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Quote from: Botnake on November 15, 2024, 06:15:53 PM

It’s still a form of promoting gambling, even if the intention is good. It’s similar to the state-sponsored lottery in our country, where the goal is to help the poor, but not all the proceeds actually go to them. “Charity gambling” sounds nice, but if the funds are coming mostly from the poor, since most bettors in these games are from low-income groups...it feels like it could create more problems. Honestly, combining gambling and charity just doesn’t sit well with me. Just my two cents.

Even though it is like a lottery, is the poor actually helped? What I see is that the poor are not helped, they cannot even reach them, everything ends before it is over. I have seen that it is like a state-sponsored lottery to help the poor, but it does not help the poor, it is only run to help them in name, but later the poor do not get any help from it.

Again, where the poor win the game and bet to get a good amount of money, but here it is seen that many poor people bet like this, from here only 1-2 people win, after winning, it is seen that one winner gets the difference between all the poor. I do not like this because with the money of the poor, other poor people are getting it. How do you see this, I think this is not reasonable or self-sufficient.

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Quote from: Ambatman on November 15, 2024, 05:19:04 PM

I know we say intent counts but Gambling is Gambling.
Even if it's for Good cause it doesn't negate the risk of gambling addictions.
Instead of gambling why not directly donate to the charity
This would be better and reduces cost of setting up the gambling platform.

Nope never heard of it, but the name doesn't really change much to me.

You are branding gambling as a complete negative while you are advertising it on your signature space. Gambling is a form of entertainment which means it’s not intended to make people addicted on it. Being addicted is the people choice not the game itself that’s why we should play responsibly.

This is same with drinking alcohols, cigarettes and etc. that people keep doing and addicted for a piece of pleasure.

At least on this charity gambling, they are giving back to the people instead using the money of other people that intended for entertainment purposes.

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Quote from: Oasisman on November 16, 2024, 05:03:34 AM

Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

Have you heard of Charity gambling?

If you ask the people in the PH, the answer will be a resounding YES, and take note, it is run by the government.
The intention is good, but because of the volume of money that's coming in and out every single day, officials are becoming more and more greedy.
The benefits they disbursed to their recipients are just a very few percentage of the money they earn from the bettors everyday. So, I don't think these charity gambling are solely aiming to help people, I think it's just the second intention next to earning easy money.

Unfortunately, some of those who operate this kind of charity gambling isn’t actually focused on giving charities, but more on satisfying their personal greed first before those people in need. The word charity is just an upfront, since the real motive is for them to profit personally before they raised funds to support a cause or other charitable endeavors. And if ever there are funds raised, the amount is not that high and significant, but still it can be a good help for other people in need.

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Quote from: acroman08 on November 16, 2024, 09:10:10 AM

Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Others might say that it conflict with charitable values as it linked to gambling-related harm. Have you been in one of this charity gambling

it is a creative way to raise funds for a good cause, I mean they are using what is usually looked at as "bad activity" for something good. does doing it promote gambling, maybe, but in the end, gambling is not the focus of the event.

yes, while other might see it as contradictory to charitable values, doesn't mean that it is, but in the end, peopel will have different views about charity gambling.

This is also my thinking here, it's the cause and that the very definition of gambling. So I do not see it promoting gambling in any form, besides, those who wants to join doesn't have that in mind, for them they will have to raise money for charitable cause.

And I also agree with someone who says that this could be accepted by a society that is not Muslim, as it is against their religion.

So morality wise, there is no argument here, join in let's say a lottery and bingo event. At the end, you go home, no harm done and your conscience is clear.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Others might say that it conflict with charitable values as it linked to gambling-related harm. Have you been in one of this charity gambling

it is a creative way to raise funds for a good cause, I mean they are using what is usually looked at as "bad activity" for something good. does doing it promote gambling, maybe, but in the end, gambling is not the focus of the event.

yes, while other might see it as contradictory to charitable values, doesn't mean that it is, but in the end, peopel will have different views about charity gambling.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

Have you heard of Charity gambling?

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Charity gambling is a "form of incentivized giving" where a charity (or a group of charities), rather than a municipality or private casino, oversees gambling activities such as bingo, roulette, lottery, and slot machines and uses the proceeds to further its charitable aims.

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Bingo charity is a very popular charity gambling here in our country. Even our local government is promoting it, Bingo is both entertainment and a form of gambling. I have already participated in many charity bingo events, and the atmosphere is very different when its about charity. People are interested in playing to contribute, and its just an added bonus for them if they win the major prize.
Charitable gambling is good depending on the kind of games and what institution or cause will benefit.

Well, I think you are in a better position to do justice to my question since you seem to be very well acknowledgeable about how these charitable gambling are done as it's the first time am getting to know about their existence. I don't want to judge from precedent replies because most of them lays emphasis on it being gambling in all sense or form of it without wanting to take into consideration the purpose it stands for.

Now my question. We all agree it's gambling and whatever gambling is involved in what mostly strikes into people's head is addiction. So, it's there any tendency that lovers of this form of gambling (in their urge to contribute) getting addicted to it as a result of its uniqueness? Or none exist, and assuming this can't bring about gambling addiction, why is that so? Hope you don't get vexed in my curiosity to know whether or not if actually the consequence outweighs the intended purpose.
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Quote from: danherbias07 on November 16, 2024, 05:24:57 AM

I have mixed thoughts about this.

We know gambling has been growing especially now and many gamblers seem to be enjoying it like a normal game although the risk involved is high. It has become a normal thing to do now and inserting charity might be a good idea. Online gambling or others had become a profitable business now and if a big part of it will be used for something good then I think there's no harm in it.
Still, I don't like the idea that the charity will start advertising gambling because they need players to start their activity. I think that is why I have mixed feelings about it.

Well, honestly, here in our country there is a charity gambling that we call PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweeptakes Office) where all the poor who can't afford to pay for the hospital, the government has a program that gives free medicine and expenses to patients who cannot afford to pay the bill.

This psco has been held by our government for the past few decades. Until now, it exists through the lottery, this is where they get all the costings for the poor as well.

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There’s nothing really new about this type of gambling since it’s essentially a lottery game, and we even have our own version run by the state... I don’t see anything wrong with it as it’s not the addictive kind of gambling. Lotteries are more about betting small and dreaming big, hoping to win millions.

For countries like the one mentioned in the OP, where the economy is stable, people are more willing to spend a little for a chance at the jackpot, especially if the lottery serves a good purpose. This Dutch Postcode Lottery is operated by the Postcode Lottery Group, a private entity in the Netherlands. Maybe their country doesn’t have a state-sponsored lottery, unlike here in the Philippines, where we have the PCSO, though it’s been involved in controversies recently.

And this really raises doubts about the credibility of the lottery. Good thing I still remember my previous post about this.
check this thread.

Quote from: freedomgo on January 18, 2024, 03:46:59 AM

This picture below with the woman holding a check is the winner of "P43 million lotto 6/42 jackpot prize on Wednesday, Jan. 17.".

That's almost $800k if converted in USD.

As we can see in the picture, it appears to be just an edited version, casting doubt on whether there was a genuine winner or if corrupt officials inside are attempting to claim the victory using that picture as evidence.

What's your thought about that picture, is it real or edicted?

How about in your area? How reputable are your state-sponsored casinos?

Source : https://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet/status/1747758509381574663/photo/1

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Quote from: Gozie51 on November 16, 2024, 06:00:59 AM

I tend to have the same view with you. Charity should not be seen as something that has to be attached with business and profit oriented, rather it should be something done out of people's volition and freewill and that is why for a long time, it has been on the exclusive reserve of NGOS and not what has to be staked upon.

If gambling is introduced to charity then explicit corruption will envelope the idea of charity. Gambling and charity for me doesn't look like a parallel line but parts afar from each other. Although it is an initiative but charity should not encourage gambling as gambling is about winning and losing.

I understand your point; however, I don't know if I'm seeing it wrong, but I see it as a donation; similarly to regular donations, it's just a way to attract more users/donators. Maybe I'm wrong, but I understand both points; I don't believe there's a yes or no answer to OP's question. I believe that corruption and gambling already go hand in hand; look at fixed matches, for example; perhaps its introduction in charity events isn't ideal, but I'm trying to see the more positive side of what they can actually offer to those in need.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

Have you heard of Charity gambling?

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Charity gambling is a "form of incentivized giving" where a charity (or a group of charities), rather than a municipality or private casino, oversees gambling activities such as bingo, roulette, lottery, and slot machines and uses the proceeds to further its charitable aims.

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Bingo charity is a very popular charity gambling here in our country. Even our local government is promoting it, Bingo is both entertainment and a form of gambling. I have already participated in many charity bingo events, and the atmosphere is very different when its about charity. People are interested in playing to contribute, and its just an added bonus for them if they win the major prize.
Charitable gambling is good depending on the kind of games and what institution or cause will benefit.

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Whatever the terms we want to call it to justify their actions, gambling is still gambling. And one way or the other they are promoting gambling. My question is how do they get the capital used for gambling and how often do they win to keep the organization running smoothly? I remember last year that there were a lot of rumors about these nonprofit organizations being scams.

Quote from: danherbias07 on November 16, 2024, 05:24:57 AM

Still, I don't like the idea that the charity will start advertising gambling because they need players to start their activity. I think that is why I have mixed feelings about it.

They can't stop advertising gambling because that is where they get their money to support the Charity. Another thing is that they get sponsored by some gambling platforms to advertise for them. At least the good thing is that there is a good way to use gambling wins, rather than spending it on drinking and smoking or chasing prostitutes.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on November 16, 2024, 05:24:57 AM

Online gambling or others had become a profitable business now and if a big part of it will be used for something good then I think there's no harm in it.
Still, I don't like the idea that the charity will start advertising gambling because they need players to start their activity. I think that is why I have mixed feelings about it.

I tend to have the same view with you. Charity should not be seen as something that has to be attached with business and profit oriented, rather it should be something done out of people's volition and freewill and that is why for a long time, it has been on the exclusive reserve of NGOS and not what has to be staked upon.

If gambling is introduced to charity then explicit corruption will envelope the idea of charity. Gambling and charity for me doesn't look like a parallel line but parts afar from each other. Although it is an initiative but charity should not encourage gambling as gambling is about winning and losing.

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I have mixed thoughts about this.

We know gambling has been growing especially now and many gamblers seem to be enjoying it like a normal game although the risk involved is high. It has become a normal thing to do now and inserting charity might be a good idea. Online gambling or others had become a profitable business now and if a big part of it will be used for something good then I think there's no harm in it.
Still, I don't like the idea that the charity will start advertising gambling because they need players to start their activity. I think that is why I have mixed feelings about it.

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That's can be achieved in a country where gambling is legal and majority of the citizen aren't Muslim, as long as the mission is good and they can be transparent, there's no problem with that.

Quote from: Smartprofit on November 16, 2024, 04:35:55 AM

However, I like to help people personally, for example, I give to the poor when I visit churches (this is an ancient Christian tradition). I believe that helping those in need brings good luck. In addition, such actions make the world a better place.

At the same time, I am wary of centralized charity. I have no way to check whether the money collected in this way is used for its intended purpose.

Did you mean tithe? 10% from your monthly income? how you can know that you give to the poor since the church is actually the one who distribute the money. It's nothing different like trusting your money with centralized charity, they will give the proof that they've sent the money, but after all we can't verify it.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

Have you heard of Charity gambling?

If you ask the people in the PH, the answer will be a resounding YES, and take note, it is run by the government.
The intention is good, but because of the volume of money that's coming in and out every single day, officials are becoming more and more greedy.
The benefits they disbursed to their recipients are just a very few percentage of the money they earn from the bettors everyday. So, I don't think these charity gambling are solely aiming to help people, I think it's just the second intention next to earning easy money.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on November 16, 2024, 12:58:50 AM

Mostly, gambling for charitable purposes takes the form of a lottery. These are the most common charitable gambling.

Yes, indeed, and I don't think it's a bad thing, as it's not a type of gambling that usually leads to problems. In fact, I don't know anyone who has had problems buying lottery tickets, or who buys too much compulsively, as happens with other types of gambling. In fact, when we talk about gambling here in the forum we don't usually include lottery in the games we are thinking about, although technically speaking it is a type of gambling.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on November 16, 2024, 02:12:23 AM

Quote from: Ambatman on November 15, 2024, 05:19:04 PM

Instead of gambling why not directly donate to the charity
This would be better and reduces cost of setting up the gambling platform.

I can't agree less with you on that – instead of gambling, why not directly donate it. Like you said earlier, gambling is gambling. In fact, there will be those who support charitable and philanthropic works but will find it difficult supporting this because of the gambling angle to it. Again, this will expose more people from a given community to gambling once they know it's for charity without taking into cognizance the addiction it can cause them, especially for those who will be gambling for the first time. I like things to be distinct and not being laced with a mixture such as we've it in this thread. The idea of gambling to raise money should be separated from charity. Maybe they should have an auction instead.

Because that's the whole team of this charity, others might perceived it as gambling, for example, you want to donate but you can't just go to the charity institutions and say give them $1.00 as donation. And that's why it is set to have like lottery that you can buy multiple tickets.

And there is this element of entertainment and fun at the same time. Just like the link posted by the OP, everyone seems to be very happy with their donations and they know that someone is going to win within their locality or neighborhood.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

Have you heard of Charity gambling?

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Charity gambling is a "form of incentivized giving" where a charity (or a group of charities), rather than a municipality or private casino, oversees gambling activities such as bingo, roulette, lottery, and slot machines and uses the proceeds to further its charitable aims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_gambling

What's your thoughts on this? Is it a creative way to raise funds for a good cause? Or will it simply promote gambling?

Others might say that it conflict with charitable values as it linked to gambling-related harm. Have you been in one of this charity gambling in your locals?

One example of this kind of charity gambling is the Dutch Postcode Lottery.

https://www.postcodelotterygroup.com/what-we-do/nationale-postcode-loterij/

A spade is a spade no matter the form it comes on. Gambling is gambling no matter the purpose. As much as it serves it purposes by which it was created. It also serves as a disadvantage to those who come hoping to make money from it.

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Yes, I played in a charity lottery. I bought one lottery ticket, but I didn’t win anything. I have mixed feelings about charity based on gambling. I think that people who find themselves in difficult situations need help.

However, I like to help people personally, for example, I give to the poor when I visit churches (this is an ancient Christian tradition). I believe that helping those in need brings good luck. In addition, such actions make the world a better place.

At the same time, I am wary of centralized charity. I have no way to check whether the money collected in this way is used for its intended purpose.

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Quote from: Jating on November 15, 2024, 04:55:41 PM

Have you heard of Charity gambling?

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Charity gambling is a "form of incentivized giving" where a charity (or a group of charities), rather than a municipality or private casino, oversees gambling activities such as bingo, roulette, lottery, and slot machines and uses the proceeds to further its charitable aims.

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This still considered as gambling because players are still in a form of wagering an amount of money, and for sure not all of their earnings are into the charity they need to make sustain of their casino, so to make it happen they need to have tons of players to play, and the charity is just part of their possible advocacy like the other business and establishment, afaik if not mistaken there's a legal thing that they can lessen the tax of the casino if they are offering this kind of movement, so possible its part of it.

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