Topic: Child Kidnappings by the Western-European States - page 3. (Read 72947 times)

I got more details on the case from another article:
http://www.vz.ru/society/2016/6/4/814383.html

Olga P. is divorced. Father is not specified in the girl's birth certificate.

Olga P. was arrested in the airport of Chicago upon arrival. She's been thrown into prison together with murderers, where she lost conciousness several times. She's been also equipped with GPS transmitter bracelet, so that she would not attempt to return to Russia.

She may be sentenced to life in prison for "abducting a person". Her ex-husband Horte Castillion filed the abduction report, saying that she didn't ask his permission to take her daughter to Russia. Castillio and Olga married in USA. the daughter was less than a year old back then. They divorced 1.5 years after. She says that if the man wanted to accept/acknowledge his daughter, he could have done that in Russia as well, but then he'd be forced to pay alimony. She sees it as his revenge on her.

Her daughter, the Russian citizen has been living in Russia with her grandparents for 2 years. The Illinois judge demand that the girl be sent to USA. However, the Russian Constitution prohibits extradition of an under-age Russian citizen to another country.

Russia has sent a note of protest to the US. State Department and is giving Olga P. legal assistance.

The Americans are going overboard with their mutually destructive tactics. Remember the incidents a few months ago, when a Russian national was kidnapped from the resort he was staying in Maldives, and brought to the United States? What will be the reaction of the Americans, if one of their nationals is kidnapped in some third world country, and then brought to Russia?  

  
If anybody can get anywhere, it must be Astakhov.

Would you enlighten us non-Russian-readers and tell us whether there is perhaps an American father, living in Illinois, in the picture?

Custody disputes between parents are hellishly difficult most of the time. It is much easier to see that a child is better off with parents, or at least one parent, or other biological family, than in the hands of a CPS authority. For one thing, the results of foster care, from every country where good studies have been made, are shown to be statistically so much worse than even growing up in difficult social and economic circumstances but in one's own biological family. Certainly there is individual variation, but the statistics, and therefore the prognosis for foster care, are glum.
  
  

And apropos arresting... The following news are from USA, but are still related to the topic of the "state owning your kid".

Astakhov's office reported that a female Russian citizen was arrested in USA for taking he daughter to Russia 2 years ago. Both mother and daughter are Russian citizens and USA did not have any objections to the girl going to Russia back then.

Now, after having arrested the mother as a hostage, the court of Illinois demands that the girl - a Russian citizen - is brought back to USA.

Astakhov's office and the Russian Foreign Ministry view American actions as utter lawlessness and will be giving full assistance to the kidnapped mother.

http://tass.ru/obschestvo/3338411

i am very impressed by your words.. arresting means the total kidnapping but governments kidnap people legally .. they say that we have allegations over you for that reason we have to enserf..

Kidnappers should be hanged

It is very true that the 'Child Protection' body (barnevernet) in fact separates children (in many cases permanently) from their families for totally fabricated reasons (see also BODNARIU CASE). This is no doubt profoundly traumatic for the children (this ill-famed institution breaking their hearts and spirit rather than protecting them as it should if it claims to do so) and it breaks the basic bond which forms in the early years thus endangering a healthy, affectionate or respectful relation with their parents for ever. It is a life-wrecking experience and destroys the children's lives and their family. Norway is a criminal Nazi country. The agreements with the European Union as part of the European Economic Area should be abolished. Norway breaks fundamental rights as children should also have fundamental rights, such as that to be allowed to live in their natural family ESPECIALLY in the years when their personality is formed. This Nazi country strikes terror in the heart of traditional, caring and God-fearing parents and people in general all around Europe. Norway apart from being the shame of Europe is murderous and ought to be firmly sanctioned in order to put an end to these outrageous breaches of human rights. Too many parents claim abuse against their children by this criminal institution. They can't be all wrong. And the truth about this abominable fact has to be told. It's unbelievable that these abductions continue to be carried on officially (or with official or legal sanction) in the 21st century in a country supposed to be connected with the EU.

It is a fairly complicated subject, I suggest you do your own research. It is related to the difference between maritime contract law and common law. Here is a brief video summary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfnJ1rOFK7o

I hear about the birth certificate giving the government ownership of your child pretty often. I don't have children yet but I don't want the state to have legal rights to me children. Do you have any more information or sources on this?

Not all people who have their children taken have done anything wrong. In most places it only takes a mere accusation, and some times not even that. Family courts in the US are an extra judicial civil code system outside of the normal rule of law, which is why they are notoriously hard to resist. Most people don't realize that when you get a birth certificate for your child you are literally handing ownership of them over to the county of their birth, which is how CPS/DCFS has this extra judicial power.

technically it's not kidnaping people, but keep people away from their daily activities because of their own faults.

anyway I think people kidnapping those children aren't govenrments, don't they?

Marianne, please watch the video I linked above and suggest his work to anyone you know trying to recover their children within common law nations. He is extremely effective at fighting the CPS/DCFS in the USA and getting children returned to their parents in the US. He is also willing to travel abroad occasionally to help families recover their children.

If it had been a question of some idiots striking out a line of their own or simply messing up a few cases, the faults would have been corrected and restitution made to the affected families. Unfortunately it is not. It is a system fault and it's serious.

  

Unless your the government

That's good of course that Norway protects children because they are most unprotected beings on this planet and suffer a lot in many countries where no one cares about their protection. The dark side of this protection is unappropriate usage of the law. There are always some bureaucratic idiots who will spoil any good intention and that is the case in OP's story.

If you live in a common law nation WATCH THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIvzxK5aZs8

  
Yes indeed, Mike!


Here is a rouser for 16 April:

Appeal to Oslo, Stryn, Bergen and the Rest of Norway!
Delight in Truth, 13 March 2016


  

That old quote just keeps coming back with these nanny state nations:

  
The European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg at long last seems to be getting tougher on the member states regarding CPS and forced adoption – the court may have become less trusting of the member states when the states explain away what they do to children and families?

Here is a Norwegian case of forced adoption which has now been accepted for trial by the ECtHR (hopefully, google translation will give some idea of the content, or else some capable Scandinavians can help with a proper translation?)

“Tvangsadopsjonen som kan endre norsk barnevern for alltid: – Barna mine spør om når de skal få treffe storebror. Det kan jeg ikke svare på”
Nå må Norge svare for seg i Den europeiske menneskerettighetsdomstolen.

(The forced adoption that can change Norwegian Barnevern (CPS) for ever: – My children ask when they can meet their big brother. I cannot answer them.
Now Norway has to answer to the European Court of Human Rights.)

Dagbladet, 12 March 2016
http://www.dagbladet.no/2016/03/12/nyheter/innenriks/barnevern/43463888/

The case can perhaps be found here as a pending case:
http://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=home  

Let us just hope that the Norwegian state does not WIN in Strasbourg!

  
Lots of things going on. Most important: all the demonstrations and interest abroad, of which the Norwegian authorities understand precisely nothing. Whenever they are asked, they answer by "explaining" how the system works, in other words as if the ones who ask are law-students who want to be informed about the procedure.

It has not yet dawned on our authorities that the foreigners ask about the content of CPS decisions, not about their form - that the questions in reality ask: "How can Norway defend doing this to children and parents?"

Or perhaps the authorities understand, but since they have no proper reply, they talk like parrots. Again and again.

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An interesting American website about both the Bodnariu case and other CPS cases and issues nowadays, is

Delight in Truth
http://delightintruth.com

The site has readers from actually every country on earth, it seems (cf the right-hand column), and I have out of interest made a little list of places in Norway which readers come from; the list runs to over 100 places now and there are still new arrivals.