Topic: Child Kidnappings by the Western-European States - page 5. (Read 72947 times)

Hadn't the family better bring the other two children to Russia, instantly, at all cost? After all, standard procedure of child protection systems in the Nordic countries is to consider it self-evident that if one child is punished, then the parents are sure to be monsters and to punish the other children too, so the authorities confiscate the other children also. "Just to be on the safe side" they are kept in foster homes until they are adults.

I know that Finland is pretty bad. The big problem in finding concrete information regularly is Finnish language. It belongs to a totally different language family from the Indo-European languages, so articles in Finnish are not accessible to nonFinnish speakers. The advantage here is that it concerns Russia, so that Nemo has been able to find info.

It comes in good time too: a demonstration in Moscow is planned for the 16th January. This is to be directed specifically against Norway (good) but it may hopefully draw attention to the child protection of other Western countries also (good). I'll be posting about the ongoing demos presently.
    

  

Another case of child kidnapping, this time in Finland from a Russian-Finnish couple:

http://ren.tv/node/71124

Their 10-year-old son Thomas was taken from school to an undisclosed location - that's all the parent's got to know. Finnish CPS said that they took the child because he allegedly said that his parents punished him for something. The child is one of three children in this family with Russian mother, Veronica Stopkina. The family now took contact with Russian authorities - Astakhov's offices - and with journalists, seeking help in returning their child.

  

Demonstrations are planned in several cities
around the world
over the Bodnariu case:

January 8        Washington, DC
January 8        England
January 9        Romania
January 9        Belgium
January 9        Germany
January 9        Canada
January 10      Spain
January 16      Czech Republic
January 17      India
January 30      Poland

The facebook announcement of the coming demonstrations

From India I am told that there will be a demonstration in New Delhi and that they will also try to arrange one in Kolkata. Cf the photos from the first large demonstration against Norwegian Barnevern: reportedly about 6000 people took part in Kolkata when Stavanger barnevern had confiscated the Bhattacharya-children:
The demo in Kolkata January 2012

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Without any comparison with the above:

Four of us held a little spontaneous "demonstration" outside the Norwegian Embassy in Prague in November! We were a little late with the posting of the teext and the photos, so we presented it as
Christmas greetings from Prague
Photos

  

  
Some news:

There have been several demonstrations regarding the CPS's removal of 5 children of a Norwegian/Romanian family in Norway:

Christian Family Whose 5 Kids Were Seized by Norway Planning International Protests:
"The Facebook post also explains that supporters are working to secure the ability to protest in other major cities in the United Kingdom, Ireland, United States, Belgium, Spain, Netherlands and even in Norway."

Demonstration in Bucuresti on 19 December 2015 (fine posters, photos, about 600 people)
Demonstration in Madrid on Boxing Day (fine photos)
Demonstration planned in London on 8 January 2016

Something about the case – as usual it starts with one accusation, then the CPS develops other charges:
The five children of a Rumanian-Norwegian family taken by Barnevernet (the child protection services, CPS) in Norway
  

  
Hello Fileanthropist, thank you from all of "us" for your encouragement! Good motto: Don't give up, this has to end!

You are certainly right that the initiative from the Nordic Committee for Human Rights (Nordisk Komité for Menneskelige Rettigheter) ought to have been mentioned. I know several of the people who signed their petition well, both Swedes and Norwegians. (They are not all members of the Committee.) There have been several other similar initiatives too in the Nordic countries. Our authorities - governments and bureaucracies - certainly know about them and have had every opportunity to take up the information they have provided, but it is unfortunately no accident that they do not; they know that their whole construction of "child protection" would topple if they were to listen.

Yes, the people on the list - certainly the ones I know - are reliable, but like the rest of us they have no actual power to stop the family-destructive cases and activities. Many receive cries of help from ever new persecuted families, but legislation and practice roll on ever more destructively, so it is practically impossible to help in individual cases, except if the family is able to flee, far away, in good time before the CPS gets their claws into them. I have come to believe that the only thing which has a hope of achieving a change in the long run may be publicising, especially bringing matters to the attention of people in countries which are not yet totally in the grips of the Western world's way of thinking.

(I was a vice-chairman of the NCHR/NKMR for some years, so I know a lot about their work. They have been active from the middle of the 1990s and are on the "right side", certainly. Like many NGOs working with difficult problems, however, and certainly like a stream of little organisations which have started out hopefully to combat CPS atrocities, they have had plenty of internal disagreements and worse, and a number of us left over questions of money and policy, and truth versus lies. They have since reorganised their website and done away with the old addresses to probably several thousand articles, so that even more links to their articles no longer function, which spoils a great deal of work done. - I just tell you this, it is no secret; it does not mean that I do not value the work done.)
  

Howdy people !
I've been recently digging into the CPS disaster and read this whole thread very thoroughly.
No one mentioned this initiative from 2012 signed by lawyers, ex-judges and other sur mainly from Sweden. It does't  seem to have had any effect yet, but these are actual people concerned families can  reliably turn to.
http://www.nkmr.org/docs/Report_to_the_European_Parliament_Petitions_Committee.pdf
Good luck and don't give up this has to end!

Nuke scandanavia

There is no need to attack a country which is having a population of less than 4 million, and where the males were emasculated decades ago. Norway will be Muslim majority in a few decades time. Once that happens, I hope that the child kidnapping will end and the LGBT lobby which is behind this drama will be exterminated.

Never. And, please, disregard that "Occupied" propaganda serial recently aired in Norway.

When Russia is going to attack Norway? Thanks 

  
A demonstration in Oslo on Saturday 5 December 2015, against 'Barnevernet' - the child protection 'service':

Some
photos
Videos

  

PICTURES ! PICTURES ! 

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When Suranya demonstrated in Delhi

Another event in India in connection with the Czech case:

Shortly after the letters to the Czech and the Norwegian embassies in New Delhi were sent and Suranya Aiyar was invited to the celebration at the Czech embassy, the Norwegian Foreign Minister was to visit New Delhi. An energetic Mrs Aiyar followed up by a very imaginative and courageous demonstration. The letters had been signed by a group, but this time she chose to demonstrate single-handed.

Suranya has told us how her day went:

On the day that the Norwegian Foreign Minister Børge Brende was visiting India, she fitted out her car with large posters or banners against the Norwegian child protection system (photos will follow). She drove around Delhi showing them, then parked her car close to the Norwegian embassy, where there was to be a lunch reception in honour of the Foreign Minister.

Guests coming to the reception could see the car, and so could the embassy staff. Complaints were made by the embassy to the police about the banners on her car and in a while the police arrived and asked her kindly to go away. Right – she drove off, but after driving around some blocks she returned.

While this was going on she posted on facebook, and had some 130 followers, mostly Scandinavians and Czechs (remember she sent her letters to the two embassies and to Czech media previously and got quite a few contacts in Czechia), cheering her and sharing the photos, and joining in the criticism of the child protection services.

When she kept coming back, the police, after having given her three warnings to take herself off, brought her to the police station.

The police, after asking to be explained what she was demonstrating about, offered to escort her to the embassy to deliver her memorandum. So they all went back to the embassy, where a memorandum was handed over.

Altogether Suranya had been able to demonstrate for about four hours around Delhi and at the Norwegian embassy. At the end of the day there were over 150 people on facebook cheering and congratulating the effort, mostly Scandinavians.

She sent out a press release:

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PRESS RELEASE 2 November 2015

Protesting against visiting Norwegian Foreign Minister Borge Brende, an activist, Suranya Aiyar, is driving around Delhi with the slogan “Norway Steals Children!” “Boycott Norway!”. Attached are photos [on facebook].

Under Norwegian laws child protection authorities can permanently remove children from parents, even of foreign nationals on holiday or short term work assignments there.

Aiyar, who has been campaigning against this form of child protection for some years, says that children are removed on frivolous and, often, racist grounds from innocent parents. Of particular concern to her and her supporters is the refusal of Norway to return such children even to extended family in their home countries.

In a case that occurred a few years ago with a Bengali family in Norway, the children were returned only after high level intervention by the Indian [authorities] and recently in a similar case of a Czech family, the Norwegian authorities have, so far, refused to repatriate such children to their extended family in Czechia and instead placed them for forced adoption to Norwegians. Norway has come under criticism from several countries for unjustifiably removing children from their parents.

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The press release was quickly picked up and commented on on the website of Sirf News:
Activist protests Norwegian ‘child snatching’ practice
Sirf News, 2 November 2015

Along with the supporting Scandinavians on facebook, the story was also picked up by a Brazilian group protesting the case of a Brazilian mother who took refuge in the Brazilian embassy in Oslo (cf Brazil's Embassy helps mother and child against abuse from the child protection services and Children confiscated from parents in Norway and Sweden).

We really must pay tribute to Suranya's resourcefullness and good courage to stand up for children's and their families' rights.

  

  
Here is a little that I found about the Rumanian / Norwegian family which the petition in the posting above is concerned with:

The five children of a Rumanian family taken by Barnevernet (the child protection services, CPS) in Norway

The family Bodnariu lives in Naustdal on the west coast of Norway, north of Bergen. There are many websites describing the case in Rumanian, although the case is only a few days old. Since the children appear to have been taken on grounds of religious raising (the CPS call it "religious indoctrination"), Christian websites are awake to the case.

Marius & Ruth Bodnariu, a Christian family persecuted in Norway! (The English version)
Popas pentru suflet, Christian Ionescu, 19 November 2015

"I am writing in support of my brother, Bodnariu Marian Constantin (Marius), a Romanian citizen, his wife Ruth Johanne Bodnariu, a Norwegian citizen, and their 5 children (Eliana, Naomi Matthew, John and baby Ezekiel who is only three months old) with joint citizenship in Romania and Norway."

"This past Monday, November 16th, Child Welfare Services (Barnevernet) “kidnapped” the two oldest children (Eliana and Naomi) from school without the knowledge of their parents.    Barnevarnet, accompanied by police, then came to the Bodnariu home and forcibly took custody of the two older boys (Matthew and John); leaving a devastated Ruth at home with only three month old Ezekiel while Marius was at work. Marius promptly came home from work to understand what was taking place and, together with Ruth, visited the police station and Barnevernet to resolve the situation.  Because Ruth was crying and devastated by the events, Barnevernet and four policemen showed up at their family home on Tuesday, November 17, without any court order or documentation, and also took 3 month old Ezekiel on the stated grounds that the mother posed a danger to her child."

The article goes on to describe with some insight the general activities of Barnevernet (although the writer does not seem informed about similar actions in the other countries of the Western world nor quite of the very many ethnic Norwegian families affected, although it is quite right that foreigners are over-represented):

"What happens in Norway via the Barneverent, under the guise of “child welfare,” is outrageous and unfathomable!  Children are considered property of the state; a premise utilized by the Barnevernet to abduct children and place them in foster family care for any unchecked/unregulated/unaudited reason as upheld by the Barnevernet. A quick search on the internet will yield results highlighting hundreds of cases of abuse and testimonies from affected families. The Barnevernet has a history of prevalently focusing their efforts on immigrant families or on families in which one of the parents is of a different nationality (as in my brother’s case, Romanian)."

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Norway Return the children to Bodnariu Family!
Blog on facebook, November 2015 –

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Norvegia: cinci copii de origine română preluați de Protecția Copilului, de la o familie din zona Bergen
Jurnal de Nord, Publicatie Romaneasca din Norvegia, 20 November 2015

This publication has a page in English and one in Norwegian too, but this article has not (not yet) been translated.

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Sustinem Familia Bodnariu Marius si Ruth si cei cinci copii ai lor – alaturati-va acestei familii
agnus dei, english + romanian blog, 19 November 2015


  

Obvious violations of human rights.

Pleace, sign this petition!

"THE BODNARIU FAMILY! THEIR CHILDREN WERE TAKEN AWAY ON CHARGES OF CHRISTIAN INDOCTRINATION"

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/christian-family-persecuted

Pictures ! 

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(How to add images?)

  
People in India have shown support for the Czech mother Eva Michaláková and her two sons. Led by a determined Suranya Aiyar, they have sent a letter of support to the Czech embassy in Delhi and a letter of complaint to the Norwegian embassy there, and have sent out a press release about this.

The publicity and support initiative taken in India re the Czech case
Press Release: Concerned Indians stand with Czech Republic in yet another Norway foster case
New Delhi, 14 October 2015

The letter of support to the Czech embassy in New Delhi from Indians who observe with concern the actions of Norwegian 'barnevernet' in the Czech case
New Delhi, 9 October 2014

The letter to the Norwegian embassy in New Delhi from Indians who observe with concern the actions of Norwegian 'barnevernet' in the Czech case
New Delhi, 9 October 2015


At the end of October, there was a large celebration at the Czech embassy in New Delhi in honour of their country's independence, and Mrs Aiyar was invited to it. (Cf my posting on 13 October above: The similar invitation in Prague to the Norwegian ambassador was withdrawn: Norwegian Ambassador Not Welcomed at Czech Presidential Seat). Mrs Aiyar brought with her and presented to the Czech ambassador a large card of congratulations, shaped like a heart, which on the "heart side" had a message of thanks to the Czech president Miloš Zeman for his support of Michaláková's family.
  

 

  
In this last case, that of a German father and Ukrainian mother fleeing from Norway and being arrested in Denmark:

The legislation making it illegal to take one's children out of Norway when they have been taken by the cnild protection services on a 'temporary, emergency measure' which has not yet been confirmed by the County Committee or a court, has not yet been implemented. It seems to have passed through the parliament for legislation, but is not yet in effect (this sometimes takes a while). So, the Norwegian police at first called on the Danish police to arrest the parents and send the children back to the emergency placement in Norway (the emergency had already lasted for 6 months), which the Danish police duly did. Then the Norwegian police sat down to look at the law and came to the conclusion that what the couple had done was not illegal. So they told Denmark to let the parents out of jail again. – The tragedy is that there is no question of the children being given back to the parents, of course; it is taken for granted that the children were 'saved' by being sent back to the CPS. I expect the children are now moved to a secret address and kept strictly from communicating with their parents or others who could pass on information.

Foreldrene skal slippes fri  (The parents are to be set free)
De to foreldrene som ble arrestert på Fyn etter å ha tatt med seg barna sine fra Moss sist torsdag har ikke gjort noe straffbart, har politiet funnet ut.  (The two parents who were arrested on Fyn after having taken their children with them from Moss last Thursday were not doing anything illegal, is what the police have found out.)
nrk Østfold, 16 November 2015

"Planen var å hente de to foreldrene i morgen, avhøre dem og fremstille dem for varetektsfengsling. Barna er tilbake hos Barnevernet."  (The plan was to fetch the two parents tomorrow, take them for questioning and ask the court to put them in jail pending trial. The children are back with the child protective services.)

"Det er fremmet et lovendringsforslag for Straffelovens §261 for Stortinget, som sannsynligvis vil gjøre dette straffbart på nyåret." (A change to the Criminal law §261 has been proposed in Parliament, which will probably make it criminal over the New Year.)

Fremskrittspartiet (The Progress Party) was, 15-20 years ago, the one party that, under the leadership of parliamentary representative John Alvheim in such matters, took the side of CPS victims. They even presented a parliamentary proposal to amend the law and several matters of practice connected with the CPS in 1995/96 (it was turned down with contempt by the other parties, of course). Around 2005, however, they had completely changed their tune and are now as cruel as everyone else. The ministry concerned with CPS matters even have the cabinet secretary, and she is just about the worst I can remember, is apparently unable to think for herself and does and says exactly what her ministry's bureaucrats instruct her to say. – Here we have a rather triumphant parliament member of the Progress Party 'promising' that even tighter dictatorship is coming very soon:

– Vi tetter smutthull i loven  (We are closing loopholes in the law)
Det skal bli slutt på at foreldre lovlig kan bortføre barna til utlandet etter at Barnevernet har gjort akuttvedtak, sier Ulf Leirstein i Stortingets justiskomité.  (There is going to be an end to parents being legally able to abduct the children to another country after the CPS has made an emergency decision, says Ulf Leirstein in the parliamentary justice committee.)
nrk Østfold, 17 November 2015

  

  
 
Yes, Bryant, it is a big chance to take. The parents believe what they want to believe: that the CPS action must have been some kind of mistake, and now things are in order again. Many Norwegians (and other immigrants here) do the same. They reason with their emotions, not with their rational sense and the information that is available. Those who have been incredibly lucky and excaped with their children to some other country which does not hand them back to Norway, keep planning to go back, and often do so when the case has seemingly calmed down. But the case has not died. The CPS people have not forgotten it, nor the municipality's lawyers and other authorities.

Our local administrations still devote extremely much time preventing anybody they can from escaping the CPS, however much time and money it takes to get them back and punish the parents. The situation just now is that all Norwegian districts have enough troubles, one would think, with people from everywhere pouring into the country to seek asylum and having to be quartered and fed and interviewed and registered. The newspapers are full of articles about the CPS having to be strengthened to take care of all the children coming in (the majority coming now are young, single men coming alone, but Norwegian ideology persists in calling everybody under 18 children). It still does not make the CPS any less hyperactive towards all those who seek to escape from their care. They just ask for more money and more personnel.

An example: Just a few days ago a German-Ukrainian family from Bergen, whose two daughters had been taken by the CPS and had for 6 months or so been placed in a temporary, emergency foster home in Moss south of Oslo, managed to get hold of the children and drive out of the country. They evidently used their own car driving south, though. When children have been taken by the CPS or are even under their attention, such items as the number of the family's car will be registered by the border posts and ferry companies. This family's car number "plinged" when they passed the border to Sweden and Denmark, and they were taken by the Danish police down on Fyn (the island between Copenhagen and Jutland, where they were headed to drive down to Germany). The Danish police cooperate willingly and totally without misgivings with Norway, of course. The parents were arrested and the daughters returned to the Norwegian CPS. The CPS lawyer said that this was an extremely serious offence on the part of the parents. The parents were put in detention in Denmark, and will remain imprisoned until they are extradited to Norway. – Lots of newspaper articles about the case, of a 'cops-and-robbers' type, entirely sympathetic to the authorities:

Etterlyser sort bil etter at to barn ble bortført i Moss (A wanted notice out for a black car after two children have been abducted in Moss)
Østlandets Blad, 12 November 2015  at 11:21 a.m.

Dansk politi: - Glad for å kunne hjelpe jentene (Danish police: - Glad to be able to help the girls)
abc News, 12 November 2015, at 7:21 p.m.

    
  

  
Unfortunately, kydranel, that is not the way it is in reality. This is no game of psychological vigilance, nor are the results of the CPS taking children into care positive or saving. On the contrary, both foster care and institutional care by the CPS have devastatingly bad results for children in all reliable statistics in the Western world, even when compared with children who live under the same conditions or worse than the children who are taken, but with their own families. You would do well to read more about it, without speculating too much until you know more. Why not start with some of Christopher Booker's articles about the activities of the British child protection 'services'?:

British press discovers the child 'protection' racket?
  
You don't have to believe anything I say, just click into Booker's articles in The Telegraph and the Daily Mail. Booker is a very respected, senior reporter.