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Quote from: vaulter on June 25, 2016, 03:19:44 PM

pure speculations :-)
gtx 1070 on the way to me... let's see if I can fix neoscrypt on it.

And a dark knight appears. There is a guy in the Eth miner thread and also post here stating that the bug with NeoS was due to a WDDM issue, which will be fixed in this coming month. He has details on it as well.

Good news everyone - the driver for both Win 78/Win 10 insider preview should be available next week - on this driver all Pascal GPUs are able to do the same as on Linux on ether in Win 10 Insider preview without any change
But with Win 7/8 and other algos for win 10 insider preview devs need to take action
If any devs are interested in details PM me - Genoil is informed, it would be nice to fix neoscrypt - if anyone is up to the task - welcome

He explained it differently in Genoil's thread. Something about block size.

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 30, 2016, 05:54:34 AM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 04:49:47 PM

Quote from: bensam1231 on June 29, 2016, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 11:25:20 AM

With difficulty of Ethereum jumping by 35% in 3/4 weeks Shocked

Do you reckon ASIC mining hardware is shipping amongst insiders?

From Dash coin, engineers where making small batches of ASIC X11 miners, long before commercial products became available to the community in April this year!

No... Dagger is designed in a way that makes it extremely ASIC resistant (in addition to being better 'gpu' resistant). This is just megafarms scaling up in addition to all the Eth babies.

It's more like someone ( i.e. Genesis etc.) bought batch of 1070s or 1080s or 480s... and paid someone to make /adapt miner...

Trend starts before all 3 cards began shipping.

12Ths increase in difficulty every 4 weeks, looks more like a small batch private ASIC hardware is shipping out each month.

I just mentioned it: people might be rushing out to buy more GPUs for Dagger, when ROI is looking unlikely!

chinese can add gpu like you add cheerios to your cup of milk

30 gpu = 1 tera, so that s 360 gpu, which is nothing for some folks

i doubt there are asic for this, too hard and too costly to do

They may be costly to produce, but they are out there!

When Ethereum crashed below 0.014BTC Shocked

10THS of difficulty disappeared Shocked

There was no increase in hashpower on Lyra2v2 or neoscrypt Alts Grin

Locked hashpower on Dagger algorithm is summarised as: ASIC Hardware Wink

Big investors have dumped all their positions in EXPANSE, because they know there are ASICs out there.

just lag i think , it would be stupid to spend million for an asic chip that can mine ethereum at current rate which is not so profitable like in the good old days

Quote from: bathrobehero on June 30, 2016, 06:54:36 PM

pure speculations :-)
gtx 1070 on the way to me... let's see if I can fix neoscrypt on it.

good to hear, i hope you can fix it and increase to 1200-1300 khs

ASICs can hash exponentially faster then GPUs... BTC for instance. A 1070 would hash at a fraction of a percent of a current ASIC. Depending on how fast they can speed up their ASICs, they could potentially outrun the difficulty increase, since it's not a reduction in block reward... Although I don't know how long they could do that for.

OK, I can tell you don't understand the R&D process.

Essentially, engineers look at GPU, with best performance and put together a cheaper (ASIC) prototype, but these have to be produced in batches of 500-1,000.

These prototype batches, strip the extra GPU functions not necessary to hashing the algorithm.

The engineers keep repeating this process with each batch of prototypes.

This process is done in secret and is self-financing so long as news never gets out that this is being done, because the prototype batches produce Alt Coins, which can be sold for BTC and converted into cash to pay for the next generation of prototypes.

What the engineers are hoping for is some kind of breakthrough, in this process, which produces chip design that makes vastly more hash output per a unit of electricity.

On Dash, X11 prototype batches where being produced 6 months, before the engineers made the breakthrough.

The situation on Ethereum is slightly different, the prototype batches have become highly lucrative with Ethereum prices about 0.014BTC to 0.028BTC.

So, those engineers who are working on Dagger algorithm are simply chucking out bigger and bigger batches of the prototypes Wink

Not sure how any of what I said would constitute that I don't know how ASICs are funded or made.

That aside, I believe you're thinking of FPGAs... ASICs are generally built from the ground up, which is why they're financially much more intensive then FPGAs and also take much longer to construct and bring to market (or to mine with, whatever you choose), but also yield much better results.

Also once again aside, there are plenty of ASIC makers that were crowd funded off of BCT, check the forums.

In other news, DO NOT buy the Zotac 1XXX models. The amp edition cooler is garbage. The shroud and backplate wraps the card so tightly there is no room for airflow compared to other manufacturers cards, which is really quite funny because the coolers and cards themselves feel quite solid. I'm currently in the process of removing them.

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Considering Eth's market cap and profitability (eg. total daily mined coins in BTC) I'm preeeeetty sure someone figured out how to solve the TLB trashing issue and have a crazy high efficiency we could only ever dream of.

In fact I'd go ahead and guess that there might even be private ASICs simply because they would reach ROI way before PoS (which will very likely be late anyway).

People with deep pockets will jump the gun and spend crazy amounts of money when it comes to such high marketcap coins. And they can also manipulate the market to their will.

I mean Eth is the second biggest coin ever and look at how much money was sank into developing ASICs for BTC.

,

JUST SUPPOSING--

There was a basic design with 3GB shared common memory, a chip to communicate with the ETH pool and load the DAG on the memory, and 16-64 ASIC chips to hash the DAG independantly, send their hash through the COMM chip, and do the work of a GPU, but specialized, stripped down for only hashing the DAG. Think it would fit in a shoe box? Run on 25% of the power needed for 16 GPUS? Deploy prior to the POS phase? --scryptr

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Considering Eth's market cap and profitability (eg. total daily mined coins in BTC) I'm preeeeetty sure someone figured out how to solve the TLB trashing issue and have a crazy high efficiency we could only ever dream of.

In fact I'd go ahead and guess that there might even be private ASICs simply because they would reach ROI way before PoS (which will very likely be late anyway).

People with deep pockets will jump the gun and spend crazy amounts of money when it comes to such high marketcap coins. And they can also manipulate the market to their will.

I mean Eth is the second biggest coin ever and look at how much money was sank into developing ASICs for BTC.

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Quote from: pallas on June 30, 2016, 08:24:39 AM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 30, 2016, 08:22:34 AM

Quote from: Amph on June 30, 2016, 07:51:48 AM

yes but the current network is filled with something like 120K gpu, assuming 30MH for each gpu

we can assume that each miner in the world even newbie, can easily add 1/3, i mean a guy with one rig can without problem add 2 gpu to his mining setup every month(actually i think he can add much more the increase is not linear is somehow exponential...)

so the whole network can grow by 1/3 each month, which is 12k gpu, so 360 GH, and this by counting the bar minimum that anyone can add to his farm

A GPU crypto coin only needs to produce $5 million worth Alt Coins, before engineers start making prototype ASIC hardware for it's algorithim.

Ethereum is well over that threshold.

Where did you get that information? How is it calculated?

EDIT: BTW it's offtopic

Look at Dash coin POW stats for 2015

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Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 30, 2016, 08:22:34 AM

Quote from: Amph on June 30, 2016, 07:51:48 AM

yes but the current network is filled with something like 120K gpu, assuming 30MH for each gpu

we can assume that each miner in the world even newbie, can easily add 1/3, i mean a guy with one rig can without problem add 2 gpu to his mining setup every month(actually i think he can add much more the increase is not linear is somehow exponential...)

so the whole network can grow by 1/3 each month, which is 12k gpu, so 360 GH, and this by counting the bar minimum that anyone can add to his farm

A GPU crypto coin only needs to produce $5 million worth Alt Coins, before engineers start making prototype ASIC hardware for it's algorithim.

Ethereum is well over that threshold.

Where did you get that information? How is it calculated?

EDIT: BTW it's offtopic

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Quote from: Amph on June 30, 2016, 07:51:48 AM

yes but the current network is filled with something like 120K gpu, assuming 30MH for each gpu

we can assume that each miner in the world even newbie, can easily add 1/3, i mean a guy with one rig can without problem add 2 gpu to his mining setup every month(actually i think he can add much more the increase is not linear is somehow exponential...)

so the whole network can grow by 1/3 each month, which is 12k gpu, so 360 GH, and this by counting the bar minimum that anyone can add to his farm

A GPU crypto coin only needs to produce $5 million worth Alt Coins per annum, before engineers start making prototype ASIC hardware for it's algorithim.

Ethereum is well over that threshold.

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yes but the current network is filled with something like 120K gpu, assuming 30MH for each gpu

we can assume that each miner in the world even newbie, can easily add 1/3, i mean a guy with one rig can without problem add 2 gpu to his mining setup every month(actually i think he can add much more the increase is not linear is somehow exponential...)

so the whole network can grow by 1/3 each month, which is 12k gpu, so 360 GH, and this by counting the bar minimum that anyone can add to his farm

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Quote from: Amph on June 30, 2016, 07:18:02 AM

i'm not saying that it's not possible, but there is too much risk for them for something that is supposed to go pos in few months

they need to invest upfront a very big portion of their money, it is more easy for them to simply buy gpu at this point...

Specs for Ethereum, found this from an obscure citation on the internet, so I cannot say for certain it is correct (SO READ WITH CAUTION).

60 million Ether - Crowdfunding sale prior to August 2015.

12 million Ether - Allocated to long-term development fund.

18 million Ether - allocated to POW mining.

Total supply is: 90 million Ether, before POS and POS will be targeted towards zero inflation.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Currently supply is 81.5 million.

That means another 8.5 million Ether still to be mined at POW.

This means POW will end in 9 months time, plenty of reasons for engineers to be working ASIC Hardware.

At current prices: $106 million worth of Ether is still available on POW!

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i'm not saying that it's not possible, but there is too much risk for them for something that is supposed to go pos in few months

they need to invest upfront a very big portion of their money, it is more easy for them to simply buy gpu at this point...

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Quote from: Amph on June 30, 2016, 06:50:53 AM

Quote from: pallas on June 30, 2016, 06:45:34 AM

this assumes that you know the gpu chip structure... not sure nvidia or amd want to share that with anybody Wink

unless it's themselves doing that.

yeah he is putting it like they can simply look at the circuit and replicate the chip and everything perfectly, also designing a chip it's not free...

it does not work like this, all i know is that is very easy for a big farm to add other gpu in their already big farm

a 1000 gpu farm can easily add 100 gpu each week, which is 12GH a month, network is onyl 3.85 tera currently

Well, the engineers who produced the Dash X11 ASICs have published a lot on how they did it?

The engineers trying to break the Dagger Algorithm aren't going to be working any differently? Are they?

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Quote from: pallas on June 30, 2016, 06:45:34 AM

this assumes that you know the gpu chip structure... not sure nvidia or amd want to share that with anybody Wink

unless it's themselves doing that.

yeah he is putting it like they can simply look at the circuit and replicate the chip and everything perfectly, also designing a chip it's not free...

it does not work like this, all i know is that is very easy for a big farm to add other gpu in their already big farm

a 1000 gpu farm can easily add 100 gpu each week, which is 12GH a month, network is onyl 3.85 tera currently

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this assumes that you know the gpu chip structure... not sure nvidia or amd want to share that with anybody Wink

unless it's themselves doing that.

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Quote from: bensam1231 on June 30, 2016, 06:13:56 AM

Quote from: vaulter on June 25, 2016, 03:19:44 PM

pure speculations :-)
gtx 1070 on the way to me... let's see if I can fix neoscrypt on it.

And a dark knight appears. There is a guy in the Eth miner thread and also post here stating that the bug with NeoS was due to a WDDM issue, which will be fixed in this coming month. He has details on it as well.

Good news everyone - the driver for both Win 78/Win 10 insider preview should be available next week - on this driver all Pascal GPUs are able to do the same as on Linux on ether in Win 10 Insider preview without any change
But with Win 7/8 and other algos for win 10 insider preview devs need to take action
If any devs are interested in details PM me - Genoil is informed, it would be nice to fix neoscrypt - if anyone is up to the task - welcome

He explained it differently in Genoil's thread. Something about block size.

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 30, 2016, 05:54:34 AM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 04:49:47 PM

Quote from: bensam1231 on June 29, 2016, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 11:25:20 AM

With difficulty of Ethereum jumping by 35% in 3/4 weeks Shocked

Do you reckon ASIC mining hardware is shipping amongst insiders?

From Dash coin, engineers where making small batches of ASIC X11 miners, long before commercial products became available to the community in April this year!

No... Dagger is designed in a way that makes it extremely ASIC resistant (in addition to being better 'gpu' resistant). This is just megafarms scaling up in addition to all the Eth babies.

It's more like someone ( i.e. Genesis etc.) bought batch of 1070s or 1080s or 480s... and paid someone to make /adapt miner...

Trend starts before all 3 cards began shipping.

12Ths increase in difficulty every 4 weeks, looks more like a small batch private ASIC hardware is shipping out each month.

I just mentioned it: people might be rushing out to buy more GPUs for Dagger, when ROI is looking unlikely!

chinese can add gpu like you add cheerios to your cup of milk

30 gpu = 1 tera, so that s 360 gpu, which is nothing for some folks

i doubt there are asic for this, too hard and too costly to do

They may be costly to produce, but they are out there!

When Ethereum crashed below 0.014BTC Shocked

10THS of difficulty disappeared Shocked

There was no increase in hashpower on Lyra2v2 or neoscrypt Alts Grin

Locked hashpower on Dagger algorithm is summarised as: ASIC Hardware Wink

Big investors have dumped all their positions in EXPANSE, because they know there are ASICs out there.

just lag i think , it would be stupid to spend million for an asic chip that can mine ethereum at current rate which is not so profitable like in the good old days

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 30, 2016, 06:08:16 AM

pure speculations :-)
gtx 1070 on the way to me... let's see if I can fix neoscrypt on it.

good to hear, i hope you can fix it and increase to 1200-1300 khs

ASICs can hash exponentially faster then GPUs... BTC for instance. A 1070 would hash at a fraction of a percent of a current ASIC. Depending on how fast they can speed up their ASICs, they could potentially outrun the difficulty increase, since it's not a reduction in block reward... Although I don't know how long they could do that for.

OK, I can tell you don't understand the R&D process.

Essentially, engineers look at GPU, with best performance and put together a cheaper (ASIC) prototype, but these have to be produced in batches of 500-1,000.

These prototype batches, strip the extra GPU functions not necessary to hashing the algorithm.

The engineers keep repeating this process with each batch of prototypes.

This process is done in secret and is self-financing so long as news never gets out that this is being done, because the prototype batches produce Alt Coins, which can be sold for BTC and converted into cash to pay for the next generation of prototypes.

What the engineers are hoping for is some kind of breakthrough, in this process, which produces chip design that makes vastly more hash output per a unit of electricity.

On Dash, X11 prototype batches where being produced 6 months, before the engineers made the breakthrough.

The situation on Ethereum is slightly different, the prototype batches have become highly lucrative with Ethereum prices about 0.014BTC to 0.028BTC.

So, those engineers who are working on Dagger algorithm are simply chucking out bigger and bigger batches of the prototypes Wink

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Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 30, 2016, 05:54:34 AM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 04:49:47 PM

Quote from: bensam1231 on June 29, 2016, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 11:25:20 AM

With difficulty of Ethereum jumping by 35% in 3/4 weeks Shocked

Do you reckon ASIC mining hardware is shipping amongst insiders?

From Dash coin, engineers where making small batches of ASIC X11 miners, long before commercial products became available to the community in April this year!

No... Dagger is designed in a way that makes it extremely ASIC resistant (in addition to being better 'gpu' resistant). This is just megafarms scaling up in addition to all the Eth babies.

It's more like someone ( i.e. Genesis etc.) bought batch of 1070s or 1080s or 480s... and paid someone to make /adapt miner...

Trend starts before all 3 cards began shipping.

12Ths increase in difficulty every 4 weeks, looks more like a small batch private ASIC hardware is shipping out each month.

I just mentioned it: people might be rushing out to buy more GPUs for Dagger, when ROI is looking unlikely!

chinese can add gpu like you add cheerios to your cup of milk

30 gpu = 1 tera, so that s 360 gpu, which is nothing for some folks

i doubt there are asic for this, too hard and too costly to do

They may be costly to produce, but they are out there!

When Ethereum crashed below 0.014BTC Shocked

10THS of difficulty disappeared Shocked

There was no increase in hashpower on Lyra2v2 or neoscrypt Alts Grin

Locked hashpower on Dagger algorithm is summarised as: ASIC Hardware Wink

Big investors have dumped all their positions in EXPANSE, because they know there are ASICs out there.

just lag i think , it would be stupid to spend million for an asic chip that can mine ethereum at current rate which is not so profitable like in the good old days

pure speculations :-)
gtx 1070 on the way to me... let's see if I can fix neoscrypt on it.

good to hear, i hope you can fix it and increase to 1200-1300 khs

Yelp, lag that lasted 12-20 hours.

Amazing lag on Ethereum Network, when 23% of hashpower goes missing when price is below 0.014BTC Wink

maybe a big chinese farm or something went down due to maintanace, you never know, i don't believe in asic for this, not productive for them

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Thanks bensam, I didn't remember that post.
I just PMed vaulter for details.

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Quote from: vaulter on June 25, 2016, 03:19:44 PM

pure speculations :-)
gtx 1070 on the way to me... let's see if I can fix neoscrypt on it.

And a dark knight appears. There is a guy in the Eth miner thread and also post here stating that the bug with NeoS was due to a WDDM issue, which will be fixed in this coming month. He has details on it as well.

Good news everyone - the driver for both Win 78/Win 10 insider preview should be available next week - on this driver all Pascal GPUs are able to do the same as on Linux on ether in Win 10 Insider preview without any change
But with Win 7/8 and other algos for win 10 insider preview devs need to take action
If any devs are interested in details PM me - Genoil is informed, it would be nice to fix neoscrypt - if anyone is up to the task - welcome

He explained it differently in Genoil's thread. Something about block size.

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 30, 2016, 05:54:34 AM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 04:49:47 PM

Quote from: bensam1231 on June 29, 2016, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 11:25:20 AM

With difficulty of Ethereum jumping by 35% in 3/4 weeks Shocked

Do you reckon ASIC mining hardware is shipping amongst insiders?

From Dash coin, engineers where making small batches of ASIC X11 miners, long before commercial products became available to the community in April this year!

No... Dagger is designed in a way that makes it extremely ASIC resistant (in addition to being better 'gpu' resistant). This is just megafarms scaling up in addition to all the Eth babies.

It's more like someone ( i.e. Genesis etc.) bought batch of 1070s or 1080s or 480s... and paid someone to make /adapt miner...

Trend starts before all 3 cards began shipping.

12Ths increase in difficulty every 4 weeks, looks more like a small batch private ASIC hardware is shipping out each month.

I just mentioned it: people might be rushing out to buy more GPUs for Dagger, when ROI is looking unlikely!

chinese can add gpu like you add cheerios to your cup of milk

30 gpu = 1 tera, so that s 360 gpu, which is nothing for some folks

i doubt there are asic for this, too hard and too costly to do

They may be costly to produce, but they are out there!

When Ethereum crashed below 0.014BTC Shocked

10THS of difficulty disappeared Shocked

There was no increase in hashpower on Lyra2v2 or neoscrypt Alts Grin

Locked hashpower on Dagger algorithm is summarised as: ASIC Hardware Wink

Big investors have dumped all their positions in EXPANSE, because they know there are ASICs out there.

just lag i think , it would be stupid to spend million for an asic chip that can mine ethereum at current rate which is not so profitable like in the good old days

pure speculations :-)
gtx 1070 on the way to me... let's see if I can fix neoscrypt on it.

good to hear, i hope you can fix it and increase to 1200-1300 khs

ASICs can hash exponentially faster then GPUs... BTC for instance. A 1070 would hash at a fraction of a percent of a current ASIC. Depending on how fast they can speed up their ASICs, they could potentially outrun the difficulty increase, since it's not a reduction in block reward... Although I don't know how long they could do that for.

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Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 30, 2016, 05:54:34 AM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 04:49:47 PM

Quote from: bensam1231 on June 29, 2016, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: thevictimofuktyranny on June 29, 2016, 11:25:20 AM

With difficulty of Ethereum jumping by 35% in 3/4 weeks Shocked

Do you reckon ASIC mining hardware is shipping amongst insiders?

From Dash coin, engineers where making small batches of ASIC X11 miners, long before commercial products became available to the community in April this year!

No... Dagger is designed in a way that makes it extremely ASIC resistant (in addition to being better 'gpu' resistant). This is just megafarms scaling up in addition to all the Eth babies.

It's more like someone ( i.e. Genesis etc.) bought batch of 1070s or 1080s or 480s... and paid someone to make /adapt miner...

Trend starts before all 3 cards began shipping.

12Ths increase in difficulty every 4 weeks, looks more like a small batch private ASIC hardware is shipping out each month.

I just mentioned it: people might be rushing out to buy more GPUs for Dagger, when ROI is looking unlikely!

chinese can add gpu like you add cheerios to your cup of milk

30 gpu = 1 tera, so that s 360 gpu, which is nothing for some folks

i doubt there are asic for this, too hard and too costly to do

They may be costly to produce, but they are out there!

When Ethereum crashed below 0.014BTC Shocked

10THS of difficulty disappeared Shocked

There was no increase in hashpower on Lyra2v2 or neoscrypt Alts Grin

Locked hashpower on Dagger algorithm is summarised as: ASIC Hardware Wink

Big investors have dumped all their positions in EXPANSE, because they know there are ASICs out there.

just lag i think , it would be stupid to spend million for an asic chip that can mine ethereum at current rate which is not so profitable like in the good old days

pure speculations :-)
gtx 1070 on the way to me... let's see if I can fix neoscrypt on it.

good to hear, i hope you can fix it and increase to 1200-1300 khs

Yelp, lag that lasted 12-20 hours.

Amazing lag on Ethereum Network, when 23% of hashpower goes missing when price is below 0.014BTC Wink

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