Can you trust a gambler with your money/savings? - page 6.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 04:51:57 PM

Questions for discussion
- Are gamblers eligible to hold financial positions?
- Do problem gamblers deserve a second chance to hold a financial position?

Many gamblers do but there's always a risk of using the company's funds to sustain their addiction, that is why they are always suspected when there's an investigation when there is malversation of the funds.

And I don't think they deserve a second chance until they are totally cured of their addiction, they are a bomb waiting to explode and use the company's money so it's better not to entrust the company's position that involves financial position to protect the company and the person also

someone who is very brave to use company money to gamble is someone who doesn't think long and is certainly not afraid of punishment so don't ever give people like that a second chance. I have a cousin who has been imprisoned 3 times for theft and embezzlement of his company's money but the prison didn't stop his bad behavior, such a trait has entered his mind and soul too.

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Gambing addiction is a mental health problem that can be cured with the right assistance. So to answer your second question - yes, gamblers receive a second chance to hold positions in financial departments, but try to implement strict controls and monitor them for a period - let's say a few months. But make sure he received professional help before giving him a second chance.

You are taking a risk by hiring someone with a gambling addiction, though. So logically that person should be someone you care about.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on June 24, 2022, 06:41:05 PM

I think it's really hard to trust a gambler with your money, i had access before to some money that belong to my brother and I used it to gamble and get a profit multiple times and of course I lost half of it once and I had to find ways to give the money back, from this experience I find it hard for me to even trust myself with other people's money, so in my opinion, you can't trust a drug addict with drugs and you can't trust a gambler with your money.

It depends on the gamblers themselves because if they can stop gambling or at least be responsible for themselves and not use other people's money, we can try to believe it. But it's hard to give trust to people who have wronged us and it takes time. Maybe the person who has wronged us should try to correct himself first before accepting the trust of others. Everyone has the right to get a second chance but it depends on how much intention that person has to change for the better.

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Once an employee have encountered such situation it is hard for a second chance. We know that the person is completely normal and have come out of gambling and can be assigned with financial position, but the inner mind resists.

I'm into problem gambling and I wasn't good in handling finance, which means all of the sudden I may use it for gambling hoping for positive outcome. Understanding the same I requested my girl to handle all financial needs of our life. When required I used to ask for funds. I don't know how far this works with other users.

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I think most of the gamblers are aware of better financial positions in general: If you have money to bet on, you have a way to make/generate it. It is most likely not wage but any other income options.
Would I personally trust gambler with his/her debt to me? It's complicated. I personally don't trust anyone with money, although prejudice against gamblers is a bit exaggerated. I think good gamblers would be loyal to their debts. And they wouldn't use someone other's money without a profit/reason.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on June 24, 2022, 01:53:37 PM

Its our responsibility to commit the one who is responsible and true enough to handle our savings, assets and etc. Not only gamblers who will be behind money but even a normal human would do so. We can not expect a friend who is addicted to any games to concentrate on the business we do. Its better to recruit the one who is not addicted to any games which will help both.

I think there's a slight problem in the story although the problem there was the business owner was wrong for trusting someone (I presume he doesn't know that it has a problem with gambling when trusting someone with their business) that they don't completely know.

That's why never to trust your money with someone you don't know because you never know what will happen and this is the best example about that. Money will always be the root of all evil.

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I think it's really hard to trust a gambler with your money, i had access before to some money that belong to my brother and I used it to gamble and get a profit multiple times and of course I lost half of it once and I had to find ways to give the money back, from this experience I find it hard for me to even trust myself with other people's money, so in my opinion, you can't trust a drug addict with drugs and you can't trust a gambler with your money.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 04:51:57 PM

Questions for discussion
- Are gamblers eligible to hold financial positions?
- Do problem gamblers deserve a second chance to hold a financial position?

Many gamblers do but there's always a risk of using the company's funds to sustain their addiction, that is why they are always suspected when there's an investigation when there is malversation of the funds.

And I don't think they deserve a second chance until they are totally cured of their addiction, they are a bomb waiting to explode and use the company's money so it's better not to entrust the company's position that involves financial position to protect the company and the person also

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Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 04:51:57 PM

True life Story.
A friend i know recently narrated to me how his business almost collapsed due to trust he had for another of his friends who he thought he was helping by recruiting him to manage one of his Retail outlets. He narrated how having put him in charge of that point started observing a decrease in the the profit from there intended for savings and reinvestment. He confronted him severally to know what the problem was, but his friend attributed it to being ill and needing drugs, until one faithful day when he ran into him in a betting shop during working hours betting on virtual football games, how disappointing!

Questions for discussion
- Are gamblers eligible to hold financial positions?
- Do problem gamblers deserve a second chance to hold a financial position?

As I see, gamblers doesn't have any type of important financial positions, because they can be really dangerous for the company. Your friend has had too many

trust for him, that's why he has lost too much money. I wouldn't advice a gambler to hold financial position in every type of company.

PS: Absolutely no, they doesn't deserve a second chance, because they play with money and also with human life (if an activity goes bad, personal will be fired).

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Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 04:51:57 PM

Questions for discussion
- Are gamblers eligible to hold financial positions?
- Do problem gamblers deserve a second chance to hold a financial position?

Well, in my opinion, it depends on how much money. Also, it depends on the severity level of the gambler's addiction. That is if I already have prior knowledge of his addiction. However, I wouldn't give a financial position to a gambler. It's a big no. He or she may handle financial roles where they do not have direct contact with money.

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He confronted him severally to know what the problem was, but his friend attributed it to being ill and needing drugs, until one faithful day when he ran into him in a betting shop during working hours betting on virtual football games, how disappointing!

Hey OP, I am curious to know what happened in the end. Was the gambler fired? Did his employer offer any help for his addiction?

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Quote from: MonsterV on June 24, 2022, 03:46:37 PM

If you enter into a certain partnership, with a signed contract, it should be possible. That doesn't just have to do with being a gambler, can you trust this person as a whole? Gambling naturally carries a greater risk. However, you can look at this in 2 ways. When you're in the management of a site, and the money comes in. Or viewed from the gambler's perspective. He continues to gamble and unfortunately tries to get money in different ways. Then it could be risky to trust them blindly.

Never do a business with a friend - you lose money and you lose friendship.
My father has a property his only live saving. When he sold it. His friends were after him like vultures so that he make investment where they ask him to do. Thank God my father did not listen to anyone and made some good decisions for his family. God bless his soul.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 04:51:57 PM

- Are gamblers eligible to hold financial positions?

No. The same as junkie.
Ill person shouldn't be allowed to run business or hold your money. Person can't control himself, it's a slave of it's own desires and mental illness. This is the same as to give all your saving to a parrot and let him fly away.

Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 04:51:57 PM

- Do problem gamblers deserve a second chance to hold a financial position?

Only after succesfull recovery. With medical help i mean.

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If you enter into a certain partnership, with a signed contract, it should be possible. That doesn't just have to do with being a gambler, can you trust this person as a whole? Gambling naturally carries a greater risk. However, you can look at this in 2 ways. When you're in the management of a site, and the money comes in. Or viewed from the gambler's perspective. He continues to gamble and unfortunately tries to get money in different ways. Then it could be risky to trust them blindly.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on June 23, 2022, 04:51:57 PM

True life Story.
A friend i know recently narrated to me how his business almost collapsed due to trust he had for another of his friends who he thought he was helping by recruiting him to manage one of his Retail outlets. He narrated how having put him in charge of that point started observing a decrease in the the profit from there intended for savings and reinvestment. He confronted him severally to know what the problem was, but his friend attributed it to being ill and needing drugs, until one faithful day when he ran into him in a betting shop during working hours betting on virtual football games, how disappointing!

Questions for discussion
- Are gamblers eligible to hold financial positions?
- Do problem gamblers deserve a second chance to hold a financial position?

The way you've explained it seems to be backwards, if your friend had known about the gambling problem then it's likely they would have taken a different stance. I don't think it's right to give someone who has an active gambling problem a financial position in a company, however people with such problems will often go to great lengths to hide it. Even if they don't actively start out with ill intentions, they likely have a problem with self control and cannot understand the odds they are facing. So no, gamblers should not be allowed near financial positions or you create very dangerous situations for a company and potentially put a lot of jobs at risk. They definitely deserve a second chance but should be open and be willing to prove that they do not have an active problem.

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This is extremely ironic. Since, everyone here has likely put their trust in a gambler. Have you used a bank? Effectively, they're gambling. It's just called investments rather than gambling. Just imagine, a business where you don't use your money, and therefore you mitigate the risk of you losing, but you use the money of your clients to gamble, to earn you profit. That sounds like it would be hard to convince your clients to do that right? Alright, offer them interest on their deposited money, the more they deposit, the more they earn in interest. The more money we have to reinvest, and make money.

This is exactly how banks work. This is exactly the reason why you shouldn't trust a gambler or investor whatever name you want to give them, with your money. It should be the one of reasons, you use Bitcoin today.

Quite frankly, and don't think this the wrong way. I wouldn't trust any of you with my money, and neither should you trust me. If you have to trust someone with money, make sure it's as small of an amount as possible. Hence why normally there are trustee's in businesses, and any one holding money for the business or whatever, doesn't have access to all the funds, but a share of it.

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In my opinion we can't judge every gamblers based in someone's mistake. You must have discernment to identify if the person you are hiring is capable or not in every aspects for the aimed spot. I've met gamblers who were very responsible and honest with their appointments and people around them. Without any doubts I would trust them with my money and savings.

On the other hand, there are many considered "normal" people who I wouldn't trust with a single penny...

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Quote from: dataispower on June 24, 2022, 11:10:52 AM

Quote from: 3meek on June 24, 2022, 11:02:27 AM

If a person has any kind of addiction, whether it's drugs, alcohol or gambling, he cannot be trusted at all... It's a psychological disorder, and it's a long time since the nice guy you knew before... All the more reason not to trust such a person with money or valuables... There have already been many examples of people degraded by bad habits...

gambling is not psychological disorder because it is a competition that earns money which whenever it happens money involved so I would like to say that addiction of alcohol will contribute to psychological disorder why addition in Ros can also contribute for psychological disorder because the function is limited like function of gambling gambling is just to a process of getting money from another person due to arguments and prove so I don't think that it can cause disorder but it will make you to lose whatever thing you have if you are totally addicted to it.

There are really people who are really good on controlling various things specially if this one is attached to them neither or in short as a hobby on where they could easily control when they are on their own day jobs or something doesnt really involved on what they are doing outside.I do agree on what others been saying that people are way just too judgmental when it comes to certain things or conditions where they do generalize that once a gambler would be always a gambler and the things will really get involved will really be attached to it which is really a very wrong impression or mindset to have because once you do put up into your mind
in terms of judgement of things then you are a certain person whom can really be called to be perfectionist which we know that its really a bad kind trait to have.

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If I recall very well, I have seen a similar thread on this board but it was in a different context, that one was asking opinions on if you would employ a gambler in an accounting department in a company, I think there are some common messages between the two.
I wouldn't allow a gambler to come close to my business talk more of trusting him with any, we are friends and I'm cool with it and any other activities can join us together but not with business because a time will come when he may feel the heat and will divert my money to ease his loss which he may not likely win back and my business will suffer for his wrong moves.

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Its our responsibility to commit the one who is responsible and true enough to handle our savings, assets and etc. Not only gamblers who will be behind money but even a normal human would do so. We can not expect a friend who is addicted to any games to concentrate on the business we do. Its better to recruit the one who is not addicted to any games which will help both.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on June 24, 2022, 11:22:07 AM

I feel like this question is impossible to answer like many similar ones. For instance, can you trust a former convict, can you trust a drug addict, can you trust a former thief, can you trust your former girlfriend who cheated on you...?
Some will still be stealing and cheating, some will not. A thief who stole once doesn't have to be a thief all his life. People change. A gambler can still be a good worker, or he can be stealing from his boss, you can never know for sure.

People could really change but there were people who are really that too judging out others somethings like they were also perfect on where they do have those impressions that do remain forever.
I know that it isnt really right to give out those kind of fixed views and impressions but you cant really stop people on having those kind of thinking specially on other people who do have some
bad past or current history in terms of addiction or committing some crimes or something like that and this is where it cant really be avoided that even if you do know with the slightest hint
or information about him then doubts and anxiety would really be next in line.I cant blame them though but giving out second chance is something ideal.

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