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Quote from: Wiwo on September 30, 2023, 08:27:38 AM

So if you are in within the deposits and withdrawal trench hold and kyc is demanded it means there are suspicious activities from the account.

This is what usually happens because so far, sometimes many people complain about account problems, they are asked for KYC even though the withdrawal is not too big, usually the casino marks their account or there is suspicious activity, which makes the casino have to check it according to the regulatory procedures they set, for example asking the user to complete KYC properly before making a withdrawal.

In big casinos I see that there are several people without KYC withdrawing money easily even the process is instant and on the other hand there are people who may withdraw the same amount but the withdrawal process needs to be reviewed by the casino and that is what allows there to be suspicious activity, actually if we Play honestly and obey the rules, everything will be safe and sound.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 05:54:00 PM

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

That's a pretty common occurrence in online casinos these days. The requirements for deposits are usually much smaller than the requirements for withdrawals. As for KYC I think that many casinos have a fixed limit at which you can't withdraw money without it at home. I saw some casinos have a limit of 1,000 to 2,500 USD above which you need to provide KYC. For me this is fine, as long as the casino tells us beforehand in their ToS. KYC shouldn't be a tool for the casino to avoid paying out winnings for the gamblers, but rather to increase security and fulfill regulatory requirements. With KYC the gambling industry can show that they are proactively trying to avoid criminal activity, as long as they don't misuse it for their own purposes. The idea of casino to only ask for KYC at the withdrawal is that they need much less data. If we assume that 50% of the gamblers will lose money and not withdraw then it's much less data needed. And then there are the people that don't like KYC and wouldn't have joined the casino in the first place.

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Quote from: Wakate on September 30, 2023, 08:10:54 AM

The question is that how many gamblers do have the patience or time to read terms and conditions? Many of us can decide to go through terms but may not read it all because we are nit always patience for something like that. For a casino not to require KYC when we register and require it for withdrawal does not make any sense at all and we need to be aware of casino like that so we are not going to rush and register on a casino and when it comes to withdrawals, they will be asking us of many things we might not even have available.

While it is true the majority of the gamblers out there do not take the time to read the TOS of casinos, exchanges and other services, this is something they should do, otherwise how are they going to know if they are allowed to gamble at that casino at all, or the conditions to be subjected to KYC and its requirements, or how will a specific bet be treated in the case there was a dispute.

All of those things can massively influence your experience with a casino, and to not know how casinos will respond to them simply because a gambler was too lazy to read their TOS is too irresponsible.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 30, 2023, 06:49:15 AM

Those are included already actually when you try to create an account there are terms and conditions you must need to agree and of course, some people are lazy to read all of those terms and just click agree, but in a way most of the casinos have a KYC but not mandatory like the submission of ID most likely just happen if the accounts is tag as suspicious or get freeze due to some instances and occurrence to check and prevent abuse of their system that's time they seek a KYC to make sure that the player is not a bot. Atleast email or number is good too for account recovery.

Of course there's always a terms and conditions comprises of kyc if enable or not which always display during the registration but due to how lengthy it is most people may not have the strength or chance to go through it but perhaps most of the casinos enables deposit even without kyc verification and could also allow withdrawal but limited to a certain amount pending on when you finish the verification, for me I always make sure to do my kyc verification before depositing to avoid delays if I planned to withdraw a huge amount.

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Quote from: ScamViruS on September 30, 2023, 08:01:08 AM

Casinos may ask gamblers for KYC verification for various suspicious activities. Now in this situation a gambler has nothing to do. Casinos create their T&C in such a way that they are in a position of maximum advantage in situations where gamblers cannot opt out because they are trapped in the T&C. But it is also true that there are many gamblers who use the casino to do illegal activities like money laundering, and then it would be considered a good step if a casino asks for KYC verification to catch users involved in those illegal activities.

Yes I agree with that also, casinos demand kyc from gamblers for various reason and not limited to deposits and withdrawals alon that kyc is demanded, in fact left for withdrawal or deposits, the casino already have a standing law that guides and cover that aspect of the kyc, since no casino will request for kyc on either deposits or withdrawal that is within the set trench holds.

$5000 is the most casino base amount on transactions before KYC is demanded and as long as it goes if the gambler operates within a set limit he will not have KYC demands.

So if you are in within the deposits and withdrawal trench hold and kyc is demanded it means there are suspicious activities from the account.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 29, 2023, 07:48:19 AM

Most casinos these days that are operating under a license would ask for KYC verification at some point and they don't mention anything about it beforehand, though they will have it in their terms and conditions and most gamblers don't really read the terms and conditions unless they get in trouble.

I think all of them are telling that on their t & c and it's just that we're not reading it. And we get surprised when we gamble and not expecting to get kyced.
But then, when it comes, that becomes shocking as if that they will never ask that but in fact that it's on their t & c. We just ignored it even if the possibility was there.

The question is that how many gamblers do have the patience or time to read terms and conditions? Many of us can decide to go through terms but may not read it all because we are nit always patience for something like that. For a casino not to require KYC when we register and require it for withdrawal does not make any sense at all and we need to be aware of casino like that so we are not going to rush and register on a casino and when it comes to withdrawals, they will be asking us of many things we might not even have available.

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Quote from: fapar on September 29, 2023, 10:50:59 AM

This is a clear example of the problem of centralization. Earlier, the guys correctly noted that the casino and the company that created it are licensed and officially registered in any country. If the user violates the law, the casino may also be held liable before the law. Until there are truly decentralized casinos (similar to DEX), we will be faced with the requirement of KYC/AML.

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Yes before you choose a casino to play on, you need to have a settlement of mind before you consider them, for instance in making the choice either to do KYC or not and this should be the determinants point of choosing the site.

Casinos have no right to not ask for customer kyc documents since they have to comply with the government rules on anti-money laundering and the rest of the laws attached to the licensing, those that do not want to comply with kyc demands have to look else where fhat doesn't demand kyc such as decentralized casinos.

Casinos may ask gamblers for KYC verification for various suspicious activities. Now in this situation a gambler has nothing to do. Casinos create their T&C in such a way that they are in a position of maximum advantage in situations where gamblers cannot opt out because they are trapped in the T&C. But it is also true that there are many gamblers who use the casino to do illegal activities like money laundering, and then it would be considered a good step if a casino asks for KYC verification to catch users involved in those illegal activities.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on September 29, 2023, 02:06:41 PM

I hate what people allowed running a business to become. We've allowed them to turn us into slaves drowning in paperwork and red tape.
You should be allowed to run a business whenever and however you want. If the business is inefficient, losing you money, scamming customers, it's all on you. If they come at you with pitchforks, there's nothing anybody can do to defend you.

Clients should demand full transparency from a business and if there's not enough of it, they should go somewhere else. That's how free market should work. Instead the business owner has to treat every customer like a potential criminal and act like the police on behalf of the government. This has to change.

What kind of business transparency can we talk about if the majority of online casino owners are located in Curacao (an offshore zone)? Wink

Bring liability or simply sue an individual/legal entity located 4 thousand kilometers from you and operating in its jurisdiction it's practically impossible.

Quote from: ScamViruS on September 29, 2023, 02:22:18 PM

Because of this KYC verification, many gamblers have to think a lot while selecting a gambling website. There are many gamblers who try to do various illegal activities using gambling websites, due to which other gamblers also have to do KYC verification due to this problem. It is a brutal fact that when a gambler wins huge on a gambling website, that gambling website will try their best to find any excuse to block the withdrawal of that gambler. So a gambler then has nothing to do but wait for the decision of that gambling website, because KYC verification is then forced on those gamblers.

Quote from: Wiwo on September 29, 2023, 03:10:02 PM

Yes before you choose a casino to play on, you need to have a settlement of mind before you consider them, for instance in making the choice either to do KYC or not and this should be the determinants point of choosing the site.
Casinos have no right to not ask for customer kyc documents since they have to comply with the government rules on anti-money laundering and the rest of the laws attached to the licensing, those that do not want to comply with kyc demands have to look else where fhat doesn't demand kyc such as decentralized casinos.

This is what I'm talking about. As long as the casino is tied to a real place - the place of registration of its operator, unfortunately, there can be no talk of any abolition of KYC/AML. Therefore, questions related to “illegal enrichment/tax concealment” will arise for the owner of such a casino. There is practically no difficulty in implementing all the popular slot machines and poker/roulette on the simplest contracts in any blockchain. This is the level of the first contracts for Solidity in the ETH network and the first “doublers”, and this is 2016.

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Quote from: terrific on September 29, 2023, 04:41:44 PM

Quote from: dezoel on September 29, 2023, 07:48:19 AM

Most casinos these days that are operating under a license would ask for KYC verification at some point and they don't mention anything about it beforehand, though they will have it in their terms and conditions and most gamblers don't really read the terms and conditions unless they get in trouble.

I think all of them are telling that on their t & c and it's just that we're not reading it. And we get surprised when we gamble and not expecting to get kyced.
But then, when it comes, that becomes shocking as if that they will never ask that but in fact that it's on their t & c. We just ignored it even if the possibility was there.

Those are included already actually when you try to create an account there are terms and conditions you must need to agree and of course, some people are lazy to read all of those terms and just click agree, but in a way most of the casinos have a KYC but not mandatory like the submission of ID most likely just happen if the accounts is tag as suspicious or get freeze due to some instances and occurrence to check and prevent abuse of their system that's time they seek a KYC to make sure that the player is not a bot. Atleast email or number is good too for account recovery.

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Quote from: benalexis12 on September 30, 2023, 02:59:09 AM

It's up to you whether you continue using their platform to gamble if you see that in their TOS right away. Because it looks bad when you read their toss and then whine when you take back what you won. You almost seem to be deluding yourself.

Who are actually reading the very long TOS of casinos? Most gamblers will go back on it when you have to review some of their rules when things go wrong.

Quote from: benalexis12 on September 30, 2023, 02:59:09 AM

However, if you gamble without seeing it in the toss, and then there is a sudden kyc when you withdraw, you can calm down and stop griping until they unexpectedly added a policy like that to their toss.

That's all you need to do and be calm down. Don't sour grape when the casino asks you for KYC because it's not something new to be tilted of.

Quote from: benalexis12 on September 30, 2023, 02:59:09 AM

You can decide whether you don't have anything against it after reading their regulations.

Most of the time, we don't have anything against with the rules. It's just that we're trying against on it when something actually is being put on us like the ruling and kyc matters.

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Quote from: benalexis12 on September 30, 2023, 02:59:09 AM

However, if you gamble without seeing it in the toss, and then there is a sudden kyc when you withdraw, you can calm down and stop griping until they unexpectedly added a policy like that to their toss. You can decide whether you don't have anything against it after reading their regulations.

With or without any mention about the ToS. As long as the casino has a license then there’s a high chance for a KYC by just slipping a few lines for adding KYC on their ToS since casino nowadays doesn’t inform all user for any updates.

Same with user that playing on a centralized casino but doesn’t want to undergo KYC. This is very absurd to do since they knew exactly that majority of casino ask for KYC yet they are still playing on it.

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Quote from: terrific on September 30, 2023, 03:14:14 AM

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Quote from: terrific on September 29, 2023, 04:41:44 PM

Quote from: dezoel on September 29, 2023, 07:48:19 AM

Most casinos these days that are operating under a license would ask for KYC verification at some point and they don't mention anything about it beforehand, though they will have it in their terms and conditions and most gamblers don't really read the terms and conditions unless they get in trouble.

I think all of them are telling that on their t & c and it's just that we're not reading it. And we get surprised when we gamble and not expecting to get kyced.
But then, when it comes, that becomes shocking as if that they will never ask that but in fact that it's on their t & c. We just ignored it even if the possibility was there.

Guy to read terms and conditions is not easy because the articles are always very long though it is very much important to read before gambling and doing anything in the site but because of the length of the article many gamblers didn't read before entering the casino site and deposit and start to play games and when they win and want to withdraw, they will be asked to provide the KYC and in that process many were asked to go back and read the T/C.

Yeah, they're long but get to those important points about the details for kyc. But what happens is we do get there when something happens.
We go back to the long articles and message about the t & c and then we read the actual part that we need to read.
I guess that's how the process for most gamblers when a sudden kyc is being done for the gamblers that are about to withdraw.

This is their excuse because they want to have a reason for user to do that since they want to try those users to default on their request since they don't want to provide their KYC on that casinos. That's why at first we should read the TOS to prepare for some possible trouble in future since there are casinos lies that they don't require their users to submit their KYC but later on they ask that since they make an excuse that they found a suspicious activity happened on their account. That's why at this moment I don't trust those new casino claiming that they don't require KYC since we know how it will end up in long run playing at their casino. Better to choose reputable casino when submitting this KYC details since its better to be safe than getting compromised by scam casino asking or collecting peoples personal details.

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Quote from: Agbe on September 29, 2023, 04:51:14 PM

Quote from: terrific on September 29, 2023, 04:41:44 PM

Quote from: dezoel on September 29, 2023, 07:48:19 AM

Most casinos these days that are operating under a license would ask for KYC verification at some point and they don't mention anything about it beforehand, though they will have it in their terms and conditions and most gamblers don't really read the terms and conditions unless they get in trouble.

I think all of them are telling that on their t & c and it's just that we're not reading it. And we get surprised when we gamble and not expecting to get kyced.
But then, when it comes, that becomes shocking as if that they will never ask that but in fact that it's on their t & c. We just ignored it even if the possibility was there.

Guy to read terms and conditions is not easy because the articles are always very long though it is very much important to read before gambling and doing anything in the site but because of the length of the article many gamblers didn't read before entering the casino site and deposit and start to play games and when they win and want to withdraw, they will be asked to provide the KYC and in that process many were asked to go back and read the T/C.

Yeah, they're long but get to those important points about the details for kyc. But what happens is we do get there when something happens.
We go back to the long articles and message about the t & c and then we read the actual part that we need to read.
I guess that's how the process for most gamblers when a sudden kyc is being done for the gamblers that are about to withdraw.

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It's up to you whether you continue using their platform to gamble if you see that in their TOS right away. Because it looks bad when you read their toss and then whine when you take back what you won. You almost seem to be deluding yourself.

However, if you gamble without seeing it in the toss, and then there is a sudden kyc when you withdraw, you can calm down and stop griping until they unexpectedly added a policy like that to their toss. You can decide whether you don't have anything against it after reading their regulations.

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It's really unfair and frustrating. It can lead to players being unable to withdraw their winnings even if they have won fairly.

To be honest many gambling websites have such easy registration system. No business whats to give their potential customers some hard time and risk to lose the customer.

Even with some of the fiat casinos [as far as I can remember] you will not be asked for anything before even depositing. When you will try to withdraw winning then they will ask for a full KYC.

As some others already suggested, read terms and conditions. There are nothing to feel unfair. You will feel frustrated if you fail to understand the contract between a casino and you.

You are correct in saying that no business wants to give their potential customers a hard time, but you think it's fine for them to not ask KYC and let you deposit only to give the customer a hard time later?

I would rather if KYC is required that they do it before I make any sort of deposit. Yes, people should read the ToS, but how many actually do?

It would obviously make things easier and less confusing or troublesome for most gamblers if casinos start asking for KYC verification before a user makes a deposit or when they try to make a deposit if they actually have the requirement for KYC verification in their terms and conditions and if a user can't comply with it and can't complete their verification, they should simply not allow them to make a deposit and they would rather choose another platform.

But they probably don't do it because they know that a lot of gamblers might not be able to complete their KYC verification later and they will be compelled to just leave their balance in the casino when they can't do anything about it but if they don't allow deposits, the money they get from these gamblers will be gone.

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Quote from: 8rch7 on September 29, 2023, 04:01:12 PM

Some casino adopted with KYC because government regulation, protecting from money laundering make them have to require with KYC or their operation will stop by government if mustn't for all casino user have verifying their document.

It is all the reason why most casinos today are asking for KYC. That's because they're pressured by the government or if not pressured, they're just compliant and coordinating with what's implemented on them. Services like them are really prone to the money laundering activities and that's how they protect their business at the same time. While many doesn't seem to like these actions made by the casinos, they can't do anything about it because that's the policy. They can do some exception but one thing is for sure, that's like a rare case. So if they violate or try to implement what's against the rules and policies of their government, their business is at risk and they can go out of business as soon as possible the government releases a statement that they didn't coordinated and participated to the governing rules about running a casino and policies check each of their customers through KYC.

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Quote from: Wiwo on September 29, 2023, 03:10:02 PM

Yes before you choose a casino to play on, you need to have a settlement of mind before you consider them, for instance in making the choice either to do KYC or not and this should be the determinants point of choosing the site.

Casinos have no right to not ask for customer kyc documents since they have to comply with the government rules on anti-money laundering and the rest of the laws attached to the licensing, those that do not want to comply with kyc demands have to look else where fhat doesn't demand kyc such as decentralized casinos.

Some casino adopted with KYC because government regulation, protecting from money laundering make them have to require with KYC or their operation will stop by government if mustn't for all casino user have verifying their document. For the future, not difference or worry when verifying casino account because our document have been publish early with exchange market account. Why must aware when some casino have regulation for verifying document ID if want withdraw amount in casino account?
Don't be blame when CEX exchange make regulation for all user have to verifying account there are not any complaint, its risk when active in casino site have allow what rule or term of service in casino site.

I can't seems to figure out what you are saying and the only thing that I can frame out of your comment is how gambling and exchange collect customers data to comply with government regulations, but you failed to add your own contribution to the discussion and at that it has limit my limits of respond otherwise I could have have other things to comment on from your own opinion.

But one thing for sure is that, CEX casinos or exchanges will forever ask for KYC, which is their right and the customers have to settle with that first before any other thing.

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Quote from: Agbe on September 29, 2023, 04:51:14 PM

Quote from: terrific on September 29, 2023, 04:41:44 PM

Quote from: dezoel on September 29, 2023, 07:48:19 AM

Most casinos these days that are operating under a license would ask for KYC verification at some point and they don't mention anything about it beforehand, though they will have it in their terms and conditions and most gamblers don't really read the terms and conditions unless they get in trouble.

I think all of them are telling that on their t & c and it's just that we're not reading it. And we get surprised when we gamble and not expecting to get kyced.
But then, when it comes, that becomes shocking as if that they will never ask that but in fact that it's on their t & c. We just ignored it even if the possibility was there.

Guy to read terms and conditions is not easy because the articles are always very long though it is very much important to read before gambling and doing anything in the site but because of the length of the article many gamblers didn't read before entering the casino site and deposit and start to play games and when they win and want to withdraw, they will be asked to provide the KYC and in that process many were asked to go back and read the T/C.

Very normal approach on which you would really be skipping on reading up that long pile of text on which even myself do really get bored on watching those first and skipping out directly and checking out

that tick box and then proceed with that registration.We are all guilty with this on which on the time that you would really be suffering some issues then this is the only time that you would really be
reconsidering on reading up those terms once again and you would really just realize that you had missed out on reading those terms and would be accepting that it was your fault
on why you had violated something and in result? Locked up funds and it s would really be just that a waste of money in that case.

These businesses are really that centralized and regulated on which means that they do comply government rules and terms on which means that
KYC would really be always in line with this kind of situation considering that outgoing and income funds are really that involved huge money.

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Quote from: terrific on September 29, 2023, 04:41:44 PM

Quote from: dezoel on September 29, 2023, 07:48:19 AM

Most casinos these days that are operating under a license would ask for KYC verification at some point and they don't mention anything about it beforehand, though they will have it in their terms and conditions and most gamblers don't really read the terms and conditions unless they get in trouble.

I think all of them are telling that on their t & c and it's just that we're not reading it. And we get surprised when we gamble and not expecting to get kyced.
But then, when it comes, that becomes shocking as if that they will never ask that but in fact that it's on their t & c. We just ignored it even if the possibility was there.

Guy to read terms and conditions is not easy because the articles are always very long though it is very much important to read before gambling and doing anything in the site but because of the length of the article many gamblers didn't read before entering the casino site and deposit and start to play games and when they win and want to withdraw, they will be asked to provide the KYC and in that process many were asked to go back and read the T/C.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 29, 2023, 07:48:19 AM

Most casinos these days that are operating under a license would ask for KYC verification at some point and they don't mention anything about it beforehand, though they will have it in their terms and conditions and most gamblers don't really read the terms and conditions unless they get in trouble.

I think all of them are telling that on their t & c and it's just that we're not reading it. And we get surprised when we gamble and not expecting to get kyced.
But then, when it comes, that becomes shocking as if that they will never ask that but in fact that it's on their t & c. We just ignored it even if the possibility was there.

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