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Quote from: Solosanz on November 18, 2024, 04:00:51 AM

Gambling is a bad deeds if you're a Muslim, if not there's nothing wrong with gambling.

There's a difference between pure donation and donation with gambling, in pure donation, you can't expect you will get a lot money because most people simply don't care with other people's lives. While gambling, many people like doing that, it's why some people ended up being an addict. Hence, this might be the reason why they created this project. There's no donation addict.

I think that gambling and donations have nothing in common, the difference is too great, when you donate you just consciously give money with the hope that this money will help those who need it, and when you gamble you hope to win and losing is a result that we do not want to get. Accordingly, losses in gambling are perceived completely differently than if you donated this money to charity, and the player will try to win back what he lost.

Yes, gambling and donation are the opposite. One side of gambling is to win money when playing. One party voluntarily gives the money they have to the other party.
I think this is a disguised activity, attracting people to gamble online. I do not believe that there are gamblers who want to lose to donate to charity. Everyone wants to win and win a lot of the money they bet. And the creator of this project doesn't necessarily want to donate to charity. Everyone has the goal of making money as 'players and project creators'. No one intends to do charity.

It is also difficult to say that this is a disguised activity to expand the gambling network because this charity can originate from the money that people gamble, the winnings of a lottery game will belong to a few people and the rest can be donated to charity, even the prizes for the winners are just symbolic gifts in terms of spirit. If a charity is designed like that, gambling here is just a fundraising entertainment activity, it is not purely forcing people to become gamblers because the money people spend will contribute to building the community, there is not too much personalization.

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Yes, that's what I mean, my friend, we know what and how gambling really is, most people who make gambling a place to make money often experience the opposite, in the sense that the majority of them actually lose almost all their money slowly and maybe we also often hear many people, especially those here, who say that gambling should not be used as a place to make money, understand that gambling is nothing more than a playground in your spare time, like an entertainment event when you have boring free time and is not something that should be done seriously.

The reason is clear that all the gamblers' winnings have been arranged by the casino, the gamblers play on the casino's advantage, another thing that I also question is where will the group get the money for the gambling capital? I'm not sure that there are people or parties who really want to sacrifice their money to be used as capital for activities that run based on probability, and of course I also quite agree with what you said that it is much better to donate the capital directly without having to put it in gambling first.

With other gamblers, we can't really get rid of their thoughts that gambling for them is a place to make money, especially if this is the one that has been planted in their minds as a source of money in an easy way.

Even though in reality it is not easy to make a profit in gambling unless you are lucky, it is easy to make a profit in the casino that's why we know that usually the gamblers who enter gambling platforms are losers.

Yes, it is not easy to change their perspective on gambling and that is one of the biggest reasons why gambling addiction is one of the most difficult diseases to overcome, none other than because they will stick to the thought and belief that gambling is the right place to change their fate financially even though it is clear that in fact this perspective and thought actually causes various problems with their financial situation, and this is also the reason that most likely in most cases a gambler who is already addicted will only realize that their perspective and understanding of gambling are wrong when they have experienced various significant setbacks.

Back to the main discussion where everything we said above I think is the biggest reason why gambling does not make sense to be used as a place to multiply money to be donated, even though the goal is good but the method seems unrealistic.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on November 18, 2024, 06:00:38 AM

Sounds good unless there's something else, like they are just using the "charity" as front to do gambling.

To consider the different perspectives on charity gambling is quite interesting. Some might see it as a creative way to raise funds for a good cause, while others could view it as potentially promoting gambling-related harm.
But if we are to consider the actual good of the Charity gambling, the potentials are quite good placing value on the cause of the gamble. In as much as the name tag may be heavy the cause is actually a genuine one. Notwithstanding, one wouldn’t categorize on it cause it’s more like saying. Selling drugs to the society to develop the city is a good cause. Even if it's for a good cause it doesn't negate the risk of gambling addictions. Instead of gambling why not directly donate to the charity.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 17, 2024, 07:02:49 AM

I like the idea of charity gambling, but when it is performed by celebrities, influencers or famous people. The fact that anyone can join-in and gamble against them, would attract more funds than just a charity box somewhere, or a banner that calls to raise money for something. People consider that as an event where they can show themselves, meet others, make new friends or contacts, and in addition gamble and lose money for a good deed.

Well, that could be a good event for them. Aside that they can attract more celebrities to gamble, then the more losses they will incur, the bigger the proceeds for the charity for a cause. The advantage here is that they don’t care if they lose knowing they have a lot of money to spend, unlike with regular people trying to gamble, once they lose, they also turn out as the losers who also need charity as well.

I can say that charity gambling have some similarities with charity auctions. People dont really need those items they bid on, but such event can increase attention to a problem or organization that money are raised for. Also some people rather not give money for something, when they get nothing in exchange. But when they participate in charity gambling, at least they understand that they pay for emotions and make good deed.

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Sounds good unless there's something else, like they are just using the "charity" as front to do gambling.

I mean, there's a lot of ways on how to get entertainment while you're raising funds to help other people or community that won't have negative effects on yourself in the long run. Nonetheless, if these kind of events are participated by profitable gamblers or professional gamblers, then why not.

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It is creative, yes. At least they have found a way to put the money they collect into good use but I also see that at the end of the day it’s just really almost about gambling. These people would bet higher not for the sake of helping more but for having more chances at winning.

I have seen this many times wherein the more privileged people engage in entertainment or leisure under the guise of helping the needy. For example, we see most auction sales donate to charity. But the people who go there are really just people wishing to buy something of value after flexing their wealth.

So, yes. It is still just gambling at the end of the day but also I am glad that there’s someone that’s being helped because of this. It is Better than nothing after all.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 17, 2024, 07:02:49 AM

I like the idea of charity gambling, but when it is performed by celebrities, influencers or famous people. The fact that anyone can join-in and gamble against them, would attract more funds than just a charity box somewhere, or a banner that calls to raise money for something. People consider that as an event where they can show themselves, meet others, make new friends or contacts, and in addition gamble and lose money for a good deed.

That’s i fact a pretty cool way to lose money while gambling right?
I mean if I’m to lose money through charity gambling, the it wouldn’t really be losing money because it’s just like your own way of donating or making your own contribution to charity or humanity and at the same time having fun on the process and still getting a chance to win too. To me, that’s a win win for me, because weather or I win or go back home win something, I’d still leave with lots of satisfaction that I didn’t lose all my money for nothing lol. Grin

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Quote from: Solosanz on November 18, 2024, 04:00:51 AM

Gambling is a bad deeds if you're a Muslim, if not there's nothing wrong with gambling.

There's a difference between pure donation and donation with gambling, in pure donation, you can't expect you will get a lot money because most people simply don't care with other people's lives. While gambling, many people like doing that, it's why some people ended up being an addict. Hence, this might be the reason why they created this project. There's no donation addict.

I think that gambling and donations have nothing in common, the difference is too great, when you donate you just consciously give money with the hope that this money will help those who need it, and when you gamble you hope to win and losing is a result that we do not want to get. Accordingly, losses in gambling are perceived completely differently than if you donated this money to charity, and the player will try to win back what he lost.

Yes, gambling and donation are the opposite. One side of gambling is to win money when playing. One party voluntarily gives the money they have to the other party.
I think this is a disguised activity, attracting people to gamble online. I do not believe that there are gamblers who want to lose to donate to charity. Everyone wants to win and win a lot of the money they bet. And the creator of this project doesn't necessarily want to donate to charity. Everyone has the goal of making money as 'players and project creators'. No one intends to do charity.

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Quote from: Solosanz on November 18, 2024, 04:00:51 AM

Quote from: rodskee on November 18, 2024, 02:54:09 AM

This is nothing but the same of coating the bad deeds with good one , gambling is gambling so what those charities are doing is using the chance of gamblers to take as advantage.

Why not seek for donations instead of letting others to gamble first just to fund their actions?

I would rather give some of my money to help them funds than to bet and lose for them .

Gambling is a bad deeds if you're a Muslim, if not there's nothing wrong with gambling.

There's a difference between pure donation and donation with gambling, in pure donation, you can't expect you will get a lot money because most people simply don't care with other people's lives. While gambling, many people like doing that, it's why some people ended up being an addict. Hence, this might be the reason why they created this project. There's no donation addict.

You are absolutely right, if we look at it from a religious point of view, gambling is totally forbidden in Islam, because it harms money and morals. But I don't know if it is prohibited in other religions, because I am also a Muslim.
In our religion, charity is completely selfless and The main purpose of giving charity is to help a needy person, which is an act of virtue, and as a result the Creator is pleased with the giver.
On the other hand, in gambling, there is always an expectation of profit or loss, which makes everyone addicted.

So there is no reason for attachment in the matter of charity, because it is done only for good and noble deeds. Which is completely selfless. And gambling only leads a man to disaster. And at some point gambling makes the gambler destitute.
So, it is not correct to compare gambling with charity.

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Quote from: Solosanz on November 18, 2024, 04:00:51 AM

Gambling is a bad deeds if you're a Muslim, if not there's nothing wrong with gambling.

There's a difference between pure donation and donation with gambling, in pure donation, you can't expect you will get a lot money because most people simply don't care with other people's lives. While gambling, many people like doing that, it's why some people ended up being an addict. Hence, this might be the reason why they created this project. There's no donation addict.

I understand your view on gambling especially in Islam and you are right in your view because Islam says it Haram.
You show that donating money without expecting anything back is different from gambling which can lead to addiction. This project probably wants people to give charitably without risks of gambling. By keeping donations and gambling separate they promote safe and selfless giving. Your point raises important questions can charity projects involving gambling balance fundraising with protecting people from harm?

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Quote from: kotajikikox on November 18, 2024, 02:48:50 AM

I don’t think it’s that deep, to be honest.

It’s just a little community activity that even contributes to the greater good which is donating to charity. Since it’s just the lottery, I don’t think it is that harmful and would promote unhealthy gambling activities.

In my country, it’s very normal for the communities to hold competitions like this one where a house/family is picked to win. Normally, we do not pay for anything. Just sign up and you’re in. But the fact that the proceeds here go to charity must mean a lot for the community as well since they know they will be helping people. The lottery prize is probably just a bonus for them.

What are you saying, its so deep than you will every think. The fact that they go to charity to run there campaign only proves one point that they are brining gambling closer even to those in need. We often see that orphans or the handicapped rarely go or dont go to the casinos to gamble because of lack of money or permission. But they might have the urge to gamble sometime. These organization will allow them to gamble free of charge, and in the comfort of the homes whenever they come. What you've not though about is where they get the money to offer the needy free gambling. Of course they play lottery and win big so they can sponsor, or perhaps they get fundraising from other gambler and lastly its either they run advert for some casinos and get paid for that.

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Quote from: Solosanz on November 18, 2024, 04:00:51 AM

Gambling is a bad deeds if you're a Muslim, if not there's nothing wrong with gambling.

There's a difference between pure donation and donation with gambling, in pure donation, you can't expect you will get a lot money because most people simply don't care with other people's lives. While gambling, many people like doing that, it's why some people ended up being an addict. Hence, this might be the reason why they created this project. There's no donation addict.

I think that gambling and donations have nothing in common, the difference is too great, when you donate you just consciously give money with the hope that this money will help those who need it, and when you gamble you hope to win and losing is a result that we do not want to get. Accordingly, losses in gambling are perceived completely differently than if you donated this money to charity, and the player will try to win back what he lost.

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Quote from: rodskee on November 18, 2024, 02:54:09 AM

This is nothing but the same of coating the bad deeds with good one , gambling is gambling so what those charities are doing is using the chance of gamblers to take as advantage.

Why not seek for donations instead of letting others to gamble first just to fund their actions?

I would rather give some of my money to help them funds than to bet and lose for them .

Gambling is a bad deeds if you're a Muslim, if not there's nothing wrong with gambling.

There's a difference between pure donation and donation with gambling, in pure donation, you can't expect you will get a lot money because most people simply don't care with other people's lives. While gambling, many people like doing that, it's why some people ended up being an addict. Hence, this might be the reason why they created this project. There's no donation addict.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

Have you heard of Charity gambling?

https://www.postcodelotterygroup.com/what-we-do/nationale-postcode-loterij/

This is nothing but the same of coating the bad deeds with good one , gambling is gambling so what those charities are doing is using the chance of gamblers to take as advantage.

Why not seek for donations instead of letting others to gamble first just to fund their actions?

I would rather give some of my money to help them funds than to bet and lose for them .

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Others might say that it conflict with charitable values as it linked to gambling-related harm. Have you been in one of this charity gambling in your locals?

One example of this kind of charity gambling is the Dutch Postcode Lottery.

I don’t think it’s that deep, to be honest.

It’s just a little community activity that even contributes to the greater good which is donating to charity. Since it’s just the lottery, I don’t think it is that harmful and would promote unhealthy gambling activities.

In my country, it’s very normal for the communities to hold competitions like this one where a house/family is picked to win. Normally, we do not pay for anything. Just sign up and you’re in. But the fact that the proceeds here go to charity must mean a lot for the community as well since they know they will be helping people. The lottery prize is probably just a bonus for them.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

Have you heard of Charity gambling?

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Charity gambling is a "form of incentivized giving" where a charity (or a group of charities), rather than a municipality or private casino, oversees gambling activities such as bingo, roulette, lottery, and slot machines and uses the proceeds to further its charitable aims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_gambling

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Others might say that it conflict with charitable values as it linked to gambling-related harm. Have you been in one of this charity gambling in your locals?

One example of this kind of charity gambling is the Dutch Postcode Lottery.

https://www.postcodelotterygroup.com/what-we-do/nationale-postcode-loterij/

Well, the only problem I am going to be having here is if by any chance or chances, the charity organization or group used funds that is donated to them for charity purposes to gamble, and worst of all is if they end up losing the money.

I've never heard of charity gambling before, and I've also not gone to the wiki page you shared to read more about it and how it's done, but then, using any form of gambling to raise funds for charity courses doesn't really sit well with my morales, gambling is meant to be a fun venture and not a source to raise funds from, and it is expected that an organization that is supposed to hold a high level of morale standards should understand that they shouldn't be the one breaking the rule of gambling by gambling way out of what the purpose of gambling is.

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Surprisingly they’re also benefiting since it’s related to gambling, charity giving can be considered as something given out freely without paying back in return. This is the first time I’m seeing this don’t know activity like such exist maybe I have not experienced or seen this happening in my locality. I’m sure gambling for a day can’t create any impact expect the person is already a gambler or addict, if they’re all having fun I see no need going against it besides the image above shows they’re having fun.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Hearing of the term "charity gambling " for the first time today and I think it is one interesting way to raise money for the purpose of charity. Charity donations doesn't have to be boring.

Gambling on its own is not bad, gambling becomes bad when people get addicted to it. In majority cases, people get addicted to gambling because of the financial benefits they stand to gain. After all, that is what gambling is all about, "stake some money to get more money". But here in charity gambling, people stake money without expecting anything in return. I see those who gamble for charity as selfless people and not just as gamblers because many will actually choose to gamble where they will get some financial benefits. This is one creative and fun way of raising money from gamblers and non-gamblers even if gambling is being promoted. It will be very unlikely that anyone would get addicted from gambling for free.

I agree with Jating's thoughts. I think this is one of the events to promote gambling.
with the embellishment of charity. certainly changes a little negative thinking from gambling activities.
and at that time, people who do not know gambling will try to deposit a little money and play there. as a novice gambler, of course they will not be able to control their emotions and whatever is in gambling. in the end of course they will be addicted to gambling too and deposit a lot of money. which was initially for charity, over time will make them run out of their own money because we already understand together how the gambling system works.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Hearing of the term "charity gambling " for the first time today and I think it is one interesting way to raise money for the purpose of charity. Charity donations doesn't have to be boring.

Gambling on its own is not bad, gambling becomes bad when people get addicted to it. In majority cases, people get addicted to gambling because of the financial benefits they stand to gain. After all, that is what gambling is all about, "stake some money to get more money". But here in charity gambling, people stake money without expecting anything in return. I see those who gamble for charity as selfless people and not just as gamblers because many will actually choose to gamble where they will get some financial benefits. This is one creative and fun way of raising money from gamblers and non-gamblers even if gambling is being promoted. It will be very unlikely that anyone would get addicted from gambling for free.

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So the point is I think the method is a bit strange, but yes for the purpose, yes I support that, but if there is another way that makes more sense to be used as an intermediary for collecting funds, then I think it is much better than gambling.

maybe they think they can take some money from the bookies to donate. but it seems all that is in vain. because the bookies will not provide continuous wins. even the system they create is to bankrupt their players.

so I agree, rather than sharing the results of gambling winnings for charity, it is better to give their gambling capital to charity directly.

Yes, that's what I mean, my friend, we know what and how gambling really is, most people who make gambling a place to make money often experience the opposite, in the sense that the majority of them actually lose almost all their money slowly and maybe we also often hear many people, especially those here, who say that gambling should not be used as a place to make money, understand that gambling is nothing more than a playground in your spare time, like an entertainment event when you have boring free time and is not something that should be done seriously.

The reason is clear that all the gamblers' winnings have been arranged by the casino, the gamblers play on the casino's advantage, another thing that I also question is where will the group get the money for the gambling capital? I'm not sure that there are people or parties who really want to sacrifice their money to be used as capital for activities that run based on probability, and of course I also quite agree with what you said that it is much better to donate the capital directly without having to put it in gambling first.

With other gamblers, we can't really get rid of their thoughts that gambling for them is a place to make money, especially if this is the one that has been planted in their minds as a source of money in an easy way.

Even though in reality it is not easy to make a profit in gambling unless you are lucky, it is easy to make a profit in the casino that's why we know that usually the gamblers who enter gambling platforms are losers.

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