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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on June 23, 2019, 04:14:09 PM

Gambling is all about random number generation, and provably fair scheme provides guarantees that casino doesn't cheat, but we also know that humans are horrible random number generators - we are very easily predictable.

There are many online demonstrations available, I'll just drop one here: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kms/schools/rps/index.php
After a small number of games, computer becomes quite good at consistently beating you at the game.

So, theoretically a casino can observe how you place your bets, then predict your next bets and make their own bets (they always go first) accordingly. The flaw here is if this algorithm is implemented too naively, it can be abused by players by making big amounts of predictable low-value bets, and then making a big opposite bet.

You know the saying "The casino always wins."With or without AI and random number generation algorithms,the casinos will win 99,99% of the time.The important question here is,can a gambler develop an AI or algorithm that can predict random numbers and beat the casino.

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This explains why there are a phenomena called beginners luck which i suppose that AI makes to make the player hooked and play in a long time.

They arent organising false games, that would not be AI especially just unfair and manipulative with false accounting given for open game factors. Beginners luck is better explained by somehow receives some good luck but presumes it might continue from lack of experience where as a player who has lost plenty would know better and possible take some or all of the winnings off the table. The experience can be a negative as removing all winnings reduces the streak continuing where as blind luck helps the person who beats the odds and has no idea they are being so brave to continue the risk.
Always take back your initial stake so you can play again, very much basic and then past that take more if you have been lucky especially as it wont be repeated often

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AI reacting in user's game is just normal. But, the computer will not dictate on someone like controlling the results so as to give the computer an attention for the users to get the mindset to always believe i. believe cryptocurrency should never

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 23, 2019, 06:16:57 PM

I did observed some games like roulette wherein it looks like the casinos or maybe AI, when they see the pattern of your bets, you won't see success as it used to be. Of course there is almost the edge, but I don't know, see this many times when I'm playing that's why when I had a good run I will simply stop. At least I have won a few and move on the next game.

Yeah your right great ideas and decisions, if you are already won even if small amount you should stop because casino really use AI it's hard to predict the next streak bet if you gonna win or lose. Some advise control yourself in gambling play for just having fun do not play gambling if are not ready to lose funds and do not treat gambling as source of income.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on June 23, 2019, 04:14:09 PM

Gambling is all about random number generation, and provably fair scheme provides guarantees that casino doesn't cheat, but we also know that humans are horrible random number generators - we are very easily predictable.

There are many online demonstrations available, I'll just drop one here: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kms/schools/rps/index.php
After a small number of games, computer becomes quite good at consistently beating you at the game.

So, theoretically a casino can observe how you place your bets, then predict your next bets and make their own bets (they always go first) accordingly. The flaw here is if this algorithm is implemented too naively, it can be abused by players by making big amounts of predictable low-value bets, and then making a big opposite bet.

when Technology developed it is also one of the good factor for the development of any field if the gambling field accept the technology as an addition then it will be giving fun and extra involvement with the attraction of the the gambling very easily so that it will be acceptable for everyone.

Artificial Intelligence should be used in gambling sites and casino. This will give many new interactive and extra features which gamblers will enjoy.
AI can also be used to target different players with different types of games based upon their interests and past habits.

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Quote from: seleme on June 27, 2019, 03:56:49 PM

I think the widely used face detecting technology can help casinos staff to detect the cheaters among local visitors and prevent their entrance to the casino. The AI based casino management will not be successful in online sphere due to the obvious reasons. The house always wins, why to combine this edge with something that has not proven yet..

LOL That face detecting technology should have been widely used in many places not just casinos but airports and crowded places to detect which people in the crowd that is most likely to commit crime. I think it can be used in mobile phones too, gamblers playing in btc casino app will ask to approve access to camera of the gamblers for face checking.

AI could be used in many different place as it depends on the kind of artificially designed software. For airports, it is already installed in mega airports like Dubai Airport and maybe in the US I am not sure about that. When it comes to the implications of AI in the business world, you could very easily make use of AI to boost your business and reach as many costumer in seconds so yes, it could improve the gambling market.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 23, 2019, 06:16:57 PM

I did observed some games like roulette wherein it looks like the casinos or maybe AI, when they see the pattern of your bets, you won't see success as it used to be. Of course there is almost the edge, but I don't know, see this many times when I'm playing that's why when I had a good run I will simply stop. At least I have won a few and move on the next game.

I also notice that new forms of gambling relies on numbers and code such as roll and the times we would won on a bet game. It it very noticeable that online gambling also provides auto bet that has an intent to create a bet automatically in a choice to navigate the game easily in a way we could just watch and stop when we want to.

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Quote from: seleme on June 27, 2019, 03:56:49 PM

I think the widely used face detecting technology can help casinos staff to detect the cheaters among local visitors and prevent their entrance to the casino. The AI based casino management will not be successful in online sphere due to the obvious reasons. The house always wins, why to combine this edge with something that has not proven yet..

LOL That face detecting technology should have been widely used in many places not just casinos but airports and crowded places to detect which people in the crowd that is most likely to commit crime. I think it can be used in mobile phones too, gamblers playing in btc casino app will ask to approve access to camera of the gamblers for face checking.

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If type 2 AI is to be implemented in gambling casinos - combination of limited memory and theory of mind, that would really be scary. Gambler might not have the chance to win anymore. Before, everyone has the slim chance of winning, now with that combination, I don't think a gambler will ever win. But the question is, how much data and how long does it needs to collect data from the player to be considered that it acquired the necessary information to get the full grasp of the player's behaviour?

I do think it would be like a game changer but the fact that something like that is still not out yet in public OR probably it's in a development process that is still top secret. We will never know until we find out. I'm curious with the matter of AI and is part of a group that explores something related to that but not to gambling. Maybe you could call it gambling but it's in trading. Lol.

And I think you got it all wrong with the purpose of the AI. It's for improving your chances in winning. The player would use the AI to somehow predict the best probability of winning in a certain round or the game itself. Not the other way around. If the house uses that, they would have more advantage than ever.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on June 23, 2019, 04:14:09 PM

Gambling is all about random number generation, and provably fair scheme provides guarantees that casino doesn't cheat, but we also know that humans are horrible random number generators - we are very easily predictable.

There are many online demonstrations available, I'll just drop one here: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kms/schools/rps/index.php
After a small number of games, computer becomes quite good at consistently beating you at the game.

So, theoretically a casino can observe how you place your bets, then predict your next bets and make their own bets (they always go first) accordingly. The flaw here is if this algorithm is implemented too naively, it can be abused by players by making big amounts of predictable low-value bets, and then making a big opposite bet.

This explains why there are a phenomena called beginners luck which i suppose that AI makes to make the player hooked and play in a long time. This actually some codes or systems embeded into game particularly to control the ins and outs of the gambling slots. The AI decides the winning combination depending on the money you put or some reasons.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on June 23, 2019, 04:14:09 PM

Gambling is all about random number generation, and provably fair scheme provides guarantees that casino doesn't cheat, but we also know that humans are horrible random number generators - we are very easily predictable.

There are many online demonstrations available, I'll just drop one here: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kms/schools/rps/index.php
After a small number of games, computer becomes quite good at consistently beating you at the game.

So, theoretically a casino can observe how you place your bets, then predict your next bets and make their own bets (they always go first) accordingly. The flaw here is if this algorithm is implemented too naively, it can be abused by players by making big amounts of predictable low-value bets, and then making a big opposite bet.

it is also important when we are doing something we also expect some new features to be add on in everything especially in gambling we need to be entertained then only it will be addictive attractive for the next time so this is also like that.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on June 23, 2019, 04:14:09 PM

Gambling is all about random number generation, and provably fair scheme provides guarantees that casino doesn't cheat, but we also know that humans are horrible random number generators - we are very easily predictable.

There are many online demonstrations available, I'll just drop one here: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kms/schools/rps/index.php
After a small number of games, computer becomes quite good at consistently beating you at the game.

So, theoretically a casino can observe how you place your bets, then predict your next bets and make their own bets (they always go first) accordingly. The flaw here is if this algorithm is implemented too naively, it can be abused by players by making big amounts of predictable low-value bets, and then making a big opposite bet.

when Technology developed it is also one of the good factor for the development of any field if the gambling field accept the technology as an addition then it will be giving fun and extra involvement with the attraction of the the gambling very easily so that it will be acceptable for everyone.

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I think the widely used face detecting technology can help casinos staff to detect the cheaters among local visitors and prevent their entrance to the casino. The AI based casino management will not be successful in online sphere due to the obvious reasons. The house always wins, why to combine this edge with something that has not proven yet..

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Quote from: bittraffic on June 27, 2019, 09:42:43 AM

Okay so we are promoting them in our signatures but majority of us doesn't believe they are doing fair on their system. Does that sound right?
I seriously think of promoting something else now like a project doing IEO than the gambling site I kept playing on.

Quote from: Zicadis on June 27, 2019, 07:46:35 AM

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Quote from: mu_enrico on June 27, 2019, 04:07:44 AM

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If OpenAI can beat Dendi, pretty sure it can eliminate 99% of human out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4-wvhgx0w
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I don't play Dota, so the only thing I can see from this video is that AI(Bot) is beating the human player. And the human is not just a player, but he's one of the best in the field, as far as I understand.

OpenAI (Bot) was given the same algorithm as to Google’s AI that beat the world’s best ‘Go’ player: it wasn't provided with any strategies, nor has it learned from human experts, it was playing with itself from the very beginning and making small improvements, step by step, has has become the best player in the world.

They say AI can beat any player in poker, but I personally doubt it, and it would be very interesting to try to play poker with such a bot.

If the AI can destroy players at a game like Dota, why wouldn't it completely annihilate humans at a much simpler game, like Poker?

Sure, it might not be able to interpret tells and other signs of deception, but purely playing it by the numbers should allow it to beat pretty much any professional over the long run.

I can't imagine how heavily coded the AI in that case but even so, it beat a human? Why can't they do a robot for that to attack terrorist.

So we have many application of artificially designed intelligent robots and software that have been helping so much in the business. Couple of days ago I visited Proctor&Gamble’s website and I saw an option for online chat. I though it is a correspondent but it was mid night and correspondents usually do not job at such times. Later I found it is their AI software that helps you with stuff. This is the reason why so many people love P&G and AI.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on June 23, 2019, 04:14:09 PM

Gambling is all about random number generation, and provably fair scheme provides guarantees that casino doesn't cheat, but we also know that humans are horrible random number generators - we are very easily predictable.

There are many online demonstrations available, I'll just drop one here: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kms/schools/rps/index.php
After a small number of games, computer becomes quite good at consistently beating you at the game.

So, theoretically a casino can observe how you place your bets, then predict your next bets and make their own bets (they always go first) accordingly. The flaw here is if this algorithm is implemented too naively, it can be abused by players by making big amounts of predictable low-value bets, and then making a big opposite bet.

If this is already been done wouldn't it be reasonable to use brand new accounts for every bet? It is actually possible that the big casinos have a way of making rough estimates of gamblers next moves

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The casino business already pulls in billions every year, how much more of an edge do they need? They already have one of the best business models where people basically just hand over there money to them. AI will change a lot of things but I don't see it having a big affect on gambling.

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Okay so we are promoting them in our signatures but majority of us doesn't believe they are doing fair on their system. Does that sound right?
I seriously think of promoting something else now like a project doing IEO than the gambling site I kept playing on.

Quote from: Zicadis on June 27, 2019, 07:46:35 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on June 27, 2019, 07:35:23 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on June 27, 2019, 04:07:44 AM

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If OpenAI can beat Dendi, pretty sure it can eliminate 99% of human out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4-wvhgx0w
~

I don't play Dota, so the only thing I can see from this video is that AI(Bot) is beating the human player. And the human is not just a player, but he's one of the best in the field, as far as I understand.

OpenAI (Bot) was given the same algorithm as to Google’s AI that beat the world’s best ‘Go’ player: it wasn't provided with any strategies, nor has it learned from human experts, it was playing with itself from the very beginning and making small improvements, step by step, has has become the best player in the world.

They say AI can beat any player in poker, but I personally doubt it, and it would be very interesting to try to play poker with such a bot.

If the AI can destroy players at a game like Dota, why wouldn't it completely annihilate humans at a much simpler game, like Poker?

Sure, it might not be able to interpret tells and other signs of deception, but purely playing it by the numbers should allow it to beat pretty much any professional over the long run.

I can't imagine how heavily coded the AI in that case but even so, it beat a human? Why can't they do a robot for that to attack terrorist.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on June 27, 2019, 04:07:44 AM

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If OpenAI can beat Dendi, pretty sure it can eliminate 99% of human out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4-wvhgx0w
~

I don't play Dota, so the only thing I can see from this video is that AI(Bot) is beating the human player. And the human is not just a player, but he's one of the best in the field, as far as I understand.

OpenAI (Bot) was given the same algorithm as to Google’s AI that beat the world’s best ‘Go’ player: it wasn't provided with any strategies, nor has it learned from human experts, it was playing with itself from the very beginning and making small improvements, step by step, has has become the best player in the world.

They say AI can beat any player in poker, but I personally doubt it, and it would be very interesting to try to play poker with such a bot.

If the AI can destroy players at a game like Dota, why wouldn't it completely annihilate humans at a much simpler game, like Poker?

Sure, it might not be able to interpret tells and other signs of deception, but purely playing it by the numbers should allow it to beat pretty much any professional over the long run.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on June 27, 2019, 04:07:44 AM

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If OpenAI can beat Dendi, pretty sure it can eliminate 99% of human out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4-wvhgx0w
~

I don't play Dota, so the only thing I can see from this video is that AI(Bot) is beating the human player. And the human is not just a player, but he's one of the best in the field, as far as I understand.

OpenAI (Bot) was given the same algorithm as to Google’s AI that beat the world’s best ‘Go’ player: it wasn't provided with any strategies, nor has it learned from human experts, it was playing with itself from the very beginning and making small improvements, step by step, has has become the best player in the world.

They say AI can beat any player in poker, but I personally doubt it, and it would be very interesting to try to play poker with such a bot.

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