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Topic: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. - page 886. (Read 2347659 times)

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legendary
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Team Black developer
nobody will use it
If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.
We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.
I will provide info on my mining works by mail later.
BTW, I think you should create a new thread about this discussion.

Let's say I get a bounty of 6BTC from doing a quark kernal that does 10MHASH.
Would you be angry if I modify and use your groestl opensource and give you 0 BTC?
member
Activity: 81
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Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

in that case, your bounties are rather small...
legendary
Activity: 2716
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Black Belt Developer
nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.

We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

I will provide info on my mining works by mail later.
BTW, I think you should create a new thread about this discussion.
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legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
nobody will use it
If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.
We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.

Well the small miners with a few gpu's will use it.  Perfect for the nicehash miner.
The big miners already have faster private kernals, and they don't use Nicehash. They solomine/ create their own private pools.

The difference between the opensource miner and the best private kernals can be as much as 700%.
Mining on AMD with the opensource is not profitable. Mining with the private kernals is a million dollar business..
hero member
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nobody will use it

If we believe that nobody would use the improved kernel (just like you suspect), then of course, we are not interested to buy it.

We are only interested in improvements, that would be actually useful for large amount of miners. That is why it is important for which algorithm the improvement is.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1091
--- ChainWorks Industries ---
Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

Wait with OpenCL offers for now, we need to put sgminer in NiceHash Miner first.

But if you have CUDA optimizations, we are ready to discuss the deal now!

there you have it ...

#crysx
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1091
--- ChainWorks Industries ---
I have sendt a mail to nicehash support. I think I will release my 4.5 MHASH opencl quark kernal opensource for 4BTC.  Grin (amd r9 280x)

125% faster than the public opencl sgminer version. With some more work I think I can push it to 10MHASH. 10MHASH would be 500% faster than the opensource version.

Rewrite the branching / rewrite pallas groestl to 512 + some tricks from ccminer.

500% would probably cost around 10-15BTC extra to opensource.

I'm curious to see if they give you so many BTCs :-)

private miner - there maybe a chance someone would look at it ... but that is WAY too much btc for even that ...

unless there was exclusivity AND absolute private mining - even that would be an 'iffy' situation ...

i would do a deal for thefarm - but not at those rates ... and it would have to be an exclusive deal for a period of time ...

so nicehash may be able to afford it - but whether they would even look at that much would be quite questionable ... especially released as open source ...

so all this talk about opensourcing as opposed to private mining - the answer is right there ...

#crysx
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 501
Please, try to understand that we will opensource all the jobs and miners will be able to use these improvements elsewhere, so it is not only exclusive work for us, but for community too. We do not benefit so much as for example, if we had closed source miner that could be used only on NiceHash.

Wait with OpenCL offers for now, we need to put sgminer in NiceHash Miner first.

But if you have CUDA optimizations, we are ready to discuss the deal now!
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
I have sendt a mail to nicehash support. I think I will release my 4.5 MHASH opencl quark kernal opensource for 4BTC.  Grin (amd r9 280x)
125% faster than the public opencl sgminer version. With some more work I think I can push it to 10MHASH. 10MHASH would be 500% faster than the opensource version.
Rewrite the branching / rewrite pallas groestl to 512 + some tricks from ccminer.
500% would probably cost around 10-15BTC extra to opensource.
I'm curious to see if they give you so many BTCs :-)

There is a big difference between giving out the sourcecode and selling bin files. I offer to publish the sourcecode as well.
Nicehash/westhash is hashing over 60 GIGHAHASH of quark every day. Even if I publish a miner that does 10MHASH on the 280x nobody will use it,
because the russian closed source miner is doing  14MHASH++

My opensource NVIDIA quark miner is doing 28.5 MHASH on the 980ti. My closed source is over 30MHASH
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 1094
Black Belt Developer
I have sendt a mail to nicehash support. I think I will release my 4.5 MHASH opencl quark kernal opensource for 4BTC.  Grin (amd r9 280x)

125% faster than the public opencl sgminer version. With some more work I think I can push it to 10MHASH. 10MHASH would be 500% faster than the opensource version.

Rewrite the branching / rewrite pallas groestl to 512 + some tricks from ccminer.

500% would probably cost around 10-15BTC extra to opensource.

I'm curious to see if they give you so many BTCs :-)
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
I have sendt a mail to nicehash support. I think I will release my 4.5 MHASH opencl quark kernal opensource for 4BTC.  Grin (amd r9 280x)

125% faster than the public opencl sgminer version. With some more work I think I can push it to 10MHASH. 10MHASH would be 500% faster than the opensource version.

Rewrite the branching / rewrite pallas groestl to 512 + some tricks from ccminer.

500% would probably cost around 10-15BTC extra to opensource.
sp_
legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
I just went by what the help said, maybe I over looked something, but the --help said whirlpoolx --algo=whirlpoolx
Doesn't really matter was only playing around as a test. No real interest in any of those coins.
Thanks for your help.

I just added whirl (old whirlpool) in release 71. Run with:

-a whirl

This is the old whirlpool algo. You can use it to mine joincoin.
full member
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-snip-

WHIRLPOOL--

JoinCoin uses Whirlpool, not Whirlpoolx.  Spell out "whirlpool" completely in the wallet configuration file.  Type "algo" : "whirl" in the mining configuration file, or "-a whirl" on the launch line.  The Opening Page (OP) for JoinCoin states the Whirlpool is the default wallet algo, so you perhaps could skip it in the wallet configuration.  I did not.

My first attempt was with pentablake algo.  I do not know why it did not work.  Pentablake was very new at the launch for JoinCoin.  I only changed the algo configurations between the two attempts.  My GTX 960 runs at full speed (currently) mining Lyra2v2 and Quark.        --scryptr

P.S.  I now have 2 JoinCoins.     --scryptr

I just went by what the help said, maybe I over looked something, but the --help said whirlpoolx --algo=whirlpoolx
Doesn't really matter was only playing around as a test. No real interest in any of those coins.

Thanks for your help.
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legendary
Activity: 2954
Merit: 1087
Team Black developer
The bounties are low, but bether than nothing..

Could be some easy picking in the opencl optimalizations because most of the sgminer kernels have been unchanged since last year. Most people are using wolf0's binaries anyway..

Neoscrypt Opensource r9 280x: 210kh

Wolf0 private: 630Kh ( ? ) Don't remember. been a while since I saw his ottrbut pics.

50% increase: 210kh->315kh (2BTC)
50% increase: 315kh->472.5kh (2BTC)
50% increase: 472.5->708,75 (2BTC)

With some work, wolf0 should be able to earn 6 BTC alone on his work on neoscrypt, but I guess he don't want to opensource it..

lyra2v2 opensource r9 280x 3.5MHASH:

50% increase: 3.5MHASH->5MHASH (2BTC)
50% increase: 5MHASH->7.5MHASH (2BTC)
50% increase: 7.5MHASH->11,25MHASH (2BTC)

Wolf0 should be able to earn 6 BTC alone on his work on the private lyra2v2, but I guess he don't want to opensource it..

And then there is quark.. I actually have made a kernel that does 4.5MHASH on the r9 280x.

quark opensource r9 280x 2MHASH:

2MHASH->3MHASH (2BTC)
3MHASH->4.5MHASH (2BTC)
4.5MHASH->6.75MHASH (2BTC)
6.75MHASH->10,125MHASH (2BTC)

wolf0 should be able to earn 8 BTC alone on his work on quark, but I guess he don't want to opensource it..

I could make 4 BTC.

What do you say Nicehashsupport? How much can you give me for an opensource quark kernal that does 4.5MHASH?



member
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Merit: 10
I am posting this here, because so many mining software coders gathered in arguing, just in case you are not following us on twitter or did not see it mentioned on NiceHash.

To all ccminer, sgminer, cgminer coders, kernel tweakers and code optimizers, we have plenty of jobs available for you. Please, check them out here: https://www.nicehash.com/index.jsp?p=jobs

Heh, those bounties are a joke, right?  You guys probably ROI the lot of them in <24hrs.
legendary
Activity: 1797
Merit: 1028
I am posting this here, because so many mining software coders gathered in arguing, just in case you are not following us on twitter or did not see it mentioned on NiceHash.

To all ccminer, sgminer, cgminer coders, kernel tweakers and code optimizers, we have plenty of jobs available for you. Please, check them out here: https://www.nicehash.com/index.jsp?p=jobs

WHO LET THE DOGS  OUT??!!! --

WHO LET THE DOGS  OUT??!!!


WUFF!

--scryptr
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 501
I am posting this here, because so many mining software coders gathered in arguing, just in case you are not following us on twitter or did not see it mentioned on NiceHash.

To all ccminer, sgminer, cgminer coders, kernel tweakers and code optimizers, we have plenty of jobs available for you. Please, check them out here: https://www.nicehash.com/index.jsp?p=jobs
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1082
ccminer/cpuminer developer
piss piss piss, someone pissed on the fire? Its starting to stink in here. lol
Yes. Enjoy the piss from the dj.
you started it... and attacking every devs arounds didn't help either...

I just compiled the TP 1.7 release windows x86 cuda65.
Quark is hashing 12,5MHASH. In sp-mod 71 I get 18.2 MHASH (45.6%) faster

This is not an attack. This is just facts..

 

There is no TP 1.7 release yet... Not sure its the best time for you to "refork", there will be some other important changes about pool and algos switchs

But, could be nice you grab the new scanhash prototype with the work struct.

Else, all the diff stuff is not difficult to import
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 1094
Black Belt Developer
It really looks like the nvidia mining community (by insulting the developers who release opensource code) want to be just like AMD's.
Good for us devs, more money from selling miners! ;-)
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1024
to guys spitting on developers like djm34 and wolf0: probably you don't know that many public opensource miners and algos where made by them.
they could just let you mine with cpu and their customers with gpu.
if you continue to bother them (and me), that's where you'll end up.
so please think before speaking.

They are... but they usually release a slower version then release a private version with a higher hashrate and/or they get commissioned to make the miner in the first place. That's not the same thing as charity or doing it 'for the community'. Some cases it's even double or triple dipping (getting paid two-three times over for the same work).

I'd look at the work and why they did it in the first place before thinking it's charity. They don't do bad work, but it's 'work' and not freebies that you'd think from a first glance. If a coin dev or the community commissions them to make a miner for their coin, those are who you should thank, not them.

But most of the time you can't tell what's going on because they keep everything hush-hush to prevent prying eyes and ears from figuring things out.

And it would be more profitable to never release to public, is his point. Doing public work IS, in a way, charity - even though you get paid, EVERYONE can now rip off your shit.

Pretty sure releasing it is part of making it for the community. They wouldn't employ you to make it otherwise. Doesn't matter who uses it, you were employed to make it and release it. By the employer, I'm talking about coin devs and community crowdfunds. Usually coin devs are the ones that employ kernel developers to make a new miner for their algo...

That also doesn't stop kernel devs from only releasing basically half the work for half the hashrate, then release a private version there after (which also happens). That's double dipping.

Oh, and by the way, EVERY question that was related to dev I've been PM'd, I've answered. Do you know WHY I don't always answer sale questions? Because quite honestly, it's boring, and unless the sale will be largely profitable, I really often don't want to.

You know what I love answering? People who want to help themselves - learn things. So I do that more. Sorry.

Awfully convenient. Too bad you don't just have the relevant stats listed in your signature or in a easy to access faq/thread... Oh wait, that undermines everything.

So the pub miner is broken? :l

It has been fixed in the 1.6.6-spmod fork as well. 0.1 BTC Windows only x86 exe

...

Tpruvot version is broken too.
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