Capitalism vs. Socialism - Make your argument here. - page 4.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 08:47:14 AM

There is also a long historical record of Communism being harmful. I love how you dismiss the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy of "it's not real Communism", then immediately proceed to rephrase the same argument.

I'm very sorry you consider changing the condition the same as doing repetedly the same thing.

Probably linked to your lack of scientifical knowledge.

If every time it fails, you make an hypothesis on why it fails and you chenge it, there is no reason it will fail.

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 13, 2019, 08:33:43 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 08:28:54 AM

It is a perfect metaphor. Doing cocaine makes you feel great. Why don't people do cocaine all day every day then? Oh right, because that is not a viable long term strategy for living.

Yeah but we can prove that cocaine is harmful to the body. See the difference?

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on June 13, 2019, 08:25:23 AM

Yet we have never seen a communist country that didn't eventually hit the pavement.

Stupid argument at the same level than the "it's not real communism"

Because it failed before it can't succeed in the future? Guess you never heard of changing the conditions in a scientific study then.

There is also a long historical record of Communism being harmful. I love how you dismiss the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy of "it's not real Communism", then immediately proceed to rephrase the same argument.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 08:28:54 AM

It is a perfect metaphor. Doing cocaine makes you feel great. Why don't people do cocaine all day every day then? Oh right, because that is not a viable long term strategy for living.

Yeah but we can prove that cocaine is harmful to the body. See the difference?

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on June 13, 2019, 08:25:23 AM

Yet we have never seen a communist country that didn't eventually hit the pavement.

Stupid argument at the same level than the "it's not real communism"

Because it failed before it can't succeed in the future? Guess you never heard of changing the conditions in a scientific study then.

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 13, 2019, 07:56:55 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 07:53:23 AM

No, that's called not just blindly believing anything that calls itself a study. All that is is a collection of cherry picked metrics and massaged statistics leaving out lots of very relevant information. Furthermore it is from a snapshot in time just before massive failures in these modern forms of Socialism/Communism. It would be akin to throwing you off a building, taking a picture, and saying look its ok, see, he can fly. You are still going to eventually hit the pavement regardless of the fact of the picture of you in mid air.

Funny you use this metaphore a lot but the good thing is that it ends every possible argument.

"oh no it's not working, it's just working temporaly before it fails"

Yeah thanks dude, great argument really.

It is a perfect metaphor. Doing cocaine makes you feel great. Why don't people do cocaine all day every day then? Oh right, because that is not a viable long term strategy for living.

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Quote from: coins4commies on May 15, 2019, 09:39:46 PM

I'll leave this here even though anyone who believes in actual research already rejects capitalism.

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In 28 of 30 comparisons between
countries at similar levels of economic development, socialist countries showed more favorable PQL (physical quality of life) outcomes.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.76.6.661

Where is this quote from?
It is not found anywhere on the link you provided.
Nor can I see anything like it there.

Quote from: mOgliE on June 13, 2019, 07:56:55 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 07:53:23 AM

No, that's called not just blindly believing anything that calls itself a study. All that is is a collection of cherry picked metrics and massaged statistics leaving out lots of very relevant information. Furthermore it is from a snapshot in time just before massive failures in these modern forms of Socialism/Communism. It would be akin to throwing you off a building, taking a picture, and saying look its ok, see, he can fly. You are still going to eventually hit the pavement regardless of the fact of the picture of you in mid air.

Funny you use this metaphore a lot but the good thing is that it ends every possible argument.

"oh no it's not working, it's just working temporaly before it fails"

Yeah thanks dude, great argument really.

Yet we have never seen a communist country that didn't eventually hit the pavement.

mOgliE

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 07:53:23 AM

No, that's called not just blindly believing anything that calls itself a study. All that is is a collection of cherry picked metrics and massaged statistics leaving out lots of very relevant information. Furthermore it is from a snapshot in time just before massive failures in these modern forms of Socialism/Communism. It would be akin to throwing you off a building, taking a picture, and saying look its ok, see, he can fly. You are still going to eventually hit the pavement regardless of the fact of the picture of you in mid air.

Funny you use this metaphore a lot but the good thing is that it ends every possible argument.

"oh no it's not working, it's just working temporaly before it fails"

Yeah thanks dude, great argument really.

TECSHARE

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 13, 2019, 03:10:38 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 02:41:09 AM

Well, that is a very impressive 33 year old cherry picked study. You know its relevant when it is still referencing East Germany. Have any studies that are maybe created after the internet?

Well we both know you would never accept any fact that goes against your agenda right?

I've never seen you accept anything unless it goes your way 100%.

That's what you call fanatism. I can see the good sides of capitalism but you never accepted any pro of socialism or communism. That's what you call brainwashing dude Wink

No, that's called not just blindly believing anything that calls itself a study. All that is is a collection of cherry picked metrics and massaged statistics leaving out lots of very relevant information. Furthermore it is from a snapshot in time just before massive failures in these modern forms of Socialism/Communism. It would be akin to throwing you off a building, taking a picture, and saying look its ok, see, he can fly. You are still going to eventually hit the pavement regardless of the fact of the picture of you in mid air.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 13, 2019, 02:41:09 AM

Well, that is a very impressive 33 year old cherry picked study. You know its relevant when it is still referencing East Germany. Have any studies that are maybe created after the internet?

Well we both know you would never accept any fact that goes against your agenda right?

I've never seen you accept anything unless it goes your way 100%.

That's what you call fanatism. I can see the good sides of capitalism but you never accepted any pro of socialism or communism. That's what you call brainwashing dude Wink

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Quote from: coins4commies on May 15, 2019, 09:39:46 PM

I'll leave this here even though anyone who believes in actual research already rejects capitalism.

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In 28 of 30 comparisons between
countries at similar levels of economic development, socialist countries showed more favorable PQL (physical quality of life) outcomes.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.76.6.661

Well, that is a very impressive 33 year old cherry picked study. You know its relevant when it is still referencing East Germany. Have any studies that are maybe created after the internet?

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I'll leave this here even though anyone who believes in actual research already rejects capitalism.

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In 28 of 30 comparisons between
countries at similar levels of economic development, socialist countries showed more favorable PQL (physical quality of life) outcomes.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.76.6.661

okala

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Well the society have always been about class struggle and both socialism and capitalism are one coin with two faces it all about name and if you look critically you will know that the nature of capitalism is about ownership of property and socialist is also with the same ideology but just that citizens owns the means of production.

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in socialism there is also capitalism, there was hate between socialists and nonsocialists because of the controll of the accepted financial system

people never get enough money and power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ruble

capitalism is root of evil and good, but capitalism divides society in poor and rich.

those around the issuing financial centre are the winners and kings,

those financially illeterate are the labour gulag

in the usa these people are the rednecks the white trash and the hut rats.

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I would add just one point on top of all these arguments which were posted earlier.

In reality, there are no 100% pure capitalist countries and 100% pure socialist countries in existence. Even the so called socialist nations such as Cuba and North Korea now allows private ownership of property and private business ventures. If you take the case of the so called "capitalist" nations such as the United States, then you can see that socialist ideas such as affirmative action have been included in the laws.

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In the country where I live, it has a socialism, a communism, a truth is a disaster and every day it seems a nightmare, because only less than 20 people in power have been totally destroyed and without a future in a country, if they gave me choose between socialism or capitalism, choose the wildest capitalism that exists, because the professional will always have all the options to have a life that he deserves due to his effort and dedication.

Capitalism allows you to work hard, has good money, is necessary to live and cover your basic needs, socialism is not, if you work 24 hours a day you can not be able to eat, people who have to look for jobs that escape the normal laws of traditional economy, socialize power, capitalism is not made for lazy people that the socialist system, where they worship the rulers and earn a mouthful of food.

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Quote from: Indamuck on May 08, 2019, 11:41:18 AM

Quote from: Airbuxf on May 08, 2019, 09:44:08 AM

In my opinon, most important capitalism's advantage against socialism there is more effective economy. In long term it means that capitalistic countries develop much faster, people have there higher standard of living etc.

High standard of living? You may want to go on youtube and see how homeless people are living in Los Angeles, Seattle, and Portland. If you didn't know any better you would think it was some 3rd world country in Africa.

The socialist countries in Europe seem to be doing much better for the lower class.

Interesting you pick the most Socialist areas of the USA as an example of Capitalism...

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Quote from: Airbuxf on May 08, 2019, 09:44:08 AM

In my opinon, most important capitalism's advantage against socialism there is more effective economy. In long term it means that capitalistic countries develop much faster, people have there higher standard of living etc.

High standard of living? You may want to go on youtube and see how homeless people are living in Los Angeles, Seattle, and Portland. If you didn't know any better you would think it was some 3rd world country in Africa.

The socialist countries in Europe seem to be doing much better for the lower class.

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In my opinon, most important capitalism's advantage against socialism there is more effective economy. In long term it means that capitalistic countries develop much faster, people have there higher standard of living etc.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on May 07, 2019, 08:54:55 PM

Quote from: okala on May 07, 2019, 10:42:14 AM

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Quote from: haseeb ahmed on May 07, 2019, 07:01:49 AM

i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.

Capitalism isn't really about working hard, its about ownership. That is the real path to obtaining wealth. Working for a salary will never compete with capital. Money makes money faster than you can even spend it.

Capitalism is pourly base on profits maximizing and at that ownership is in the central door way of capitalism. This economic system is base on private ownership but the state playing the regulation role and at the same time go into state overall ownership of all property but leaving it in the hands on individuals. But socialism on the other hand is full ownership of means of production by the state.

capitalism works for the capitalists,

those that are in the core of the system (central bank) always win because they just invest.

regards

when government own every thing than its necessary for the country that their leaders must be honest otherwise they become kings and rule for years, so in that scenario capitalism works

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Quote from: BitBustah on May 07, 2019, 07:40:33 AM

Quote from: haseeb ahmed on May 07, 2019, 07:01:49 AM

i support both in some context. i think every single human being has right to get food, shelter, education and health related facilities but one who is working hard and giving day and night to work should get more money, more perks and privileges and better standard of life.

Capitalism isn't really about working hard, its about ownership. That is the real path to obtaining wealth. Working for a salary will never compete with capital. Money makes money faster than you can even spend it.

you are right capitalist is all about ownership but to get ownership you need brain, luck and hardworking

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Quote from: KingScorpio on May 07, 2019, 08:54:55 PM

capitalism works for the capitalists,

That's quite true.

Quote from: KingScorpio on May 07, 2019, 08:54:55 PM

those that are in the core of the system (central bank) always win because they just invest.

Again, true. Like my bother who's a VP at one of those banks, he does quite well for himself. Not bad for the son of an immigrant who showed up in the US with $35 in his pocket. My parents had nothing when they came here, and before my dad died they had raised four educated, professional children, and owned a house and a commercial property in one of the most affluent counties in the country.

Nobody gave it to any of them. Not my parents, not my brother. They had to work their asses off for it. Opportunities don't exist in socialism, but they are plentiful in capitalism. So yes, capitalism most definitely works for capitalists.

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