Casimero vs Rigondeaux this August 14, 2021

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Quote from: chaser15 on August 20, 2021, 08:18:05 PM

The discussion is now getting out of hand. It's now turning into another topic.

Since the fight was already over for about a week now, it's time now to close the thread. There are other threads related to some discussion here where we can continue the discussion.

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Thanks for the reminder, yes, we have had enough conversation about the topic, and with that said, this thread is now locked.

Everyone, thank you for joining the discussion, may we see the next fight of Casimero soon and Rigo will retire soon as well. Grin

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The discussion is now getting out of hand. It's now turning into another topic.

Since the fight was already over for about a week now, it's time now to close the thread. There are other threads related to some discussion here where we can continue the discussion.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 18, 2021, 08:51:46 PM

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 18, 2021, 04:34:46 PM

Donaire does not throw a lot of punches, he is just looking for good timing to counter and if he hurt his opponent, that's when he attacks aggressively. We saw Inoue struggled in the first few rounds of their fight, but he adjusted, and eventually, Donaire was gas out as he cannot take down an opponent that he usually does when he hit them with clean shots.

I agree with this ^^. That is why Casimero has the edge IMO if the two will meet in the ring soon because Casimero throws more punches than him and is a little bit quicker and can take hard punches too, have seen that many times in his career. I have observed also that most of the opponents that Donaire KOed were smaller than him like Montiel and Arce and he is having a hard time with opponents bigger or who have the same physic as him.

Yes, that's true, I hear a lot of Donaire's interview and he always emphasized that timing is the key to his victory. We have seen it throughout his careers defining knockout, Montiel, Darchy and Arce. But he can banged as well. I forgot the name of the rugged Mexican opponent of his, he gave everything Donaire can handle, even busted Donaire's both eyes, but Donaire survived that fight. It has the same physic or even bigger than Donaire.

Donaire does not look strong if we look at his body, but he only got KO once in his career and that is when he tries to go up in weight against the "Axe Man" Nicholas Walters. His other losses are from the decision and usually, he loses in UD since he does not throw a lot of punches.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 18, 2021, 06:06:15 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on August 18, 2021, 04:34:46 PM

Donaire does not throw a lot of punches, he is just looking for good timing to counter and if he hurt his opponent, that's when he attacks aggressively. We saw Inoue struggled in the first few rounds of their fight, but he adjusted, and eventually, Donaire was gas out as he cannot take down an opponent that he usually does when he hit them with clean shots.

I agree with this ^^. That is why Casimero has the edge IMO if the two will meet in the ring soon because Casimero throws more punches than him and is a little bit quicker and can take hard punches too, have seen that many times in his career. I have observed also that most of the opponents that Donaire KOed were smaller than him like Montiel and Arce and he is having a hard time with opponents bigger or who have the same physic as him.

Yes, that's true, I hear a lot of Donaire's interview and he always emphasized that timing is the key to his victory. We have seen it throughout his careers defining knockout, Montiel, Darchy and Arce. But he can banged as well. I forgot the name of the rugged Mexican opponent of his, he gave everything Donaire can handle, even busted Donaire's both eyes, but Donaire survived that fight. It has the same physic or even bigger than Donaire.

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Quote from: lienfaye on August 18, 2021, 06:16:39 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on August 18, 2021, 06:06:15 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on August 18, 2021, 04:34:46 PM

Donaire does not throw a lot of punches, he is just looking for good timing to counter and if he hurt his opponent, that's when he attacks aggressively. We saw Inoue struggled in the first few rounds of their fight, but he adjusted, and eventually, Donaire was gas out as he cannot take down an opponent that he usually does when he hit them with clean shots.

I agree with this ^^. That is why Casimero has the edge IMO if the two will meet in the ring soon because Casimero throws more punches than him and is a little bit quicker and can take hard punches too, have seen that many times in his career. I have observed also that most of the opponents that Donaire KOed were smaller than him like Montiel and Arce and he is having a hard time with opponents bigger or who have the same physic as him.

Thats true, if Casimero fight Inoue there's a chance that he might win since they are both agressive and strong to take punches. He just need to condition himself and use another technique that he never did in his previous fight to surprise his opponent. Because most likely they already study his moves and how he attack, so new strategy would be an edge for him. I hope Casimero vs Inoue will happen soon.

Do the team of Inoue did really make out some good observation on how Casimero fights speaking that it isnt really that much that entertaining and not really a belt to belt kind of fight.
Its true that Casimero could really give out some toe to toe fight with Inoue but i doubt that Inoue would really be falling for that but lets see if Casimero could really withstand those solid hits
that would come from Inoue.They should really be making some strategy that other teams/boxers that havent seen before and make some surprise.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 18, 2021, 06:06:15 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on August 18, 2021, 04:34:46 PM

Donaire does not throw a lot of punches, he is just looking for good timing to counter and if he hurt his opponent, that's when he attacks aggressively. We saw Inoue struggled in the first few rounds of their fight, but he adjusted, and eventually, Donaire was gas out as he cannot take down an opponent that he usually does when he hit them with clean shots.

I agree with this ^^. That is why Casimero has the edge IMO if the two will meet in the ring soon because Casimero throws more punches than him and is a little bit quicker and can take hard punches too, have seen that many times in his career. I have observed also that most of the opponents that Donaire KOed were smaller than him like Montiel and Arce and he is having a hard time with opponents bigger or who have the same physic as him.

Thats true, if Casimero fight Inoue there's a chance that he might win since they are both agressive and strong to take punches. He just need to condition himself and use another technique that he never did in his previous fight to surprise his opponent. Because most likely they already study his moves and how he attack, so new strategy would be an edge for him. I hope Casimero vs Inoue will happen soon.

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Quote from: peter0425 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:47 AM

Donaire is already in His late years meaning improvements are far from happening if he will be facing Inoue as the japanese boxer is too young and has a lot of future while Nonito is nearing retirement .
i think he can try fighting but the chance of winning back from his past lose to this fighter .
maybe let us try waiting for Casinero to face him and be judge for what to happen.

It's likely that there will be Casimero and Donaire, with the noise it creates for these two fighters. This might be the one to be pushed.
But if not, anyone who wants to fight Inoue, the guy is ready fight any of them so that's also another good fight wait.

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 18, 2021, 04:34:46 PM

Donaire does not throw a lot of punches, he is just looking for good timing to counter and if he hurt his opponent, that's when he attacks aggressively. We saw Inoue struggled in the first few rounds of their fight, but he adjusted, and eventually, Donaire was gas out as he cannot take down an opponent that he usually does when he hit them with clean shots.

I agree with this ^^. That is why Casimero has the edge IMO if the two will meet in the ring soon because Casimero throws more punches than him and is a little bit quicker and can take hard punches too, have seen that many times in his career. I have observed also that most of the opponents that Donaire KOed were smaller than him like Montiel and Arce and he is having a hard time with opponents bigger or who have the same physic as him.

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 18, 2021, 04:34:46 PM

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Donaire is already in His late years meaning improvements are far from happening if he will be facing Inoue as the japanese boxer is too young and has a lot of future while Nonito is nearing retirement .

although you have a point that he is already old and would probably have a hard improving but seeing his recent performance I'd say he has improved a lot and have a chance of winning against Inoue. but then again this is just my opinion.

Donaire had some trouble with fighters who move well on the floor, just like what we saw in his fight against Rigo and Inoue, he loses in the fight. We were just hype because he KO an opponent which not really at par with Inoue and Rigo, but still this rematch is quite interesting so let's see if this time he will shock the world or maybe he will not be able to survive anymore.

Power is just one on taking down on an opponent but that wont really be that effective if the opponent is way too moving or really have some good footwork and who do know on how to move.

I had that kind of observation too when it comes on how they do move well and he had really some hard time on taking effective heavy blows or counter punches.
Each boxer does have their own style and Rigo is included into those who do really love running. Cheesy

Donaire does not throw a lot of punches, he is just looking for good timing to counter and if he hurt his opponent, that's when he attacks aggressively. We saw Inoue struggled in the first few rounds of their fight, but he adjusted, and eventually, Donaire was gas out as he cannot take down an opponent that he usually does when he hit them with clean shots.

That's his style, that's why he can't go up in weight because if he can't KO his opponent, he will be the one that will be KO or will lose in the decision.

as we can see in his record, (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/48243), most of his wins are via KO, and since he is not getting any younger, he might just be gas out if the fight will last longer.

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Quote from: peter0425 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:47 AM

Donaire is already in His late years meaning improvements are far from happening if he will be facing Inoue as the japanese boxer is too young and has a lot of future while Nonito is nearing retirement .

although you have a point that he is already old and would probably have a hard improving but seeing his recent performance I'd say he has improved a lot and have a chance of winning against Inoue. but then again this is just my opinion.

Donaire had some trouble with fighters who move well on the floor, just like what we saw in his fight against Rigo and Inoue, he loses in the fight. We were just hype because he KO an opponent which not really at par with Inoue and Rigo, but still this rematch is quite interesting so let's see if this time he will shock the world or maybe he will not be able to survive anymore.

Power is just one on taking down on an opponent but that wont really be that effective if the opponent is way too moving or really have some good footwork and who do know on how to move.

I had that kind of observation too when it comes on how they do move well and he had really some hard time on taking effective heavy blows or counter punches.
Each boxer does have their own style and Rigo is included into those who do really love running. Cheesy

Donaire does not throw a lot of punches, he is just looking for good timing to counter and if he hurt his opponent, that's when he attacks aggressively. We saw Inoue struggled in the first few rounds of their fight, but he adjusted, and eventually, Donaire was gas out as he cannot take down an opponent that he usually does when he hit them with clean shots.

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Quote from: Botnake on August 18, 2021, 04:19:54 PM

Quote from: acroman08 on August 18, 2021, 10:37:10 AM

Quote from: peter0425 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:47 AM

Donaire is already in His late years meaning improvements are far from happening if he will be facing Inoue as the japanese boxer is too young and has a lot of future while Nonito is nearing retirement .

although you have a point that he is already old and would probably have a hard improving but seeing his recent performance I'd say he has improved a lot and have a chance of winning against Inoue. but then again this is just my opinion.

Donaire had some trouble with fighters who move well on the floor, just like what we saw in his fight against Rigo and Inoue, he loses in the fight. We were just hype because he KO an opponent which not really at par with Inoue and Rigo, but still this rematch is quite interesting so let's see if this time he will shock the world or maybe he will not be able to survive anymore.

Power is just one on taking down on an opponent but that wont really be that effective if the opponent is way too moving or really have some good footwork and who do know on how to move.

I had that kind of observation too when it comes on how they do move well and he had really some hard time on taking effective heavy blows or counter punches.
Each boxer does have their own style and Rigo is included into those who do really love running. Cheesy

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 18, 2021, 10:37:10 AM

Quote from: peter0425 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:47 AM

Donaire is already in His late years meaning improvements are far from happening if he will be facing Inoue as the japanese boxer is too young and has a lot of future while Nonito is nearing retirement .

although you have a point that he is already old and would probably have a hard improving but seeing his recent performance I'd say he has improved a lot and have a chance of winning against Inoue. but then again this is just my opinion.

Donaire had some trouble with fighters who move well on the floor, just like what we saw in his fight against Rigo and Inoue, he loses in the fight. We were just hype because he KO an opponent which not really at par with Inoue and Rigo, but still this rematch is quite interesting so let's see if this time he will shock the world or maybe he will not be able to survive anymore.

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Quote from: peter0425 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:47 AM

Donaire is already in His late years meaning improvements are far from happening if he will be facing Inoue as the japanese boxer is too young and has a lot of future while Nonito is nearing retirement .

although you have a point that he is already old and would probably have a hard improving but seeing his recent performance I'd say he has improved a lot and have a chance of winning against Inoue. but then again this is just my opinion.

Quote from: peter0425 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:47 AM

maybe let us try waiting for Casinero to face him and be judge for what to happen.

yeah, both of them are in their prime, and watching this two would be great. also, Casimero won his seven previous fights(five of which are title bouts) so I am certain that he has a clear chance to fight Inoue.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 18, 2021, 09:05:04 AM

Why not though? Donaire is the only fighter that give Inoue one hell of a fight, maybe you forgot that the last time they meet, Donaire broke Inoue's orbital bone. So he was close to defeating Inoue in my opinion. If he could have start early and hit Inoue with powerful left then maybe it could have a different outcome.

The final score during their first fight is : 117-109, 116-111, and 114-113, all for Inoue.

Not sure what the first judge is watching, but the second and third judge score the fight very close.

Casimero vs Donaire is also a good match as well. But if Donaire doesn't want the fight and wanted Inoue first then all we can do is wait for now.

I watched that fight and I can say that Inoue got a taste of pinoy flash, and back then Donaire is not in his fighting shape (personal opinion), having away from the ring for some time and not to experience any fight got some impact to boxers conditions.

He threw punches that hurts Inoue but since the champ is very active and still on his prime, after some of those heavy punches from Donaire and feels that he can ignore it,

He brings he's heavy blow, and the timing was perfect. In the last few rounds, he beats Donaire at no doubt.

Moving back to this topic, It's nice for Casimero to get the Attention of Inoue after winning against Rigo, interesting to bring the noise and even before both camps settled, Inoue though will give a rematch fight for Donaire this coming Nov no final date though.

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 18, 2021, 08:31:53 AM

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I think that an Inoue vs Donaire isn't going to a good one for Donaire, didn't Inoue defeated Donaire already and Inoue is a skilled one to be able to do a repeat against Donaire. I will still go for a Casimero vs Donaire bout.

true, Inoue is a great fighter but why won't it be good for Donaire? there are a lot of great boxers(Pacquiao for example) who lost to an opponent then made a dramatic improvement and defeated the same opponent on a rematch. what I want to say is, boxers do improve if they want to. also, Donaire needs to prove(win matches) himself before he can even ask for a fight with Inoue. I think a fight between them would be great and we would see how munch Donaire improves and how Inoue will counter it.

Donaire is already in His late years meaning improvements are far from happening if he will be facing Inoue as the japanese boxer is too young and has a lot of future while Nonito is nearing retirement .
i think he can try fighting but the chance of winning back from his past lose to this fighter .
maybe let us try waiting for Casinero to face him and be judge for what to happen.

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Quote from: Obito on August 18, 2021, 06:33:15 AM

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Quote from: Obito on August 17, 2021, 09:02:14 AM

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Or Inoue for that matter. I don't know if Donaire will still fight Casimero after the drama. But Casimero said, Donaire and Inoue are the next possible opponents as Rigo is already down. But both camps are still mum if they will indeed face Casimero inside the ring.

Now, maybe it is time to lock this thread. Wink

I think that an Inoue vs Donaire isn't going to a good one for Donaire, didn't Inoue defeated Donaire already and Inoue is a skilled one to be able to do a repeat against Donaire. I will still go for a Casimero vs Donaire bout.

Why not though? Donaire is the only fighter that give Inoue one hell of a fight, maybe you forgot that the last time they meet, Donaire broke Inoue's orbital bone. So he was close to defeating Inoue in my opinion. If he could have start early and hit Inoue with powerful left then maybe it could have a different outcome.

The final score during their first fight is : 117-109, 116-111, and 114-113, all for Inoue.

Not sure what the first judge is watching, but the second and third judge score the fight very close.

Casimero vs Donaire is also a good match as well. But if Donaire doesn't want the fight and wanted Inoue first then all we can do is wait for now.

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Quote from: Obito on August 18, 2021, 06:33:15 AM

I think that an Inoue vs Donaire isn't going to a good one for Donaire, didn't Inoue defeated Donaire already and Inoue is a skilled one to be able to do a repeat against Donaire. I will still go for a Casimero vs Donaire bout.

true, Inoue is a great fighter but why won't it be good for Donaire? there are a lot of great boxers(Pacquiao for example) who lost to an opponent then made a dramatic improvement and defeated the same opponent on a rematch. what I want to say is, boxers do improve if they want to. also, Donaire needs to prove(win matches) himself before he can even ask for a fight with Inoue. I think a fight between them would be great and we would see how munch Donaire improves and how Inoue will counter it.

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Quote from: Obito on August 18, 2021, 06:33:15 AM

Quote from: tippytoes on August 17, 2021, 09:42:31 AM

Quote from: Obito on August 17, 2021, 09:02:14 AM

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Or Inoue for that matter. I don't know if Donaire will still fight Casimero after the drama. But Casimero said, Donaire and Inoue are the next possible opponents as Rigo is already down. But both camps are still mum if they will indeed face Casimero inside the ring.

Now, maybe it is time to lock this thread. Wink

I think that an Inoue vs Donaire isn't going to a good one for Donaire, didn't Inoue defeated Donaire already and Inoue is a skilled one to be able to do a repeat against Donaire. I will still go for a Casimero vs Donaire bout.

It will still be a good and wise choice for Donaire to get a rematch with Inoue because that would be bigger than a Casimero fight money-wise and the risk of losing is just the same.

Inoue have posted in his social media account that he want a fight with Casimero, seems like the Monster is mad at Casimero after all those jabs pointed at him lol.

Ok OP, i think it's time to lock the thread now as it is already four days since the fight.

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Quote from: tippytoes on August 17, 2021, 09:42:31 AM

Quote from: Obito on August 17, 2021, 09:02:14 AM

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Or Inoue for that matter. I don't know if Donaire will still fight Casimero after the drama. But Casimero said, Donaire and Inoue are the next possible opponents as Rigo is already down. But both camps are still mum if they will indeed face Casimero inside the ring.

Now, maybe it is time to lock this thread. Wink

I think that an Inoue vs Donaire isn't going to a good one for Donaire, didn't Inoue defeated Donaire already and Inoue is a skilled one to be able to do a repeat against Donaire. I will still go for a Casimero vs Donaire bout.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on August 18, 2021, 05:22:40 AM

Many Are saying that Rigondeaux really is just running inside the ring, my opinion here is that is his style and strategy even in his recent fights, that waiting for the counter and avoiding technique just isn't what many boxing fans really want but can we blame the person for doing such thing, I am not defending Guillermo Rigondeaux here at least I am in favor with John Riel Casimero, proud to be Pinoy, well I am just talking about what I think to happen inside the ring, in a UFC fight there will be takedowns, and there will also be running around the ring just to break the opponent's momentum or Rhythm I am just saying that the 1 judge technically is analyzing the way Rigondeaux fight, but Rigondeaux doesn't really throw so many punches because of Casimero as well, John Riel Casimero is on the lead where Rigondeaux will move.

But let's just all move on and just congratulate both fighters, I know many are saying that Rigo should retire after this fight but if he still wants to continue then let's respect what he wants.

He's style is so worse and even the announcer got dismay to what he show in the ring for sure if he fight again there are few people will watch his fight. Even his fans really dismay on what he show since it seems that he is so afraid to get hit by Casimero but anyways the result is already given and Casimero called the winner so better we respect both the fighter even if we don't like the outcome of this supposed to be main event.

Maybe its good to lock this thread since the fight is already done and there's nothing more to be discuss here.

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