Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 63. (Read 12705 times)

Yes, I also agree with what you say, many users who are already in a casino and who have a lot of experience do not usually trust new casinos, for many reasons, and mainly to give a KYC, however we have been players experienced that we have done any type of thing in the casinos, and we have had good and bad experiences, obviously the bad experiences are what make us have a much greater experience than that of the good ones, but in this case it already depends a lot on the player If you want to leave your KYC so you don't have to do it anymore, this is what I always recommend for the most reliable casinos, in my case they only reach about 5, in which I have satisfactorily fulfilled my KYC, because it is what we can do many ways to be able to have access to what we know as the most reliable, clearly I am at stake.com, where I never have any complaints, or anything like that, any anomaly is resolved very quickly and many can be made things so that it can continue flowing, in the case that tootris casinos have also fulfilled their KYC.

For players who normally do a KYC anywhere, I do not recommend it, as I said before, only in favorite, well-known and highly reputable casinos, what I have said lately, taking all these things into consideration, is that the KYC has been done quickly, and I don't expect that we are going to do a reiter, for us to face such an obstacle, but once we do the KYC in the first moment we can normally reiter our money, that is what we always look for, that security we ourselves have to give ourselves, because I don't see any other way, the possibilities are very slight when it comes to kyc and if we are to wait for the infal, only when we are going to make a withdrawal, because the experience will not be pleasant, because having to wait one or 2 days than that They can pray and that everything is fine, some people find it annoying.

Well, this type of behavior is not new, it's something that is very common with a lot of casinos and even most crypto currency exchange.
Even till today, trust me, there are a lot of casinos out there right now where a gambler can easily without kyc verification deposit a hundred thousand dollars, but for some time, and luckily win extra one hundred thousand dollars and ask or request a withdrawal of your entire balance on your account, you will instantly be blocked and asked to go through a kyc verification process, and get verified before your withdrawal request can be processed.

This is something a lot of casinos do and it's clearly a cheat, what if at that point, the gambler doest have the requested documents for the kyc verification, does it mean the casino will seize his or her money for ever?, I call this daylight robbery.

what has been happening is that in more than 80% of casinos in their terms of service they state that they will ask for kyc in case they detect any suspicious activity, but when thinking about suspicious activity, we are talking about something very vague that the casino can decide by itself that anything is considered suspicious activity, for example the casino might say that winning a lot is suspicious activity, the casino might say that winning consistently is suspicious activity, if the casino would put that in the terms of service at the point where it talks about suspicious activities, so I highly doubt that many people who would take the time to read this text would create an account at a casino that has these ideas.

That's why casinos with bad intentions don't detail anything in the rules about what they consider to be suspicious activities, and when people create an account, play with little money and win a lot of money, then they stop that person from withdrawing their money and accuse that person of having done some suspicious activity, but so the casino doesn't look like the villain in the story, they tell the customer that they will return the deposit minus the winnings, but since the person made deposits they have had some losses so they have nothing to return.

for example a person deposits 100$ in casino That person plays with the $30 he has left and is lucky to win $900. At the time of withdrawal, the casino will tell you that suspicious activity has been detected and that they will return the 100$ that you deposited minus the losses, in this case first the person lost 70$, then they lost 30$ and that is already equal to 100$ that he deposited. Therefore, the casino will tell you that it has nothing to return. This is the scheme that a certain old scam casino has done, but other casinos that have the same owner as that scam casino, do the same thing and many new casinos have also done

There are still some people on this forum who really maintain anonymity when gambling and refuse KYC but we don't know whether people like this really refuse KYC or still provide KYC they just say that anonymity is important and must always be maintained because it has been proven that several casinos have implement KYC to all customers without exception although there are still some casinos that stipulate KYC but when only small withdrawal transactions are not required KYC requirements.

Fake identities will only give us complicated problems later and it is not recommended for gamblers to provide fake identities when completing KYC verification.
After all why give fake identity if it will only make things difficult for us one day plus we will probably be gambling for long time so we don't know what will happen in the future.

Maybe some people still use fake identity data for KYC but I sure they will regret it and when serious problems occur there will be other verification that might let gamblers know if they have previously used fake identity data.

If I were to gamble at a casino like this, I would feel like I had been cheated. If mandatory KYC is implemented, the registration form should include a checklist or notes outlining the terms and conditions of agreeing to KYC. It seems like the casino is only interested in taking deposits and doesn't care about their customers receiving their winnings.

Well, what I am saying is something about the abuses of the system, if abuses of the casino system occur, it is the fault of the casino itself, because where they have not programmed things well thinking that they could cheat, then they have done it wrong, I Personally, if I see that they cheat in a casino with respect to bonuses, contests, because it is in a faucet or something like that, for me the casino is weak, and if it has such a pronounced vulnerability, then the casino is not It's good for me, because if this is allowed in their system, I don't want to imagine the flaws that exist within the security, so in this order of ideas, when we are in a casino like this, if all those things are resented, then obviously for My the casino is bad, it doesn't have good security or anything, it's the casino's fault, obviously the player will want to do what he is allowed there and if he is allowed it it is because it is assumed that he is not abusing it, but that it can be done, which apsa The thing is that these things are sometimes misinterpreted, for me it is a failure, a vulnerability, an error in the programming of the site, not the players, because the players are not all experts and hackers, or something like that, the casino has to be optimized in their processes, and more when it comes to security.

For me, a good casino is one that does not allow any type of prejudice with what it offers, if a course and a bonus are offered, then they say they abused the system, for me there is a flaw in the entire system, then it is not a casino that Be trustworthy for me, because if I get to deposit, they can easily say that they were hacked and that their phones were stolen, so they can't answer that they were just starting, and who can tell them something? By the way, I will never agree with the KYC, for the reasons you say, and the reasons they give, for me they are pure blah blah, there is no such reason that they can ask for, yes, I know that the countries in which they are operating It is required of them, that is the only thing I can say that can affect them.

I agree with you on this,  and I am sure that majority of the other members of this forum who may not have used fake documents because I don't see any use of using fake documents to verify your account when you don't have the intention to abuse the casino,  this is what most casinos are up against,  because their aware of this possibilities so at such they make out modalities that will protect the interest pf the platform,  so if a gambler used a fake documents to verify,  at the long run he will still fall into problems that will ultimately expose him along the line.

Most of them would really be complying with government laws and rules and as a business then you would really be needing to comply with that or else then operation would really be at risks.For those people who do have experienced about those KYC lock ups then for sure they would be having those kind of thoughts that they should have done that on the time that making up some registration and not on the time that they do make out some withdrawal. Frustration and anger could really be felt on that time because you would really be that in a hurry on getting those winnings but on the time that you have done that then this is the time that they do ask out for such requirement which it do really sucks on that case.

For sure there are people who do make use of fake documents just to pass up that KYC but if there would really be some further requirements on which it would really be correlating
on such information then for sure you wont really be able to get out with it and you would really be busted on which means that it would really be
resulting into total confiscation with those funds and there's nothing we can do about that as a violator. Its our mistake.

Yes you are right some of the popular sites here will ask for KYC before gamblers can make deposits and play games at least KYC level 1 and I have experienced this but for me this is not a problem because I will just obey the rules of the casino because the casino is popular and has a good reputation when send KYC level 1 I can trust the casino.
For other casinos that do not ask for KYC before users make deposits or bets, they will usually ask for KYC when they want to withdraw large funds from the casino and that is very natural because it is now a regulation for popular licensed casinos to comply with KYC.

Some people do skip out on reading terms and conditions since usually those text or whatever information been set into those pile of text is really just that the same most of the time within platforms and this is why they would really be assuming that majority of them would be just the same and there's no need to read up it a whole but we do know that every platform does have their different jurisdiction basing up on where they are located. If they are located on a place on which it do prohibits out on certain list of countries and find out that you are included into that one then for sure
you would definitely be facing up some issues on which it is really that just common or normal that they would be imposing those prohibitions or whatever actions that would really be against into those violators.

We know that these platforms are regulated and it would re ally be just that normal that they would be imposing on what they do have set into those terms.The wrong thing
only on here is that most of violators would really be fighting out for their right and telling that they hadnt violate something but truly they had made out such
mistake on skipping on reading that TOS in the first place.

The problem with all this arose the day we let ourselves get into the story that with KYC things were going to be more secure. That is a vile and vulgar lie, KYC is to have control of governments, banks, etc., because it is not convenient for them that so much money is handled without knowing who it belongs to, who owns it, to somehow in the future begin to Meedrant them, that's what it means, we have been somewhat weak when these things were implemented, given that those who have always sought privacy and anonymity is a right, it is not something that we invented just to annoy, why then In the Casion Fiat they don't stay with them and that's it? What happens is that this technology was made so that people, third parties, governments would not get their hands in it, and we say from the outset that yes, that they can request KYC and everything, at least I do not agree with this, yes I have I have stated that I have done some KYC of my favorite casinos that do not even reach 5, but that other casinos have to require a KYC to withdraw , that is like digital intimidation , because what happens if one of those casinos is hacked ? and the addresses and all the data are leaked? At the same time, what about the whales, who handle a large amount of money? and they come to your houses, Threaten you,  kill you ? What happens to that casino that let that Information leak? nothing, because it is like that, nothing happens.

So given that things are Now so unreliable , because not only because of the casinos that sometimes become scams but Also the casinos that are usually the most sought after to be Able to Compete online with those that may be more Competitive , I say that they have You have to be very clear, sincere, say that you have to comply with the KYC because it is a requirement, that it has to be done by means of an amount to another amount, KYC level 1 is fulfilled, then for larger groups KYC level 5 , Something like that, that still, that Doesn't make any kind of sense to me.

Right, i have seen several OP created those guys are faced KYC issue or their account terminated, it may be because of their suspicious activities or they are operating the account from a restricted country, so it’s very important to read TOS to sign up and before deposit in any casino site, who guys don't care that end of the day they will face such problems. I have experienced with several casino platforms, and i deposit & withdrawal without any KYC.

I'm not taking sides but most times we forget to read the terms and conditions  of a casino before jumping on them,  and at the long run, we get stocked in messy situations and there is something I noticed about these terms and conditions and I don't know if others did, and there are situations where the casino make it so obvious that they have every right to withhold, block, lock and ban accounts of users if the case be without questioning and the moment we click on the yes to accepting all terms and conditions then it is believed that we're at the mercy of the casino.
There is another quote in casinos that they also have the full right to edit, add and change their terms and conditions at any given time without prior notice to their customers and these alone also justifies every action taken by the casino against their player.

I would advice that,  potential customers should always learn how to read and understand  terms and conditions of a firm before jumping into it.

Any additional changes to the TOS will always be informed through your email being used at the time to register your account. The mistake was on the people. There have been many trusted sites who were offering non KYC withdrawal as long as it was not passing certain limit.
People keep going through casino site which was offering instant withdraw but lack of excellent reputation among the gamblers. We have seen that many times scam casino was scamming people through this way.
People must be stupid enough in using that kind of casino side.


I think that it will always be explained during the time of registration in the casino. There are some casino who ask KYC as mandatory before the users will able to play but even some trusted casinos were not implementing it.
They were only asking KYC when the users have been meeting certain criterias. I think that this is also depending on the user itself. They can pick trusted site rather than unfamiliar site to deal with.

If first thing come up in their mind is to read the TOS for sure they will never complain about anything possible implemented by the casino. So to save up some stress or any unwanted circumstances we need to know their rules first before engaging with them since its so hard to encounter an issue and get surprise about requirements asked to us before we can proceed to our request. Also its lame reason that they don't have enough time to read the TOS since in first place they can spend a lot of time on gambling but yet they can't even do a few minutes reading. So its their own fault if they miss some important points and there's nothing to be blame on the part of the casino.

How possible is it for gamblers to make things hard for a casino? Even the president of a country does not have the kind of power casinos have over their users..

So, point of correction my friend, gamblers don't make things hard for the Casino, but rather, they make things hard for themselves, when a gambler signs up on a casino and refuse to go through the terms and conditions of such casino, then end getting into trouble, it is not the casinos problem but the gamblers problem, it is the gambler who has his or her money hanging and may loss it if he or she does not do or provide what the casino is asking.

The only way a casino can get away with this is if you decide to walk away because you don't want to pass KYC and I believe that decision is a stupid one, though it depends on how much we are talking about, you won't walk away if its 100k available for withdrawal after KYC verification.

It's delusional to believe that you can gamble on any casino and win a good amount of money without them telling you to pass KYC verification first, I even fear casinos that won't ask you to get your KYC over with first, because they are not to be trusted to me than those that ask for KYC verification.

If you understand the rules of operating a casino you will understand why important KYC compliance is a must for a legal casino, since you now know about this it's better to verify your KYC first before using any online casino, it's easier this way.

Some casino site make additional rule after term of service such as KYC required when withdrawing process, many costumer blame for first time with registering casino site without see or read all required needed before depositing fund. Commonly, some user of casino not read with term of service with some casino and during deposit fund without get trouble although account account not approving KYC yet.

Problem face later when withdrawing moment I think weakness from site casino, they should stop deposit operation for user not KYC first to protect their problem later when withdrawing amount from casino, if deposit close actually not get chance to withdrawing fund due user of casino have make their account approving firstly by KYC.

There have been several cases of casinos demanding for strict kyc especially at some trigger points of withdrawals.
At some point, I have to blame casinos who don't make this pints clear and obvious on their sites or terms and conditions but on the other end, most players don't have the luxury of time to read the terms and conditions of a casino before jumping into it and end up been stranded along the way which isn't right.
In as much as casinos are trying to balance the whole drama with their regulatory bodies and their customers, we should always try out best to support them rather than making things really hard for them

It would be very good if players could currently raise their voice without any fear, it is known that everything requires KYC and all players are clear about it, so before doing anything, KYC must be fulfilled, because just entering, playing and having fun is It's nice, but if you win it is more fabulous to withdraw the money, it is what every player is looking for, if they say no because of the KYC that interrupts the plans you have for that money you won, then of course it bothers, I don't I say nothing for the simple fact of the KYC, because then another defense comes out, because the KYC are necessary for blah blah blah, and well, what can be done with the others? If there is no help in the players' union then nothing can be done, what now has to be taken into consideration is that the KYC is mandatory, for me what is mandatory is that it is common in the casinos that I completely trust, I complied with it, which I At one time it didn't bother me, but currently the new cainos, which have these demanding standards, many more things must be done

For the casinos where we have the most experience, favoritism, there is no problem, well at least for me, because one already trusts those casinos with a closed eye and things can turn out well, one already has a good time there, so in this order of ideas As good players, nothing we do is done, and it doesn't make us angry, but there are some casinos that are relatively new, that don't have any trust index, how do they expect a player to comply with a KYC? We don't know, but casinos have been presented here that meet many requirements and claim to be Scam, so these types of things are what we try to avoid, but I would like them to have the detail that before making any payment that they require KYC and then If the deposit option is enabled, perhaps this is how the clarity and transparency of a casino would be seen, that is what occurs to me, of course, this is something that would not look bad, some will say that they see this and leave at once , or they will not even approach the casino, that's fine , but then they must realize that this is a casino that is sincere and that it is very clear, without deceiving