Topic: ChangeNow.io (Evercode Lab) - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins). - page 25. (Read 34477 times)

Another new ICO ))?

The whole story is getting scary with everyone wanting to have a peice. I would like to see how this ends.

ceounderhood

Google this one. But this all crazy, there are more persons involved all of this.

I just noticed this ad also in some of the threads in service discussion so I clicked the banner and brings me here, I'm just about to reply here about this one and saw your reply. And yeah this ad is not just for some marketing pomotions but to raise awareness of this sh*t ICO.

Just an off topic response (mod can delete it if they want to)...

I have not looked into any details but just noticed that the OP is spending money to advertise this topic for awareness. S/he is paying money on advertising slot to display the add for this topic. Blow me  


Thumbs up by the way.

It's funny because you both user&exchanger are acting as scumbags (I will assume that you are just the "Mr hyde" part of the exchanger), and you are not finding a good equilibrium according to the game theory.


I think that the exchanger should just develop the clearest and simplest KYC procedure it can, not the best to find "scammers", but the minimum to comply the law. I doubt that video calls are a strict law requirement.

The user, on the other hand, should stop to try to damage the exchanger's businessas a form of blackmail and just give them the required info, at least some good quality fake info so they can say they tried to comply the law at their best.

Or you can just mutually destroy, just please keep on posting here so I can read while I eat my popcorn...

haha, I'll pay lots of money to see your face when the interpol will come, Mr. Scammer =))

P.S. did you know that CEO is not equal to “the owner”? I can create a company and hire CEO for example from San Marino. It doesn’t mean that this company will be San Marino’s based company.

Yes, yes, regulations, PML, PMLFT, Interpol, Europol, regulatory authorities, KYC, AML - great words, I like it. But this is just words for kids. Not a single fact. The only fact that you can bring is a piece of paper from a Belize offshore company, bought for $1000 (the cheapest and dirtiest offshore zone in the world).

But I leave evidence in every post.


I say that you are from Russia and this is a fact.

https://s33.postimg.cc/cbhumumtr/Screenshot_from_2018-08-31_18-32-40.png

This is the last page of your WhitePapper (version 1.22 WhitePaper.NOWToken.v1.2.pdf?v=1.22)

Do you not deny it?


Why if I type in Google names of CEO and lead Developer I see that CEO and lead Developer are(until 2018-08-15) founders of Russian Evercode Lab ltd?

https://s33.postimg.cc/6olhpqmzj/Screenshot_from_2018-08-31_17-51-47.png



Do you want to say that Google and dozens of those sites are lying?

We obey the laws and regulations of Belize, as well as international PML Act and PMLFT regulations. We also cooperate with Interpol and Europol when it comes to financial crime, and there have been cases when we had official inquiries from those organisations.

ChangeNOW has never left its office. The office has never been located where ni23457 insists it has.

Companies change their whitepapers all the time, the information about the founders is always subject to change - that's how businesses are maintained. Still, there haven't been any changes in ChangeNOW's key staff. We aren't making a crowdsale and our key investors are acquainted with the key staff very well.

Evercode Lab is one of ChangeNOW's contractors. We don't see any reasons to hide it.

We aren't accusing anyone of anything. We simply don't have any right to do so as a business. However, we are lawfully obliged to check all of our suspicious clients and submit info about them to the regulatory authorities.

Nice, this is good to know. At last we are getting somewhere. I am interested and have a few questions, if you don't mind.

1. Who regulates your activities?
2. Is it true that you abandoned your St Petersburg office? if true, then why?
3. Why did you change all your founders information? Your whitepaper was recently redacted. This raises a red flag, and leads to many questions. You must know that it seems suspicious?
4. Is there a connection between you and Evercodelab? If true, why are you trying hard to obfuscate that?


5. What exactly are you accusing the user of? Document forging? Money laundering or are the coins stolen or ill-gotten from illegal activities? It would be nice if you clarify this, and maybe some of us would understand.

Hello! We're here with another update.
We are in the process of preparing a full-fledged legal claim that we are planning on submitting to the legal authorities. We will keep the community updated on that, if anyone's interested. We've carried out several legal audits and all the lawyers that audited us are ready to confirm that we are clean before the law. We aren't afraid of any legal checks and are completely ready to defend our case.

Crypto is really an harsh environment

I just read the whole topic with interest, my personal conclusion is that that exchanger is acting in a really unprofessional way mocking the user, but that they could be not scammers, but just some people acting borderline with the law and scared to receive a money laundry accusation.

But if you were scared of such consequences you shouldn't have started an "anonymous" service at all guys... if not anonymous, your service is not competitive.

On the user part, he went on the wrong side when he gave a fake ID, and I really can't understand why a clearly computer literate person should fear a video call, IF he gave real documents the second time.

This is my suggestion:

-On the exchange side, stop mocking the user and just decide if you want to be an anonymous legally-borderline service or a fully legal service, I doubt that actually you are TOTALLY compliant to the law even if you do some kyc verification for biggest txs.

-On the user side, just resign to give them your real personal info or to lose your money, if you don't want/can't sue them in a legal way. You have at least 100 btc on the "original" address you don't want to post and I can understand you are scared to be robbed, but even if you fear a "russian's mafia" physical attack you seems to be enough smart to just cold store your money in a secure place, like a caveau in a bank. There are richer person to kidnap if you even fear something like that, and if you will be robbed/kidnapped the connection with the evil russians should be enough for a serious investigation. You are not an ideal victim.

You both seems to fear a police investigation, in my opinion the user fear taxes or some crime accusation, and the exchanger fear to be investigated for money laundry.

Next step could be using a dummy man paid to act as OP in the video (with a third ID of course), and/or the exchanger claiming OP to be using a dummy man....


Just make peace, men...

I received this message from Changenow and in the spirit of fairness, I figured I'd post my reply here instead.

Nevertheless, we, being sure we're in the RIGHT here

What are you talking about? What makes you right in this case? You call the OP a scammer, but you haven't provided a single shred of evidence to back that up, other than he sent you forged documents? I see kids in the US using fake IDs everyday, does that make them scammers. How exactly has he scammed you?

On the other hand, you are the ones holding over $70k of the OP's funds, and here you are claiming he scammed you? Despite your best efforts, I think you, Changenow.io, are the ones scamming here. You have lost absolutely nothing, He stands to lose 100 BCH, I don't understand your logic.

You are not a bank, or Interpol. You are just a few people from Russia, and yet, you have been illegally holding the users funds for over 2 months? What rights do you have to hold the funds? Kindly explain. Were you compelled to by the courts or the police?

I will remove my feedback when, you either pay him back or report this matter to the relevant authorities, and hand over to them the 100 BCH.

Regards.

OMFG, you should buy some pills from paranoia...

How about that:

You told that I'm in ignore list....Yet another lie according to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.44816892 (where you quote me)

Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Reppit/comments/92sdhx/self_unonpoliticalninjutsu_confirmed_trades/ - here you bought:

https://www.reddit.com/user/andyrgreig
https://www.reddit.com/user/spagrspagr
https://www.reddit.com/user/NekoMisa
https://www.reddit.com/user/radakito

Bitcointalk (shills):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bazinga442-1246188
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcoinewman-1246196
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/veronicasmithen03-2352582 - is it the same Veronika you used for your payed posts in media?


Check their last messages (don't worry I've made screenshots)

Also some more facts:

One more fake. Just look at their posts in my topics. They are all in the same style. Everyone accuses me of having stolen money from someone and everyone from Russia. I'm sure this is one person

matej krkic https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matej-krkic-307379
crazy_elky https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/crazyelky-1776263
Zalaster https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zalaster-2081838
dewinsec https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dewinsec-2265157
Vizefog https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vizefog-2361566


What are these black spots? You're not just an idiot. You're mentally retarded if you think that this shit can affect someone.
https://www.reddit.com/user/ni23457

ni23457, I think it's time to tell a little about you. So, as it became known, you started to engage in speculation of the members of this forum. Here's some information to think about. ni23457 published a message on Reddit, where he offered money for the dissemination of information he liked, in other words, he decided to buy trolls. «I want to BUY MANY VOTES! I will pay a lot. I have a lot of money!». Wrote a ni23457 right here http://archive.fo/iXMQm Therefore, you can not trust the words of this person, he is a fraudster, perhaps someone bought him for provocations.

FOR THE IDIOT:

(I see that he wrote something, but I do not see what, since he's on the ignore list. I'm sorry I just can not waste time reading the messages of a mentally ill person)

I agree, he is clearly hiding something. I think I will not be mistaken if I assume that he stole these BTCs, and now he is flushed with anger.

Hah, nobody can help him. I think he became paranoiac and crazy after stealing crypto. If the real owner of interpol finds him (I'm sure they will) he'll spend the rest of life in prison.

You have paranoia, my friend! You are too keen on your person. I think you need to see a doctor. Urgently!