shouldn't trust a gambler with your money/savings even if you are very sure that he/she is trusted. I don't know if there's a saying that goes like this "A gambler is always a gambler" but what I can say about that is very true. If you have a company and you just found out that one or two of your employee is a gambler then I surely won't place them on finance position. If there is a gambler that you know and you can trust him/her 100% that you are sure that he/she won't steal money from you then why not trust him/her (even if you trust a person that you know completely but still there are some people that you really can trust but in the end there's a chance that he/she will steal from you before you will know it).

it's a really painful thing when the person you really trust, stabs you in the back...

recently there was a case in my city, where a parking guard used his unpaid parking money to play slots as a result he got a big loss and ran out of all money. gambling has a strong appeal, people will definitely use the money in their hands to play without caring where the money comes from and what the money is for.

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Quote from: n0ne on June 27, 2022, 07:59:55 PM

It depends, because everything has got its limits. One can't be kept aside just because he is into gambling. According to me if I was in a position to give him an opportunity I'll help and observe him closely. If I find him doing something unwanted I'll give a warning. When it comes to financial position, to some extent we can tolerate.

I think you are a wise person. Well, it's true that when we find our employees who like to gamble and cause a lack of responsibility for the work that has been given to them, giving a warning beforehand is indeed a good step. because sometimes people can change. by giving warning and little tolerance to a certain extent. is expected to make the employee change for the better. even though the opportunity is small but we deserve to give it a chance. It is very difficult to find people who can be trusted. not only because he is a gambler but from ordinary people who do not gamble, it is still difficult to judge correctly. let alone trust it with our financial management. I myself will only entrust financial management to employees who have worked for a long time and we really know their characteristics. although it may take years to find out. So I don't think I'll include new people, be it a gambler or a non-gambler.

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Lets just say that there are some gamblers that can manage money/savings well like no money is missing or being taken but still you shouldn't trust a gambler with your money/savings even if you are very sure that he/she is trusted. I don't know if there's a saying that goes like this "A gambler is always a gambler" but what I can say about that is very true. If you have a company and you just found out that one or two of your employee is a gambler then I surely won't place them on finance position. If there is a gambler that you know and you can trust him/her 100% that you are sure that he/she won't steal money from you then why not trust him/her (even if you trust a person that you know completely but still there are some people that you really can trust but in the end there's a chance that he/she will steal from you before you will know it).

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I'd say that unless it is an extraordinary case, gamblers should only gamble their own money and do not get involved with the savings or invesments of others. The chances of huge gains are always there, however, some people do not like the idea to bet their hard-earned money to horses or football teams.

A problem gamble could have a second chance, but holding a smaller financial position in case they suffer a relapse...

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It depends, because everything has got its limits. One can't be kept aside just because he is into gambling. According to me if I was in a position to give him an opportunity I'll help and observe him closely. If I find him doing something unwanted I'll give a warning. When it comes to financial position, to some extent we can tolerate.

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Quote from: Wawa2013 on June 27, 2022, 06:56:20 PM

Quote from: RILWAN on June 27, 2022, 06:35:43 PM

This story is similar to what I have personally experienced some time ago when I bought a cap for a driver of a taxi and the guy sold my car and gambled with the money without my knowledge. I arrested the driver thereafter but the case has been charged to Court for criminal activity.

That's why we have to be careful about trusting our money or assets to other people, because what you have experienced must have been experienced
by many others as well. Hopefully your experience can be a lesson for all of us, to get to know each person we trust more deeply. Especially in
a situation of economic crisis like now the price of trust becomes expensive, many people betray the trust given to them. Sometimes gambling
addiction can indeed make someone dare to do criminal activities to get money to gamble. Therefore, if we feel we are addicted to gambling,
immediately go to rehabilitation, so that we don't do stupid things, which will destroy our future.

some gamblers really do the desperate move if they are caught in a tight situation. they may not want it but because of their desire to gamble or pay their debts, hence, they do it blindly. so maybe, to make sure no situation like this will happen, better be cautious in trusting funds if you know the person is a gambler.
people resort to unacceptable route if they do feel they are out of options. they will be willing to ruin their reputation just for this vice that they can't control of.

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Quote from: RILWAN on June 27, 2022, 06:35:43 PM

This story is similar to what I have personally experienced some time ago when I bought a cap for a driver of a taxi and the guy sold my car and gambled with the money without my knowledge. I arrested the driver thereafter but the case has been charged to Court for criminal activity.

That's why we have to be careful about trusting our money or assets to other people, because what you have experienced must have been experienced
by many others as well. Hopefully your experience can be a lesson for all of us, to get to know each person we trust more deeply. Especially in
a situation of economic crisis like now the price of trust becomes expensive, many people betray the trust given to them. Sometimes gambling
addiction can indeed make someone dare to do criminal activities to get money to gamble. Therefore, if we feel we are addicted to gambling,
immediately go to rehabilitation, so that we don't do stupid things, which will destroy our future.

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Well, at the end of day it depends on how good or bad gambler person is. Personality makes big role in this discussion and not all employees have same mental health to think rational due to nature of gambling. Someone can run away with my hard earned money after gaining my trust while someone else can use it for personal life without bad purposes. Even if person wanna gamble and ask loan to fund his casino bankroll, I will trust his experience and share with him amount that I can afford to lose.

In my perspective, If a person ask a loan for me to fund his casino bankroll, I would definitely reject him as soon as he told me whether he is a friend/family or good at playing gambling games. It's not because I don't trust him or he has a bad personality, but it's about the responsibleness of a gambler. If a gambler want's to gamble, It is his own responsibility to gamble his own money and not borrow from someone. I've seen someone who borrowed from a loan shark just to gamble but the end result is just a trauma to him.

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