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Quote from: matej krkic on September 06, 2018, 10:14:00 AM

>The logic of being able to seize funds is wrong to begin with. Taxing the amount by 50% as a fee to return it like some hostage negotiation would be slightly ridiculous.

Totally agree. They should either proceed this issue to some authority (including the information about the frozen coins) or return the coins. But the second opinion seems to be not the best one...Below is the answer why.

> Why not just return the funds to the address they were received from? That should settle it.

Imagine that in some time interpol will come to them and ask for the information related to this transaction. This is not a rare case in crypto. What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC, he sent fake documents 2 times, we decided to release the funds"? Really? In this case I'm sure the owners of the exchange will end their crypto career as A. Vinnik from ex btc-e.

Good point. You should contact with the law enforcement immediately when you suspect suspicous person.
They will take right action and will bring the justice.
This funds might be gains from cyber ransom or anything.
But this is law enforcement job to find out.

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>The logic of being able to seize funds is wrong to begin with. Taxing the amount by 50% as a fee to return it like some hostage negotiation would be slightly ridiculous.

Totally agree. They should either proceed this issue to some authority (including the information about the frozen coins) or return the coins. But the second opinion seems to be not the best one...Below is the answer why.

> Why not just return the funds to the address they were received from? That should settle it.

Imagine that in some time interpol will come to them and ask for the information related to this transaction. This is not a rare case in crypto. What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC, he sent fake documents 2 times, we decided to release the funds"? Really? In this case I'm sure the owners of the exchange will end their crypto career as A. Vinnik from ex btc-e.

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Why not just return the funds to the address they were received from? That should settle it.

That is my first thought, I do agree with you. They can comply with KYC and just refuse to do business with this individual not known to them, if thats the problem they raise.

Its basically nonsense, crypto used to be free of this red tape highjacking and now its become a travisty like the rest of every corporate enterprise that sits below government.

Its perfectly straightforward to reject a received value and return to sender. Unless they absolutely know these funds are illegal and are certain to contact authorities to pass over funds. If there was some strong suspicion or evidence, I can understand every business has an unstated purpose to stay legal and within the boundaries of the law of the country its situated in. Thats not a point that needs to be argued, companies dont wish to put themselves at risk so its justified.

To disappear with someone elses value indefinitely and benefit your own interests with this value, thats easily observable as corrupt and should not be allowed to pass without notice from the wider community.

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Quote from: STT on September 06, 2018, 09:50:35 AM

Quote from: OpenCryptoSystem on September 05, 2018, 07:09:51 AM

In this case both sides should maje some agreement.
The exchanger should give back 50% of coins.
Assets will be splitted by 50/50 if 2 sides who involved in deal cant make agreement.

This isnt some pirate booty to be divided up because someone was caught vulnerable in a transaction. In any case the exchange has decided they can take all value in their own favour while quoting KYC as a reason why the company benefits from customer funds.

The logic of being able to seize funds is wrong to begin with. Taxing the amount by 50% as a fee to return it like some hostage negotiation would be slightly ridiculous.
I've said this point before myself with seized funds where the company just awards themselves the victims value as a self reward for thei own genius on KYC; the victim of this should be able to designate a charity recipient of the funds. The person will not benefit, the charity is known and open to KYC so its legal and the funds are no longer defaulting to the benefit of the company who has seized them under a pretence of legality

Why not just return the funds to the address they were received from? That should settle it.

I mean, they did not tell the OP they would ask for ID verification as they listed themselves as "anonymous and limitless". Once they decided they wanted ID verification they should have offered to send the crypto back to him if he did not want to proceed.

The way the exchange has set this whole thing up is quite disgraceful. It is just an underhanded manner in which to keep hold of the OPs funds.

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Quote from: OpenCryptoSystem on September 05, 2018, 07:09:51 AM

In this case both sides should maje some agreement.
The exchanger should give back 50% of coins.
Assets will be splitted by 50/50 if 2 sides who involved in deal cant make agreement.

This isnt some pirate booty to be divided up because someone was caught vulnerable in a transaction. In any case the exchange has decided they can take all value in their own favour while quoting KYC as a reason why the company benefits from customer funds.

The logic of being able to seize funds is wrong to begin with. Taxing the amount by 50% as a fee to return it like some hostage negotiation would be slightly ridiculous.
I've said this point before myself with seized funds where the company just awards themselves the victims value as a self reward for thei own genius on KYC; the victim of this should be able to designate a charity recipient of the funds. The person will not benefit, the charity is known and open to KYC so its legal and the funds are no longer defaulting to the benefit of the company who has seized them under a pretence of legality

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Quote from: LeGaulois on July 12, 2018, 08:55:24 AM

I admit the mistake from the OP was to sent a photo from Google. But at the same time if you need to process a KYC verification for the sake of the European directives at any step then you should perhaps remove "Anonymous" and "Limitless" because it's not the truth, It could even be considered as false advertising, and in some countries such as The US you can end up in a justice court.
Maybe you can change it with "Anonymous depending how our automated system think you are cute)

I think the fact they promote themselves as "Anonymous and Limitless" is itself wrong because they have a clause where they can ask for KYC. I would think long and hard before sending my ID to any "online" exchange because you have no real idea who they are and what these people will do with your ID if you fall out with them, raise a dispute or if they close down. I would never use changenow because they could have handled this issue differently.

In such an event where ID needs to be sent you have to consider going to the most respected or those exchanges that have been around the longest or the ones that have very little chance of shutting down. Be very careful when sending your ID, choose the exchanges carefully.

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Providing KYC verification for 100 BCHs, I don't think there is any problem with this, because 100BCH is a very large amount, and any formal exchange will request KYC for withdrawal such a large amount.
Of course, if you still can't withdraw cash after you provide KYC, then you can accuse the company.

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Are you delusional?? 100BTC really? they got every right to do KYC on you.

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Quote from: isintel on September 05, 2018, 01:18:51 PM

In Russia, Everything is possible. In Russian Darknet there are services to Render face for Webcam, Video Shoots etc. Those CEOs might be fake as well but one thing is sure that they are Russians lives in Czech and Ukraine.

Even donald trump got elected couse of russian cyber power

and offcourse many other things.
So the video shoots etc is piece of cake. Lol

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Quote from: isintel on September 05, 2018, 01:18:51 PM

In Russia, Everything is possible. In Russian Darknet there are services to Render face for Webcam, Video Shoots etc. Those CEOs might be fake as well but one thing is sure that they are Russians lives in Czech and Ukraine.

Just because something like this happened with you now you will do research and U will digg deeper in everything.

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Quote from: isintel on September 05, 2018, 01:18:51 PM

In Russia, Everything is possible. In Russian Darknet there are services to Render face for Webcam, Video Shoots etc. Those CEOs might be fake as well but one thing is sure that they are Russians lives in Czech and Ukraine.

One thing is sure: ni23457, please login to your main account Wink

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In Russia, Everything is possible. In Russian Darknet there are services to Render face for Webcam, Video Shoots etc. Those CEOs might be fake as well but one thing is sure that they are Russians lives in Czech and Ukraine.

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Quote from: ni23457 on September 05, 2018, 10:49:15 AM

If these people wanted to agree on something, they would do it. But they did not reply to my letters within a month and a half. They simply ignore me since July 19.

They should not ignore you or anybody else. They should resolve this issue with you. They should have a professional attitude towards you.

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Quote from: ni23457 on September 05, 2018, 10:49:15 AM

They simply ignore me since July 19.

So you decided to blackmail them? You spent $ 1000 here, what next? Will you hire a killer? However, if I find out tomorrow that their alleged office was blown up, I would not be surprised.

So, you are engaged in blackmail. Read here

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Quote from: ni23457 on September 05, 2018, 10:49:15 AM

Quote from: navigatorus on September 05, 2018, 07:14:19 AM

To be honest,I don't know which side to believe.If you follow the logical thinking, each of the parties may be a fraud.The situation is difficult and how to solve it I do not mind.We need a third party as an arbitrator.Otherwise, no way.

How can I be a fraud in the time when the blockchain shows that I own the funds for 5 years, and the presence of many coins on my wallets says that private keys were not stolen? Let they refute it. If they refute it, then I'll kindly ask theymos or any other most authoritative person to check my wallet and confirm it.

The fact that I do not want to fulfill their demands does not make me a fraud. This fact only says that I do not respect these people and I have the right to do so: ChangeNOW.io Evercode Lab - Scam. Defamation. Abuses. Threats - Russian Business

Quote from: navigatorus on September 05, 2018, 08:18:11 AM

This topic becomes a field of hostilities.Why would sides not find an independent side in the form of admin or senior moderator and not decide this conflict times and on always.Moreover, the Prosecutor is ready to provide all even secret data to an authoritative arbitrator.These accusations against each other can continue indefinitely.We need to resolve this issue at another level.

If these people wanted to agree on something, they would do it. But they did not reply to my letters within a month and a half. They simply ignore me since July 19.

As far as I know you was offered to pass kyc. You’ve submited fake ID two times and now refuse to cooperate only swearing everywhere. You are the one who are not willing to agree on something

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Quote from: navigatorus on September 05, 2018, 07:14:19 AM

To be honest,I don't know which side to believe.If you follow the logical thinking, each of the parties may be a fraud.The situation is difficult and how to solve it I do not mind.We need a third party as an arbitrator.Otherwise, no way.

How can I be a fraud in the time when the blockchain shows that I own the funds for 5 years, and the presence of many coins on my wallets says that private keys were not stolen? Let they refute it. If they refute it, then I'll kindly ask theymos or any other most authoritative person to check my wallet and confirm it.

The fact that I do not want to fulfill their demands does not make me a fraud. This fact only says that I do not respect these people and I have the right to do so: ChangeNOW.io Evercode Lab - Scam. Defamation. Abuses. Threats - Russian Business

Quote from: navigatorus on September 05, 2018, 08:18:11 AM

This topic becomes a field of hostilities.Why would sides not find an independent side in the form of admin or senior moderator and not decide this conflict times and on always.Moreover, the Prosecutor is ready to provide all even secret data to an authoritative arbitrator.These accusations against each other can continue indefinitely.We need to resolve this issue at another level.

If these people wanted to agree on something, they would do it. But they did not reply to my letters within a month and a half. They simply ignore me since July 19.

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As far as I understand crypto services are forced to do that

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 05, 2018, 07:46:34 AM

I've read several scam accusations, that's why.

Following your words, I can write several thread on behalf of different accounts, and then you will find the project fraud. All that we know is narrated by ni23457. There is no transaction, no wallet, nothing. Ask yourself why you often hear about this problem recently time, why this advertisement appeared.

I will say. The main thing you need to understand is that it's not advertising, it's drawing attention to spoil the reputation of the exchange.. Think over my words.

Did you know that ni23457 is playing a dirty game against the exchange? You can read my research, how he blackmails the exchange. Read here

He counts on the fact that changenow will give him 100 BCH without KYC procedure. I agree that maybe this is a violation, but why does ni23457 avoid it? Ask yourself.

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I can be arbitrator !!
I can quickly judge this issue here!
So both sides contact with me

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Quote from: navigatorus on September 05, 2018, 08:18:11 AM

This topic becomes a field of hostilities.

Oh, yes, guys! I see, in the last time the entire forum is just talking about changenow. Is not it amazing! Let's talk about the "victim of fraud" - ni23457, who FIRST paid for advertising to blame for fraud. The main thing you need to understand is that it's not advertising, it's drawing attention to spoil the reputation of the exchange. Think over my words.

If you're curious to find out how ni23457 is blackmailing changenow, read here It is interesting.

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