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Topic: [CENSORSHIP] Matthew N. Wright - page 8. (Read 16408 times)

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August 14, 2013, 09:22:06 PM
#46
Yeah, this place is a mess.  What happened to the other projects to start an alternate forum?   That's what Bitcoin needs right now, somewhere impartial and moderated properly.

It's still in my signature (the bright red link).  Your input is most welcome...

legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
August 14, 2013, 07:42:27 PM
#45
Well this is a veteran battle so will just say there must be worse than Matt out there trolling.
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August 14, 2013, 07:30:01 PM
#44
See this is what I am not understanding, people can buy ads with false claims against companies, trick newbies into taking coins from them and be on the default trust list while making false claims against people.

But someone who is calling out people on scams is getting banned and labeled a troll?

This is just plain wrong, and censorship. I think if this continues this should be called the "unofficial bitcoin forum". Cause then you are lying to people about what politics are really taking place on here.

Yeah, this place is a mess.  What happened to the other projects to start an alternate forum?   That's what Bitcoin needs right now, somewhere impartial and moderated properly.
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Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.
August 14, 2013, 07:27:59 PM
#43



Err... 2 days ago?
Was he even able to post trust feedback at that time?
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August 14, 2013, 06:48:37 PM
#42
Dank would be passing the joint, not bogarting.
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August 14, 2013, 04:28:51 PM
#41
To me, it not even an issue of trolling (I despise the word, actually).  Matthew contributes to the community not only through speech, but through action.  Whose vision was it that helped Bitcoin Mag launch?  Matthew's, of course.  Even his ill-advised community bet was made in an attempt to show the community how foolish it  can be by carelessly handing out BTC to total strangers (e.g Pirate).  Unfortunately for Matthew, the mere existence of the bet caused some people to act in ways which cost them money.  But it takes a stand-up guy to acknowledge his responsibility to pay back debts he was never prepared to pay back, and as far as I'm aware, Matthew has paid, and is continuing to pay, the debts he owes.

In my opinion, not only shouldn't Matthew be banned, he has downright admirable qualities, and it's a disservice to the community to ban him.

It is sad how one mistake, and the community forgets the good work you have done.


I also like how theymos is online yet staying away from this thread...
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August 14, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
#41
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Mine Silent, Mine Deep
August 14, 2013, 06:00:09 PM
#40
imho, Matthew is more like a Jester than a Troll.

A jester entertains and often provides value and insight. Trolling is just malicious and annoying.

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It was only the wind.
August 14, 2013, 02:56:10 PM
#39
I want to know what constitutes trolling cause isn't buying ads that attack companies trolling? Isn't leaving inappropriate feedback on the trust system trolling? I mean if Matthew is trolling, then I have a list of about 15 people that should also be banned for trolling.

I guess I don't understand, the censorship around this forum is insane. It would make Satoshi cry. A real shame.

I'm with gweedo on this one.  If MNW gets banned for trolling there's plenty of other people who need to be banned as well.

I'm with tysat & gweedo. You shouldn't ban Matthew if you're not going to ban other trolls. I don't have any affiliation with him either, just displeased with the way this forum is going.
legendary
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August 14, 2013, 05:24:29 PM
#39
This is crazy you ban him but you wont ban the person that offered to pay 1btc to the person that hacks/destroys my forum

 ( someone must have taken him up on his offer as my forum was hacked and destroyed last night )
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August 14, 2013, 05:06:22 PM
#38
In my opinion, not only shouldn't Matthew be banned, he has downright admirable qualities, and it's a disservice to the community to ban him.

I agree; Matt's a good guy, and I'd rather have him around than not.  Hopefully this ban isn't a permanent thing.
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August 14, 2013, 05:06:08 PM
#37
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Now that I've thought about it, trolls/spammers = want to post stuff and hence the way of banning them is to keep them from posting, whereas scammers = want to get people to send them funds and hence the way of banning them is to keep their credibility next to nil, where a scammer tag or the new rating system does.
Let me help out with your logic:
The way to ban scammers is ... by banning them.  No more posts, no more PMs, no more problems, amirite?
I understand this is theymos' sandbox, and he sets the rules.  I'm fine with that.  I guess i'm also fine with this half-baked apologia.  Nevermind.

Please don't troll too much here. We need to keep this clean and respectful.
This actually makes sense keeping the scammers around for at least those reasons:
- Some were decorated with the tag and came out being legit, after all.
- If I was a scammer, I would MUCH prefer being banned than just getting a tag. Banned, just forget it, and turn the page, much easier, psychologically.
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August 14, 2013, 01:42:56 PM
#36
I want to know what constitutes trolling cause isn't buying ads that attack companies trolling? Isn't leaving inappropriate feedback on the trust system trolling? I mean if Matthew is trolling, then I have a list of about 15 people that should also be banned for trolling.

I guess I don't understand, the censorship around this forum is insane. It would make Satoshi cry. A real shame.

legendary
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August 14, 2013, 04:47:45 PM
#36
To me, it not even an issue of trolling (I despise the word, actually).  Matthew contributes to the community not only through speech, but through action.  Whose vision was it that helped Bitcoin Mag launch?  Matthew's, of course.  Even his ill-advised community bet was made in an attempt to show the community how foolish it  can be by carelessly handing out BTC to total strangers (e.g Pirate).  Unfortunately for Matthew, the mere existence of the bet caused some people to act in ways which cost them money.  But it takes a stand-up guy to acknowledge his responsibility to pay back debts he was never prepared to pay back, and as far as I'm aware, Matthew has paid, and is continuing to pay, the debts he owes.

In my opinion, not only shouldn't Matthew be banned, he has downright admirable qualities, and it's a disservice to the community to ban him.

+1
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August 14, 2013, 04:43:32 PM
#35
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Now that I've thought about it, trolls/spammers = want to post stuff and hence the way of banning them is to keep them from posting, whereas scammers = want to get people to send them funds and hence the way of banning them is to keep their credibility next to nil, where a scammer tag or the new rating system does.

Let me help out with your logic:
The way to ban scammers is ... by banning them.  No more posts, no more PMs, no more problems, amirite?
I understand this is theymos' sandbox, and he sets the rules.  I'm fine with that.  I guess i'm also fine with this half-baked apologia.  Nevermind.

Edit:  This forum seems to be a big deal to Matthew.   Please unban him, if for no reason other than "it's a nice thing to do."
Edit2 @Kouye: done.
legendary
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August 14, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
#34
This is just plain wrong, and censorship. I think if this continues this should be called the "unofficial bitcoin forum".
Is this the official bitcoin forum? I mean, I'm pretty sure bitcoin is about as decentralized as it gets. This forum in no way governs Bitcoin. It's more like a fanboy site that got popular. As for it's "censorship", anyone is welcome to go someplace else. It's just run by a few guys with some spare time on their hands. Hell, go make your own site if you want and call it the official bitcoin forum. This forum is no different than Facebook, 4chan, Reddit, or any other website and forum.

People consider this the official bitcoin forum since Satoshi was using it, is that not a valid conclusion?
Ehh.. not really. He stopped using this forum a long time ago. And Satoshi isn't Bitcoin. If Bill Gates used Facebook, does that make Facebook Microsoft's (Windows) official social media website? The dude didn't even operate this website as far as I am aware of. He's probably posted on many other websites as well. That doesn't make this site, or any others more or less special than another. Let alone official.


I think the forums URL was forum.bitcoin.com. If seems pretty official.
legendary
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August 14, 2013, 04:16:47 PM
#33
To me, it not even an issue of trolling (I despise the word, actually).  Matthew contributes to the community not only through speech, but through action.  Whose vision was it that helped Bitcoin Mag launch?  Matthew's, of course.  Even his ill-advised community bet was made in an attempt to show the community how foolish it  can be by carelessly handing out BTC to total strangers (e.g Pirate).  Unfortunately for Matthew, the mere existence of the bet caused some people to act in ways which cost them money.  But it takes a stand-up guy to acknowledge his responsibility to pay back debts he was never prepared to pay back, and as far as I'm aware, Matthew has paid, and is continuing to pay, the debts he owes.

In my opinion, not only shouldn't Matthew be banned, he has downright admirable qualities, and it's a disservice to the community to ban him.
sr. member
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Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.
August 14, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
#32
I want to know what constitutes trolling cause isn't buying ads that attack companies trolling? Isn't leaving inappropriate feedback on the trust system trolling? I mean if Matthew is trolling, then I have a list of about 15 people that should also be banned for trolling.

I guess I don't understand, the censorship around this forum is insane. It would make Satoshi cry. A real shame.

15 people only ? Am I in that list ? Cause I'll admit I've done my share of trolling too (Because of the evil wine).
You probably should put yourself in the list too, cause your arguments with TF quickly become a trollfest. Grin

Anyway, this still feels unfair.

And I don't have the slightest involvment with Matthew either.
(Full disclosure, I sent him a PM once, asking why one of his post was locked, and he replied)
legendary
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Keep it real
August 14, 2013, 01:53:12 PM
#31
I want to know what constitutes trolling cause isn't buying ads that attack companies trolling? Isn't leaving inappropriate feedback on the trust system trolling? I mean if Matthew is trolling, then I have a list of about 15 people that should also be banned for trolling.

I guess I don't understand, the censorship around this forum is insane. It would make Satoshi cry. A real shame.

I'm with gweedo on this one.  If MNW gets banned for trolling there's plenty of other people who need to be banned as well.
legendary
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August 14, 2013, 01:35:14 PM
#30
He was trolling continuously. He hasn't changed: He edited that poll after people had already voted to create misleading results.

Honestly losing more and more respect.. You're telling me you're against trolling so much to 'ban' someone, but you let scammers walk around free with a tag? Whats wrong with that picture? Sounds like censorship to me.

P.S. MNW isn't someone who I'm affiliated with, so a neutral party that isn't pleased on whats going down.

Well, the forum policy since a long time ago was to ban trolls (as they impede the speech of others), and tag scammers. Scammers aren't banned outright as they could repay and resolve their issues, but they might still be banned if they start trolling. I believe terrytibbs (and Matthew himself) was one of the prime examples here.

Oh, sorry I misunderstood, I see now how trolling could be so much worse than someone stealing hundreds even thousands of dollars worth of items, money, and bitcoin.
The thing about scammers, they don't pay back shit.

If you were to think from a different point of view, you'll notice that the tag is essentially a pseudo-ban on the user's account here anyway. Most scammers would abandon ship at that point so the account is not used anyway afterwards. That's the same with the new rating system, where an account that obtained negative ratings would be abandoned unless the user wants to amend his wrongs. Trolls are banned outright as they do not care about doing business/getting funds from others - merely posting worthless stuff and trying to derail discussions.

Now that I've thought about it, trolls/spammers = want to post stuff and hence the way of banning them is to keep them from posting, whereas scammers = want to get people to send them funds and hence the way of banning them is to keep their credibility next to nil, where a scammer tag or the new rating system does.

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