Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 67.

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Quote from: serjent05 on September 25, 2023, 06:10:25 AM

I agree, I happened to stumble on a casino that has no KYC on their terms and conditions but on the separate document of terms of privacy, they had this clause of right to gather user information such as full name, address etc.. and the requirement of ID submission. That is plainly deceiving the players by creating another form of agreement through privacy terms. So I guess casino players must not only browse the Terms and conditions but also other documents that has something to do with casino players ' terms of agreement.

Thanks for sharing this experience. I never thought this possibility since I only use find function on ToS to locate the KYC claus of the casino.

I think it will be helpful to remember golden rule with regards to KYC that every casino with license to operate are deemed to ask KYC since it's the law requirements while casino that doesn't have license that still ask for KYC is doing unregulated way on gathering user information since they are not allowed to that unless the law dictates it.

Yeah, if KYC is a big concern for you, then you must read all the terms of services, privacy and every other link which takes you to the documentation of the casino. Also, if possible better see the reviews of the people and confirm if they are being able to withdraw with KYC and they are not asked for the KYC later. You need to do this research before playing at the casino, else you may face an awkward situation where you would not be able to withdraw, unless you do your KYC.

On the other hand, if KYC is not a problem for you, then be ready with all the KYC documents, as the non-KYC casino can ask for KYC anytime especially when you try to withdraw any big amount from the casino.

Research and in depth pointing out of those important information should really be something that you would really be trying out to check because if you do just making yourself in a hurry to play without even trying to look with those information and then it would really be just shocking you at the end that you cant really be able to pull out your funds because something like this and like that. Majority of the platforms that we do have today arent asking out some upfront KYC but they could really be possibly be able to ask out on the time that they would see someone who had violate their terms and conditions on which it would really be just that a normal approach or kind of act for them to do so. Trying out to make some argumentation basing up on what they have done? As long you dont be able to read up their terms and conditions since from the start
then you would really be having that guilt or something that odd feeling on trying out to fight for your right even if you are aware or wary that you have missed out on reading those things in the first place.
Gambling platforms are really that centralized and its really just normal that chances or tendency that they would be asking out that kind of verification on the time that they do see something.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on September 25, 2023, 08:24:47 AM

Quote from: serjent05 on September 25, 2023, 06:10:25 AM

I agree, I happened to stumble on a casino that has no KYC on their terms and conditions but on the separate document of terms of privacy, they had this clause of right to gather user information such as full name, address etc.. and the requirement of ID submission. That is plainly deceiving the players by creating another form of agreement through privacy terms. So I guess casino players must not only browse the Terms and conditions but also other documents that has something to do with casino players ' terms of agreement.

Thanks for sharing this experience. I never thought this possibility since I only use find function on ToS to locate the KYC claus of the casino.

I think it will be helpful to remember golden rule with regards to KYC that every casino with license to operate are deemed to ask KYC since it's the law requirements while casino that doesn't have license that still ask for KYC is doing unregulated way on gathering user information since they are not allowed to that unless the law dictates it.

Yeah, if KYC is a big concern for you, then you must read all the terms of services, privacy and every other link which takes you to the documentation of the casino. Also, if possible better see the reviews of the people and confirm if they are being able to withdraw with KYC and they are not asked for the KYC later. You need to do this research before playing at the casino, else you may face an awkward situation where you would not be able to withdraw, unless you do your KYC.

On the other hand, if KYC is not a problem for you, then be ready with all the KYC documents, as the non-KYC casino can ask for KYC anytime especially when you try to withdraw any big amount from the casino.

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I think I agree with the thesis that it is wrong to completely ignore new casinos on the gambling market.
Simply because in life quite often you want to see something new for yourself, and in new casinos, in addition to interesting interfaces, which also entertains, there may be other new games that you had no idea about before, playing in the old and well-known ones. time-tested casinos. Here, it seems to me that the most reasonable approach is to occasionally try to play in a new casino with small deposits. It may well turn out that you will like it.

I also don't find anything wrong in trying a new casino platform as long as someone isn't making very large deposits and is just making the minimal deposit only to try out the platform or the games it offers, one might get good bonuses and knows, maybe even complete the wagering requirement somehow and be able to withdraw some money from that new casino. Such things might not happen very often but they do happen sometimes and there is nothing wrong in trying your luck.

However, I'm not a fan of doing KYC verification at a brand new casino platform, and if a casino asks you to complete your KYC verification at the initial stage, maybe you should not do that because we never really know what happens after some time since a lot of platform also turn out to be scams later.

When you are tending to test up some new platforms then it would really be just that wise that you should really be looking for some relevant words or feedbacks into those people who had actually make out
some dealing with that new site but if you arent that convinced then you could really test out for yourself but as said it would be ideal that it would really be just tested out with small amounts if you dont
really like to suffer if ever you had stepped your foot into the wrong site or scam site but we know that those old timers or reputable ones are once that a new site on which people cant really be
avoided for you not to hesitate on having those first time tries specially if they are just new but it turns out that they had successfully be able to hook up people via giving those best service and
gamblers experience which is something a very standard that they would really be needing to consider. It would really be survival for the fittest and to those who wont really be able to
do so will surely be beaten up by the competition.

Here a rather interesting question from human psychology immediately arises. How often do you want to change the casino you’ve been playing at for a long time and which you’re already tired of? I think that the solution to such a question always depends heavily on the character of the person. There are probably people who, for many years, have been playing only in one old casino and never think about the new experience of playing in other casinos. But this is most likely a very rare case. Basically, players change casinos, I think, on average once every six months. But of course, I’m not a sociologist, I don’t know the exact answer. But surely such scientific research is being carried out.
If you know about such studies or you have your own experience of replacing casinos before your games and several times already, write. Am I right that after half a year casino games get boring? Or do you solve this issue yourself much faster?

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Quote from: serjent05 on September 25, 2023, 06:10:25 AM

I agree, I happened to stumble on a casino that has no KYC on their terms and conditions but on the separate document of terms of privacy, they had this clause of right to gather user information such as full name, address etc.. and the requirement of ID submission. That is plainly deceiving the players by creating another form of agreement through privacy terms. So I guess casino players must not only browse the Terms and conditions but also other documents that has something to do with casino players ' terms of agreement.

Thanks for sharing this experience. I never thought this possibility since I only use find function on ToS to locate the KYC claus of the casino.

I think it will be helpful to remember golden rule with regards to KYC that every casino with license to operate are deemed to ask KYC since it's the law requirements while casino that doesn't have license that still ask for KYC is doing unregulated way on gathering user information since they are not allowed to that unless the law dictates it.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 23, 2023, 03:54:54 PM

I bet those gamblers that are lazy to read the Terms of Service will be surprised once they are done playing and try to withdraw to get a notification that they have to provide KYC in order to process their withdrawal. So it should be an SOP to read the terms of the casino before depositing any amount of money, if unsure of the terms we can always reach out to the support chat to inquire something that we do not understand.

Well, I bet you that most gamblers never read the terms of services of any service provider. Any user must realize that he should verify his identity regardless of the service he is using. Some services may claim they will never ask you to verify your I dentity, but we all know this is not true. The moment you sign up on a centralized casino, you shld know you are supposed to verify your identity at any moment.

I agree, I happened to stumble on a casino that has no KYC on their terms and conditions but on the separate document of terms of privacy, they had this clause of right to gather user information such as full name, address etc.. and the requirement of ID submission. That is plainly deceiving the players by creating another form of agreement through privacy terms. So I guess casino players must not only browse the Terms and conditions but also other documents that has something to do with casino players ' terms of agreement.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 24, 2023, 10:09:16 PM

That is a common practice nowadays , specially those site that wanted to take that advantage towards their questionable players.
actually mostly the problem is that People/gamblers are lazy to check the rules of each sites in which indicated their right to do KYC at any time and chances.

Yeah. Most people don't bother reading the TOS properly in literally any site out there(Not just gambling sites) since they are very lengthy and they cannot understand half of the stuff written.

The small percentage of people who do read it properly can still get screwed if the site changes its TOS later and they don't check the changes.

If they don't want to read the TOS even to find out the important parts, they could experience difficulties later, especially when they want to withdraw their money. Usually, that is the difficulty or problem they will encounter and most gamblers will say that the casino is a scam and spread such news to many sites.

Even though it was their own fault for not wanting to read the TOS, they experienced problems. If they take a little time to understand the TOS, they won't have any problems. But not all gamblers are like that because there are gamblers who want to read the TOS.

We should read it for our own good to avoid such problems. We also don't want to experience various things when we want to withdraw money, which will delay us from withdrawing the money.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 24, 2023, 10:09:16 PM

That is a common practice nowadays , specially those site that wanted to take that advantage towards their questionable players.
actually mostly the problem is that People/gamblers are lazy to check the rules of each sites in which indicated their right to do KYC at any time and chances.

Yeah. Most people don't bother reading the TOS properly in literally any site out there(Not just gambling sites) since they are very lengthy and they cannot understand half of the stuff written.

The small percentage of people who do read it properly can still get screwed if the site changes its TOS later and they don't check the changes.

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That is a common practice nowadays , specially those site that wanted to take that advantage towards their questionable players.
actually mostly the problem is that People/gamblers are lazy to check the rules of each sites in which indicated their right to do KYC at any time and chances.
they will let you deposit and play even if they are seeing flags in your account and activity , but don't believe that you can fool them because in the end? it is your funds that will be at stake .

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Quote from: Taskford on September 24, 2023, 07:41:39 AM

If they are not always present on any gambling discussions for sure majority of them ignore reading that because they think that rules in gambling casinos are universal then assume that its the same with other casino.

This is the reason why many fail and been caught up and ended up violating some rules because they don't know or aware about what they do that's why its important to read each TOS of casino so that we can stay safe and also aware about possible violations that we can possibly tap on their casino.

And this is a problem, while on average the rules of most casinos should be similar and in many cases they could be almost the same, we still need to read the TOS of the casinos before we open an account, as if for some reason you were to break their rules then you will find it difficult to withdraw your money.

This is often the case with the list of forbidden countries, in which a casino may allow a gambler playing at a specific country while another casino may ban it, and if you open an account in a casino from a forbidden jurisdiction then you will suffer a lot to recover your money.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on September 18, 2023, 04:59:22 PM

There's what you fail to understand.... They've got T/C's and that should be Thier modus operandi..yeahh? Anything outside that isn't accountable to them... There's no casino that'll hide Thier KYC preference and remind of it when you wanna withdraw... They won't just bother you or make it compulsory at the start,...but ofcourse that gives everyone the privilege to think of boycotting their rules, that's also exactly where the problem comes...

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What some people failed to understand is that, once a casino have a set standard rules, their tend to follow such rules till the end, this is because before the implementation of any action concerning denied withdrawal, the gambler should have already noticed that if within th right of fhs casino to demand for kyc verification flr amou ts greater to the AML set standard requirements.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 23, 2023, 03:54:54 PM

I bet those gamblers that are lazy to read the Terms of Service will be surprised once they are done playing and try to withdraw to get a notification that they have to provide KYC in order to process their withdrawal. So it should be an SOP to read the terms of the casino before depositing any amount of money, if unsure of the terms we can always reach out to the support chat to inquire something that we do not understand.

I believe that it is fair for any casino to request KYC verification procedures immediately after the user registers, and this is because it wants to comply with legislation and licenses. There does not seem to be any escape from KYC procedures for any central platform, so do not believe any platform that says that it does not impose these procedures, because this falls within the framework of a promotional campaign for itself, and some may argue with any reason to impose these procedures. This has nothing to do with any possible suspicious activity on any of the accounts because that is what the result will be most often.

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Quote from: Taskford on September 24, 2023, 07:41:39 AM

This is the reason why many fail and been caught up and ended up violating some rules because they don't know or aware about what they do that's why its important to read each TOS of casino so that we can stay safe and also aware about possible violations that we can possibly tap on their casino.

It doesn't sound strange in this forum because very often we see cases like that where they complain about KYC problems just because they didn't read the TOS of the casino itself, even though it is important to know more about the casino's requirements while we can also see whether the casino implements KYC or not. not in full, sometimes there are also casinos that trap their users and make it difficult for their users to process KYC so they can take away their users' money.

But there are also those whose funds or accounts are temporarily suspended until the KYC process is completed, usually the user commits a violation so they have to be asked to complete KYC, in fact for large casinos it may not be necessary to have KYC level 2 and without having to send our identity except for KYC level 1, even still can withdraw thousands of dollars, and what's more, reading won't get us into trouble at the casino

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Quote from: MoonbetEcosystem on September 24, 2023, 04:17:58 AM

If you are looking for an established casino (launched in September 2021) that is trustworthy that DOES NOT require KYC for players to register, play or withdraw, then visit Moonbet.io

You're a representative of the casino and yet you're still want to lie with other people, there's no such not aware when you're the one who launch your own casino.

Quote from: https://docs.moonbet.io/info/terms-and-condition

3.3.13 We reserve the right to make a phone call to the number provided in your user account, which at our own discretion can be a necessary part of the KYC procedure. Withdrawals may be terminated until the account is fully verified. We will make reasonable efforts trying to contact you regarding the withdrawal of the funds, but if we are not able to reach you (by email or phone) in two (2) weeks as from the date of the request for withdrawal, account will be locked, since you have failed to pass the KYC procedure.

But it's nothing surprising because your account get red tagged because you're not being transparent about the winner in your promotion, means you're not an established casino.

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You may be making such comments without looking at the TOS in its entirety. Every casino site covers two major factors very well. Those are deposits and withdrawals. Most of the time what we do is to register at a casino or gambling site without doing TOS. When we face any problem and make a claim with that site, we should read their terms and conditions completely. In general, all well-intentioned sites strive to maximize the benefits of their clients. If a fake site or a site is launched for scamming, it must not follow any rules. They will try to fall their customers in trap.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 23, 2023, 03:54:54 PM

I bet those gamblers that are lazy to read the Terms of Service will be surprised once they are done playing and try to withdraw to get a notification that they have to provide KYC in order to process their withdrawal. So it should be an SOP to read the terms of the casino before depositing any amount of money, if unsure of the terms we can always reach out to the support chat to inquire something that we do not understand.

That is if the gambler does not want to read the rules at the casino or does not pay attention to the terms and conditions before they take the bonus. Usually, this is what happens most often to many gamblers, especially beginner gamblers, who they don't pay attention to the terms and conditions at the casino. If gamblers make it a habit always to read the terms and conditions at the casino, at least it can reduce the problems that can arise when they try to make a withdrawal because they know what to do before gambling at the casino. And if they object to the terms and regulations at the casino, they can look for any other casino they want. And yes, contacting customer service is something they can do if they don't understand the rules and avoid problems later.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on September 23, 2023, 06:16:46 PM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 23, 2023, 03:54:54 PM

I bet those gamblers that are lazy to read the Terms of Service will be surprised once they are done playing and try to withdraw to get a notification that they have to provide KYC in order to process their withdrawal. So it should be an SOP to read the terms of the casino before depositing any amount of money, if unsure of the terms we can always reach out to the support chat to inquire something that we do not understand.

Well, I bet you that most gamblers never read the terms of services of any service provider. Any user must realize that he should verify his identity regardless of the service he is using. Some services may claim they will never ask you to verify your I dentity, but we all know this is not true. The moment you sign up on a centralized casino, you shld know you are supposed to verify your identity at any moment.

If they are not always present on any gambling discussions for sure majority of them ignore reading that because they think that rules in gambling casinos are universal then assume that its the same with other casino.

This is the reason why many fail and been caught up and ended up violating some rules because they don't know or aware about what they do that's why its important to read each TOS of casino so that we can stay safe and also aware about possible violations that we can possibly tap on their casino.

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If you are looking for an established casino (launched in September 2021) that is trustworthy that DOES NOT require KYC for players to register, play or withdraw, then visit Moonbet.io

As we offer a web3 wallet connection via MetaMask or WalletConnect, players can seamlessly register, send funds, and withdraw without any issues.

With full disclosure, we occasionally have to manually review withdrawals, so sometimes first withdrawals of larger amounts can require a waiting period of 2 to 4 hours. Otherwise, all withdrawals are instantly made back to your registered wallet!

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on September 23, 2023, 05:35:34 PM

Most of them only require KYC if needed such as if you have suspicious activity and/or has met the withdrawal limit for KYC-free users.

Mate, you can't apply that term in casinos outside of crypto. They are more regulated compared to crypto-casino. There are lots of crypto casinos here and yet OP ended up on a casino like that since I believed he was amazed with the promotional bonuses.

One tip: if users have shown interest in such bonuses, and I also mentioned it before on other thread, it's really necessary to read the terms about:

- KYC
- deposit and withdrawal
- supported country
- terms of the bonuses and promotions

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 23, 2023, 03:54:54 PM

I bet those gamblers that are lazy to read the Terms of Service will be surprised once they are done playing and try to withdraw to get a notification that they have to provide KYC in order to process their withdrawal. So it should be an SOP to read the terms of the casino before depositing any amount of money, if unsure of the terms we can always reach out to the support chat to inquire something that we do not understand.

Well, I bet you that most gamblers never read the terms of services of any service provider. Any user must realize that he should verify his identity regardless of the service he is using. Some services may claim they will never ask you to verify your I dentity, but we all know this is not true. The moment you sign up on a centralized casino, you shld know you are supposed to verify your identity at any moment.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the casino mentioned is a fiat online casino and crypto is just a part of the deposit option.

As a regular lurker at those types of casinos, KYC is already a usual thing there and something users need to expect. It's not new. If that casino is generally a full crypto-casino, that's the time I will question the mandatory needs of KYC during a withdrawal. Almost the entire online fiat casinos need KYC for withdrawal purposes and in fact, there's a time I even ask where the deposit came from. After that, my withdrawal became smooth.

It's really hassle to withdraw from a fiat casino over crypto casino.

From now on, just stick with a full crypto-casino if users don't want to end up like that. Just to minimize being sh*t and will complain later on.

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