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This item can go here. Not exactly kidnapping in the regular sense. But a kidnapping of the sexual identity nonetheless.
Norwegian children are no allowed by law to switch their gender after they are 7 years old. (Marriage is still only after 16).

http://www.thelocal.no/20150625/norway-to-let-7-yr-old-change-gender

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“This is an important area where Norway has lagged far behind many other countries for many years,” Health Minister Bent Høie  said as he announced the plan during the Oslo Pride festival. “Now we can be proud that we are implementing this law.”
 
According to the Norwegian Health Ministry, most European countries only allow citizens to change the gender assigned to them at birth after they turn 18.
 
However, Richard Köhler, of the Transgender Europe lobby group, told Reuters that the “gold standard” was to have no formal limit, as in Malta.
 
“Generally it is very good to allow very young transpersons to have their gender identity respected,” he said.

Needless to say, that physiologically, at 7 a child is only beginning to experience the actions of hormones, and both male and female hormones are at work (all boys remember how they start getting breasts). So at that age a child is particularly vulnerable as to their gender identity. Allowing to switch gender at that age is like giving a suicidally inclined person a loaded gun.



It is so rediculus that Norway is becomming a big money machine which needs to steal children to feed itself. Angry
As per research children are kidnapping from those parents who were unstable, too young etc.,can't take care off,etc.
The kids are shipped off to wealthy childless couples for a handsome "handling fee", plus these families actually get paid by the government for "taking care" of the children.  Smiley
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Norwegian children are now allowed by law to switch their gender after they are 7 years old. (Marriage is still only after 16).

I am not surprised at all. Norway is the same country, which ordered that the boys should sit down to urinate, just like the girls a few years ago:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html

Both Norway and Sweden are moving towards a genderless society, where there is no difference between the men and the women. In a few more years, there will be no men or women in these countries. There will be only androgynous humans.
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This item can go here. Not exactly kidnapping in the regular sense. But a kidnapping of the sexual identity nonetheless.
Norwegian children are no allowed by law to switch their gender after they are 7 years old. (Marriage is still only after 16).

http://www.thelocal.no/20150625/norway-to-let-7-yr-old-change-gender

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“This is an important area where Norway has lagged far behind many other countries for many years,” Health Minister Bent Høie  said as he announced the plan during the Oslo Pride festival. “Now we can be proud that we are implementing this law.”
 
According to the Norwegian Health Ministry, most European countries only allow citizens to change the gender assigned to them at birth after they turn 18.
 
However, Richard Köhler, of the Transgender Europe lobby group, told Reuters that the “gold standard” was to have no formal limit, as in Malta.
 
“Generally it is very good to allow very young transpersons to have their gender identity respected,” he said.

Needless to say, that physiologically, at 7 a child is only beginning to experience the actions of hormones, and both male and female hormones are at work (all boys remember how they start getting breasts). So at that age a child is particularly vulnerable as to their gender identity. Allowing to switch gender at that age is like giving a suicidally inclined person a loaded gun.


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The quote is from a Norwegian public scrutiny. It is almost 10 years since it was finished. Since then the situation is only getting worse.

It seems in other words that Norway’s child welfare arrangements rest on a paradox. The child welfare authorities tend to use methods about which there is little, systematic research-based information, and which therefore have a high ‘uncertainty’ rating, or which we ‘believe in’ because ‘it’s what we’re used to’. The interventions have been in use for decades and we have neither managed to establish exactly how they work or replace them with something else (‘new interventions’).

http://www.nibr.no/filer/2006-7.pdf

From "pdf-site" 23.
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30 May 2015

Ahead of the demonstration today:

Tomáš Zdechovský (KDU-ČSL): Say no to the norwegian terror!
Join the demonstrations which take place on the 30th May in many european cities (London, Oslo, Dublin, Prague, Edinburgh, Vilnius, Stavanger)!
Socialtjänsten i Marks kommun skändar familjer!, 27 mai 2015

Zdechovský also mentions Brno as a city where there will be a demonstration.

The website "Socialtjänsten i Marks kommun skändar familjer!" is a Swedish one, which brings a lot of information about CPS abuses from several countries (of course including Sweden, which is really 'worst in class'). The name means approximately "The Social Services in Marks Municipality abuses families!"

Here are some news reports from Russian-language media about the protests against the new Norwegian CPS law:

Protest in front of the Norwegian embassy in London, conducted by the emigrants from the former USSR and by Russian Mothers. People places photos of tens of children (predominantly of Russian/ex-USSR origin) that got kidnapped by Norway over the last year (video):
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201505301750-7tlz.htm

There was a picket in front of the Norwegian embassy in Tallinn, Estonia against "the Norwegian policy that allows it to expropriate children en mass":
http://www.interfax.ru/world/444708

According to the article, the activists from Estonia say that similar protests are conducted in 14 other countries, including Latvia, Lithuania, Denmark, Sweden, Great Britain, Poland, Slovakia, Russia, Czech Republic, Turkey.

The activists from "Parents of Estonia" say further that they are afraid that the same kind of marauding as in Norway (where a quarter of the children is institutionalised!) can start in Estonia, because Estonian laws are modelled after Norwegian ones.

Edit: And here it is:
http://dsnmp.ru/korolevstvo-plennyih-detey-i-vsemirnyiy-piket-za-semyu-trans-norvegiya-i-deti-video-18-dr-novosti-mirovogo-sodoma/

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News: Russian mother will go to the World rally on May 30, 2015 at 12:00 to the Norwegian embassies in Russia, the Czech Republic, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia,England, Germany, France and Holland. In Norway, at the same time, the People's Assembly will be held in Oslo against the anti-child policy of the Norwegian authorities, the practice of mass withdrawal of children from biological families of all nationalities.
Parents in all 10 countries will come to the Norwegian Embassies with photographs of the stolen children in Norway, and with mourning "roses" in their hands. The flower symbolizes the captive child, "confiscated" by the Norwegian Childpolice "Barnevern" from the family home. The parents from 10 countries will put mourning roses on the porch of the diplomatic mission of a country  that practices the punitive methods against the traditional families of Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other nations.
The purpose of the action - to draw attention to the fact that "the mass removal of children" in Norway is implementing gender ideology. In Norway, the Slavic children transformed into trans-Norwegians: see the documentary about the action "Trans-Norway".

In Czechia: http://www.kdejemojedite.cz/
https://www.facebook.com/CeskoVratmeDetiRodicum?pnref=story

The video, mentioned above, is in English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mF3ihYfYcw
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30 May 2015

Ahead of the demonstration today:

Tomáš Zdechovský (KDU-ČSL): Say no to the norwegian terror!
Join the demonstrations which take place on the 30th May in many european cities (London, Oslo, Dublin, Prague, Edinburgh, Vilnius, Stavanger)!
Socialtjänsten i Marks kommun skändar familjer!, 27 mai 2015

Zdechovský also mentions Brno as a city where there will be a demonstration.

The website "Socialtjänsten i Marks kommun skändar familjer!" is a Swedish one, which brings a lot of information about CPS abuses from several countries (of course including Sweden, which is really 'worst in class'). The name means approximately "The Social Services in Marks Municipality abuses families!"

  

  
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In reply to the OP, that's absolutely terrifying. I believe that it should be up to the parent how to raise their child, not the state. Governments often make sweeping, generalized decisions that don't work in all situations. Every kid is different. Parenting isn't a one-size-fits-all type of thing.

I also find it disturbing that even tourists can have their children taken away under this system, and that the Norwegian government uses the children themselves as informants!

This is just wrong!

Its actually quite similar to 1984 by Mr. Orwell. Parents are afraid of their own children. By the way, protests against Norway´s gestapo should be staged in countries such as Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Czech republic, Slovakia, Germany and possibly United Kingdom.

Yes, there should have been. On the other hand, the topic is coming up with certain regularity. I did a quick search using the following keywords: "пpoтecты пpoтив нopвeжcкoй cиcтeмы" (protests against Norwegian system). The results span several years (use Google translate to read the articles):

2012: (How Norway expropriates children from passing foreigners) http://slon.ru/world/kak_norvegiya_otnimaet_detey_u_zaezzhikh_inostrantsev-748576.xhtml

2012: (Russia stared diplomatic war for its children in Norway) http://inosmi.ru/world/20120214/185888131.html

2013: (The sunset of the juvenile policy of Europe) http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2013/01/28/zakat_zahvatnicheskoj_yuvenalnoj_politiki_v_evrope/ (One poignant fragment of the lecture: The roots of the juvenile technology go straight to Nazi Germany. Adolf Hitler opened the first children's shelters in Finland, Sweden, Norway and other countries for targeted change of the national code in children, expropriated from their parents. Hitler's technologies have taken root and hide today today under the guise of juvenile system to "save" the children all over Europe and the world from the biological parents. ... Also, according to the lecturer, Irina Bergset, the Norwegian "quota" for child expropriation has grown over the last 15 years from 500 to 4000 children per year.)

2014: (Norway violates the Rights of citizens of RF. Russia against Barnevern) http://www.soborjane.ru/news/norvegija_narushaet_prava_rossijan_rossija_protiv_barnevarn/2014-02-07-189 (Key case here is a Russian mother, whos child was taken away without presenting any charges or giving documents. She fights for 3 years now to get a right to exchange letters with her son - Skype, phone, e-mails, paper letter - all is prohibited!)

2014: (There is a coordinated system for extraction of children acting in Norway) http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/55171

EDIT: One lengthy, but very important interview, showing the work of a volunteer organisation "Russian Mothers", which tells about several cases of child kidnapping by Norway and how they helped out in each of the cases. This interview confirms many of the issues and specifics, raised by Marianne in this thread:
Refugees from the Juvenile War
http://ruskline.ru/opp/2013/9/27/bezhency_s_yuvenalnoj_vojny/
Do run it through Google translate, and if you have questions, I'll help translating some of the fragments on request.
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In reply to the OP, that's absolutely terrifying. I believe that it should be up to the parent how to raise their child, not the state. Governments often make sweeping, generalized decisions that don't work in all situations. Every kid is different. Parenting isn't a one-size-fits-all type of thing.

I also find it disturbing that even tourists can have their children taken away under this system, and that the Norwegian government uses the children themselves as informants!

This is just wrong!

Its actually quite similar to 1984 by Mr. Orwell. Parents are afraid of their own children. By the way, protests against Norway´s gestapo should be staged in countries such as Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Czech republic, Slovakia, Germany and possibly United Kingdom.
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^^^ They should have organized protests in Russia as well, as Russian citizens are one of the most affected groups by the Barnevernet child kidnapping. Still, I don't know how much effect this will have on the Barnevernet, as the local Norwegian media will not be giving any coverage at all to these acts.
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Some demonstrations are planned for Saturday 30 May:

Demonstrations against (Norwegian) child protection in many cities on 30 May 2015
The child protection system will also be a theme in the European Union on 2 June


The demonstrations have been planned for a long time. Probably the Norwegian child protection system will be in focus, at least in some of the demonstrations, but other Western countries are also under criticism and will very likely be en item, especially that of Britain (there is a very high number of complaints re child 'protection' and forced adoptions against Britain at the European Court of Human Rights these last few years).

It is not a bad thing if the central focus is on Norway, although the CPS is just as bad in some other countries and the philosophy driving it is usually the same. If one could effect a change in Norway – closing down the present system and starting to build, from scratch, a real social service – that would give a good foundation for effecting improvements in other countries afterwards.

As usual, the Norwegian press/media is almost uniformely silent. They have of course been trained and have their experience from an ideology which is rather uncritical of the politically correct in most fields. Also, they operate with something they call 'research', which is too superficial and quickly-in-and-out to suit a deep-rooted system gone wrong. A 'lone swallow' this time is:
 
Europeiske demonstrasjoner mot det norske barnevernet (European demonstrations against the Norwegian child protection agency)
Nettavisen, 24 May 2015


It is of course very uncertain how much of a success these demos will be but it is the right thing to attempt regardless. It is probably the only thing that can possibly stop the CPS abuses – long term information, except if a large scale catastrophe were to bring the system(s) to collapse, and we should not want that, since that kind of 'revolution' is apt to bring further disasters in its wake.

Demonstrations in Norway are planned in

Oslo
Stavanger
Trondhjem


In Oslo the demonstration will take place from 11 am until 3 pm, at Eidsvolls Plass outside Stortinget (Parliament).


Abroad there are demonstrations planned in

London
Dublin
Edinburgh

Stockholm
Copenhagen

Warszaw
Prague
Bratislava

Vilnius
Tallinn


I am sorry that neither Russia nor Turkey is in with the rest. However, that does not mean that they are passive or ignorant of CPS problems caused by Norway to their citizens, and whatever other political conflicts between countries, they certainly have shown correct insights and opinions in CPS matters. The Russian children's ombudsman, who is e.g mentioned in Nemo1024's last posting above, is certainly active, in a manner beneficial to children and parents.

The Czech politician who has worked especially against Norwegian child protection abuse is planning to come to Oslo on Saturday and be present at the demonstration here:
He is a Czech member of the EU parliament. His name is
Tomáš Zdechovský
There is quite a lot about his contribution in several postings in "the Czech thread" on Forum Redd Våre Barn. He has also been a leading motor in getting CPS debated in the European Union on 2 June.

A new article by Jan Simonsen is expected, probably today Thursday, on his blog. Presumably it will be in Norwegian, though, and it is doubtful whether there is much time for anyone to translate it. Nevertheless I will link to it here.
   Jan Simonsen visits the Czech Republic quite often, has many friends and connections there, and has contributed valuably there to disseminate information about Norwegian child protection. His work, too, is referred to here, in "the Czech thread".

  
  
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stop kidding me
I mean, I understand why things like this get in place. People like it when politicians say things like "I'm tough on abuse" it makes people feel better about themselvs knowing that their vote went toward someone that will stop abuse. But when policies get instituted they are too hard, and no one questions it until something bad happens to them.
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What do you think about the claim that the aim of the Norwegian CPS is to create serial killers by kidnapping children from their parents, placing them with homosexuals and having them sexually abused, TECSHARE?

Do you have any actual arguments, or just the regular "I know the facts aren't on my side so I'll just attack instead"?

Attack? I attacked you?

I have plenty of arguments, all of which you promptly ignored and began posting anyway.
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The fact that children are taken from healthy families by the Norwegian CPS, separated from their parents for months (or for life) and are placed with complete strangers (it's irrelevant if those strangers are LGBT [Lesbian Gomosexual Bestiality Transvestite]) is THE damning action. Everything else pales into irrelevance.

I have a feeling that hofor is one of those Ignore-list residents... Roll Eyes



Now, an update on the OP case of the 5-yo Oscar, who was taken from his parents last October on charges of his milk tooth being removed by his mother The boy was taken right out of a private(!) school and saw his parents only a few times since then. He is separated from his younger sister, who got salvaged in time from Norway. There are some good news.

Astahov posted on Instagram:
"Good news arrived, friends! There came a serious chance to beat the juvenile system of Norway and to liberate the (5yo) Oscar... In 1 or 2 months, if the parents endure all the conditions for meetings, contact, conduct, the young one will return..."
http://ria.ru/society/20150526/1066633748.html

The parents of Oscar plan to move to St. Petersburgh once the ordeal is over, according to Oscar's grandfather:
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26387.4/3264317/

And the latest:

Newspaper North Post, referencing Boris Cohan of Murmansk CPS said the the Norwegian authorities decided to return the child to his parents: "Norwegian CPS are presenting the plan to finalise all the required procedures. The parents agreed to undergo the special "educational" courses, which ensured that everyone could see the sincerity of the parents' attitude towards the child.", said Cohan.
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/05/27/n_7233769.shtml
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What do you think about the claim that the aim of the Norwegian CPS is to create serial killers by kidnapping children from their parents, placing them with homosexuals and having them sexually abused, TECSHARE?

Do you have any actual arguments, or just the regular "I know the facts aren't on my side so I'll just attack instead"?
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I see consensus management has arrived. I am surprised it took this long.
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This is the ultimate aim of this whole exercise. Kidnap normal children, and place them with homosexuals. More than 50% of these children will end up sexually abused, and some of them will become serial killers and rapists in the future.
Is this satire? Homosexuals turning people into serial killers! Wow.

Why are you so focused on homosexuals?
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A digression:
Norwegians have an incredible faith in the authorities. Recently, a farm was closed without trial. I tried getting some facts about the case. All I get is people's tribute to the authorities. It's disgusting.
Which farm was this, and what are your sources?

It would be nice to be able to verify a claim in this thread for once. It's really funny to see people accusing those who don't ignore factual information of uncritically accepting the authorities' version of thing, while they themselves at the same time automatically believe anything and everything as long as it's anti-CPS.
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Marianne, I agree that replying to hofor is a lost cause - I felt it once I read his reply to my post.
I actually find the new writer hofor's postings in this thread quite useful and welcome. They give a realistic illustration, for all of you who have never observed Norwegian child 'protection' close to, of what CPS victims and CPS critics regularly encounter, what Eva Michaláková is up against, what Gabrielius' family is up against. This is the way they are treated, by most of the general population, who are incredibly trustful of everything emanating from the authorities, and certainly by people close to the system (and that means some tens of thousands of people, actually, in professions which work along with the CPS).
It's interesting that both of you have  chosen to attack me instead of replying to my points. You two can't even answer simple questions, and you haven't even bothered to respond to multiple specific examples of false claims that I pointed out in your posts.

It's also interesting that Nemo1024 refers to it as a "cause." Ideology apparently defeats facts when fighting this "cause."

This kind of behavior - making unsubstantiated false claims, refusing to back them up, and attacking people instead - seems to be the modus operandi of the anti-CPS crowd in general, so I am not surprised that Marianne isn't getting much traction with her campaign. But it's got nothing to do with people trusting the authorities and everything to do with being caught while making false claims.

I find it suspicious (though it might be a coincidence), that after almost a month of this thread's inactivity, hofor appears out of the blue and revives it just about at the same time that the Lithuanian cases get a large media attention abroad, leading to Norwegian authorities announcing the need for PR services. As we know, PR can also be of a black variety....
I found this thread while searching for something else, IIRC. There was so much misinformation here that I wanted to respond. I had a hard time believing that people actually believed the obviously false claims that were peddled here.
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I find it funny, that you insist, because of high listings of Norway on some random lists in "human rights", that its institutions are above making mistakes, even questioning their decisions seems "weird" to you snow people.
This is nothing but a straw man. I have said nothing of the sorts.

The CPS in Norway can indeed be criticized for a number of things, but the criticism needs to be valid and not based on lies and false information.

Which part of this is Norway violating, and how?
All of those points, if Barnevernet made a mistake, destroyed foreign family and now refuses to abide by court ruling, common sense (ever heard of it?), basic human decency and United Nation Convention on Child Rights.
You didn't actually answer the question. Please be more specific about what and how. Vague claims may fly in your circles, but are certainly not good enough for me. Especially when it turns out most claims from those who oppose the CPS so far are demonstrably false.
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