It doesn't whether you have a "President of the US" or "Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR". As well it doesn't matter how many political parties do you have. Because borrowing money from the central bank is independent of such irrelevant things.
In fact, it is always like taking a cocaine dose: you have a short euphoria and sense that you can quit this in any moment. But in practise you're getting loans again and again, until you're coming to getting loans just to pay interest for your previous loans.
Topic: Capitalism vs. Socialism - Make your argument here. - page 8. (Read 21323 times)
Communism didn't fail because people were lazy, it failed because it became a dictatorship.
It failed because the government decided to solve all everyday issues by simply printing unbacked money. Since 1960s, the USSR council of ministers practiced a massive subsidizing of the economy through limitless enlargement of its debt to central bank. Much like the US government is doing right now.
Lazyness is a simplistic stupid myth of the typical old right winger trying to claim that young people and hippies are lazy assholes...
Nope, the lazyness is real. Just think about that: why bother doing anything when you can borrow some trillion from the central bank. Two systems with different agenda but plagued by the same practice.
I haven't read all of this thread, but has anybody pointed out that you can't have capitalism without capital? The US has lost most of it capital - it has gone to foreign investors and into the overseas trusts set up in tax havens. Most of the national assets have been removed from the country, and replaced with a massive debt mountain. This has turned the US into a communist country ruled by an unelected politbureau, and it is well underway with creating slavery in its population, and the forced acquisition of countries with a different political structure, and assets that are worth stealing.
Socialism doesn't work, because people are lazy and abusing the system.
Capitalism doesn't work, because people are lazy and abusing the system.
Capitalism doesn't work, because people are lazy and abusing the system.
You understand that lazyness has nothing to do with both systems?
Communism didn't fail because people were lazy, it failed because it became a dictatorship. Capitalism isn't failing because people are lazy, it is failing because in his very basic idea it will always lead to an increase of inequality. And when growth is no longer there to compensate those inequalities, it becomes pure theft.
Lazyness is a simplistic stupid myth of the typical old right winger trying to claim that young people and hippies are lazy assholes...
Socialism doesn't work, because people are lazy and abusing the system.
Capitalism doesn't work, because people are lazy and abusing the system.
Neither of these approaches is acceptable, and neither of them can exist without oppression.
Capitalism doesn't work, because people are lazy and abusing the system.
Neither of these approaches is acceptable, and neither of them can exist without oppression.
And how do you prevent big companies to use their money as leverage and lobby to corrupt your government and create regulations in their favor? :/
With representative democracy, socialism or capitalism is all the same. It leads to concentrate the power in few hands, them being corporations in capitalism and government members in socialism.
The end doesn't change, though capitalism takes longer I'd say.
With representative democracy, socialism or capitalism is all the same. It leads to concentrate the power in few hands, them being corporations in capitalism and government members in socialism.
The end doesn't change, though capitalism takes longer I'd say.
Notice that the common factor in all the different systems you're talking about is state power. The state, and the corruption it attracts, is the problem, not capitalism or communism.
The inefficiencies created by bureaucratic bloat are destructive to any system as well.
The argument for Capitalism is in the results we are experiencing in quality of life right now.
Both capitalism and socialism are made to enslave ppl. There is allways elite who rules and slaves who do what they are forced to with laws, monetary system etc. Before we make sort of revolution, throw elites down and implement direct democraty most of us will stay slaves.
exactly socialism is effectively just a different form of capitalism, with different people.
there would have been not much difference if the soviet union would have won the cold war.
the soviet union was effektively just a landlocked united states.
they also had capitalists and workers
regards
And how do you prevent big companies to use their money as leverage and lobby to corrupt your government and create regulations in their favor? :/
With representative democracy, socialism or capitalism is all the same. It leads to concentrate the power in few hands, them being corporations in capitalism and government members in socialism.
The end doesn't change, though capitalism takes longer I'd say.
With representative democracy, socialism or capitalism is all the same. It leads to concentrate the power in few hands, them being corporations in capitalism and government members in socialism.
The end doesn't change, though capitalism takes longer I'd say.
Notice that the common factor in all the different systems you're talking about is state power. The state, and the corruption it attracts, is the problem, not capitalism or communism.
The inefficiencies created by bureaucratic bloat are destructive to any system as well.
The argument for Capitalism is in the results we are experiencing in quality of life right now.
Both capitalism and socialism are made to enslave ppl. There is allways elite who rules and slaves who do what they are forced to with laws, monetary system etc. Before we make sort of revolution, throw elites down and implement direct democraty most of us will stay slaves.
Actually, both socialism and capitalism have been made to free people.
The family is the main and basic socialistic unit. The family is made to have children, to free their souls from the slavery of not having a body to operate in.
Then, after the kids grow up, they get into capitalism so they can afford a spouse, so that they can get into socialism, and free some more souls by giving more child-souls bodies.
And the cycle goes on.
Only greedy people don't want to do their fair share in freeing bodiless souls by getting together with a spouse and making babies.
Both capitalism and socialism are made to enslave ppl. There is allways elite who rules and slaves who do what they are forced to with laws, monetary system etc. Before we make sort of revolution, throw elites down and implement direct democraty most of us will stay slaves.
These ideologies are tools. Under certain circumstances they can be harmful. They can both be exploited, but Socialism does not create anything on its own, it requires Capitalism to exist. Also Socialism was created by Capitalists as a wealth extraction tool to harvest nations of resources anyway, so the point is somewhat moot.
Both capitalism and socialism are made to enslave ppl. There is allways elite who rules and slaves who do what they are forced to with laws, monetary system etc. Before we make sort of revolution, throw elites down and implement direct democraty most of us will stay slaves.
^^^ I tried seeing some unicorns, but then I realized they were Walt Disney cartoon characters.
^see socialist libertarianism, democratic socialism, market socialism, anarcho-communism, or democratic confederalism.
Those critiques and almost all other are against state socialism, authoritarianism, command economies and large-scale centralized ownership.
Those critiques and almost all other are against state socialism, authoritarianism, command economies and large-scale centralized ownership.
Also unicorns, see unicorns.
^see socialist libertarianism, democratic socialism, market socialism, anarcho-communism, or democratic confederalism.
Those critiques and almost all other are against state socialism, authoritarianism, command economies and large-scale centralized ownership.
Those critiques and almost all other are against state socialism, authoritarianism, command economies and large-scale centralized ownership.
Everyone should read this book (free download), and debunk socialism to what it really is: Coercion.
The main key point of socialist economies, is to force people do things they naturally don't want to.
Freedom leads to free market economies, and better quality of life to everyone, especially the poor.
Once you read this book, you will never fall for socialist lies ever again.
https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis
Quote from: https://mises.org/
Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
Ludwig von Mises’s Socialism is the most important critical examination of socialism ever written.
Socialism is most famous for Mises’s penetrating economic calculation argument. The book contains much more however. Mises not only shows the impossibility of socialism: he defends capitalism against the main arguments socialists and other critics have raised against it. A centrally planned system cannot substitute some other form of economic calculation for market prices, because no such alternative exists. Capitalism is true economic democracy.
Socialism addresses the contemporary issues of economic inequality and argues that wealth can exist for long periods only to the extent that wealthy producers succeed in satisfying the consumers. Mises shows that there is no tendency to monopoly in a free market system.
Mises analyzes reform measures, such as social security and labor legislation, which in fact serve to impede the efforts of the capitalist system to serve the masses.
Socialism is a veritable encyclopedia of vital topics in the social sciences, all analyzed with Mises’s unique combination of historical erudition and penetrating insight.
Ludwig von Mises’s Socialism is the most important critical examination of socialism ever written.
Socialism is most famous for Mises’s penetrating economic calculation argument. The book contains much more however. Mises not only shows the impossibility of socialism: he defends capitalism against the main arguments socialists and other critics have raised against it. A centrally planned system cannot substitute some other form of economic calculation for market prices, because no such alternative exists. Capitalism is true economic democracy.
Socialism addresses the contemporary issues of economic inequality and argues that wealth can exist for long periods only to the extent that wealthy producers succeed in satisfying the consumers. Mises shows that there is no tendency to monopoly in a free market system.
Mises analyzes reform measures, such as social security and labor legislation, which in fact serve to impede the efforts of the capitalist system to serve the masses.
Socialism is a veritable encyclopedia of vital topics in the social sciences, all analyzed with Mises’s unique combination of historical erudition and penetrating insight.
The main key point of socialist economies, is to force people do things they naturally don't want to.
Freedom leads to free market economies, and better quality of life to everyone, especially the poor.
Once you read this book, you will never fall for socialist lies ever again.
https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis
i am actually fine with both, socialism and capitalism,
in socialism there is also capitalism, but a social one, instead of private bankers like in the usa that privately enrich themselves in socialism there are directorates, that act as capitalists in the economy. they are in general richer than the average population, and the population has to trust them.
the usa has only a successful capitalism, because of successful psychological tricks, global domination, keeping the world to still use the us dollar.
the usa has a very ineffective economy.
regards
in socialism there is also capitalism, but a social one, instead of private bankers like in the usa that privately enrich themselves in socialism there are directorates, that act as capitalists in the economy. they are in general richer than the average population, and the population has to trust them.
the usa has only a successful capitalism, because of successful psychological tricks, global domination, keeping the world to still use the us dollar.
the usa has a very ineffective economy.
regards
For me, socialism sounds good but doesn't work and capitalism sounds horrible but works. There is no single country on earth that practice socialism, not even the U.S.S.R was under socialism. Well perhaps Cuba and Moldovia and still they have lots of capitalism stuff
Capitalism work beautifully. To illustrate how capitalism is working itself towards its ultimate forthcoming success, look at these interesting statistics from Oxfam, a development charity:
In 2016 the number of billionaires owning as much wealth as half the world’s population were 61
In 2017 the number of billionaires owning as much wealth as half the world’s population were 43 - a drop of 29,5%
In 2018 the number of billionaires owning as much wealth as half the world’s population were 26 - a further drop of 39,5%
I predict in the 2020 report we are probably going to see top billionaires in the vicinity of maybe 12.87 - a drop of 49,5%
* for argument sake I shall round the 12.87 top billionaires to a nice round 13, so I will stand with this number for this year (2019)
It is truly remarkable to see the centralizing beauty of capitalism in action.
Indeed these billionaires work 100000x harder than these lowly peasants. They totally deserve that wealth
sarcasm
How the fuck do you think capital is created dipshit?
Sorry I don't answer to question that makes absolutely no sense.
Especially when they're so polite
It is truly remarkable to see the centralizing beauty of capitalism in action.
And yet they manage to convince millions of people that capitalism is all about work...
How the fuck do you think capital is created dipshit?
It is truly remarkable to see the centralizing beauty of capitalism in action.
And yet they manage to convince millions of people that capitalism is all about work...
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