Topic: China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ... - page 3. (Read 1137 times)

Regrets is something that i do believe for the government of China would able to felt and if we do consider on how rich they are on rankings compared to other countries then i dont really see that they would really be minding about revenue or profits out of those miner but i do agree that they do really lost up  that opportunity. Honestly, crypto community does really have  that kind of  bad impression due to their banning decisions
but look at on where we now?  How it did  really badly affect the market? Nothing that much right?  This do proves  out that  China government is everything.They could do those  decisions but doesnt mean
that it would be  completely be the end of  this  market.

Good thing they didn't have the "opportunity to monopolize bitcoin mining". We wouldn't want that to happen. Productive work force? What does that have to do with bitcoin mining?
Good they are moving and the miners are spreading. I really doubt the Chinese government are going to regret when Bitcoin gets accepted globally. They will have their own currency. They won't be needing bitcoin. And they will be fine without it like they have been for ages. We shouldn't be worrying about them.

Maybe in another 10 years, China will be remembered as the country that once had the opportunity to have a monopoly in Bitcoin mining. They had the perfect conditions - most affordable mining equipment, low cost electricity and productive workforce. But due to the stupidity of the government, the miners are moving their infrastructure to the neighboring countries such as Kazakhstan and Mongolia. And when global acceptance of Bitcoin happens, the Chinese government will regret about the lost opportunity they once had.

Wow it seems like a lot of hate. Not trying to defend China, but i don't think any country is always that bad. Of course countries have their own bad sides, the same with China. I don't know if what you said is true or not, but for some people China is great, and for some people, like you China is bad. I guess you shouldn't judge too much without knowing everything, or involving directly there. China has some great aspects too, and we can't deny that it has the power to influence the world, especially economically. Yeah there are negatives but it's not all, everything has their own white and black.

Everything is said correctly, but we need to add a little more.
It was the attempt to develop a purely Chinese industry that gave rise to a market for low-quality, unsafe goods. They focused on their own and neighboring markets, including, for example, the countries of the former USSR. And such production remains today. Some of these factories are really forced to "rebuild", because the requirements of the EU and CA markets are quite tough, and it is very difficult to push totally toxic goods there.
The second part of the production, mainly high-tech, was brought by Western countries. They trained the staff, supplied all the equipment. Technology came to China. And then there was a technological breakthrough, which probably no one expected. True, then China began to cheat, and in every possible way to create conditions for the "nationalization" of what was brought by Western companies. And most importantly, I began to massively steal available technologies, I remember this process since 2003, when Huawei and 3COM were responsible to Cisco for the VRP operating system and documentation for the Quidway router, all this was primitively stolen ... And apparently the process only intensified ...

But, be that as it may - now China is a real world player with the strongest regional and global influence.

Three decades ago, China was a poor and overpopulated country, with one-fourth of the population living in extreme poverty. The economic situation was similar to the neighboring nations such India and Myanmar. But starting from the early 90s, the Chinese government was able to increase the wealth level of its population, by establishing new manufacturing units with the help from western investors. It was a mutually beneficial decision. Western investors profited in terms of lower labour costs and relaxed regulations and the Chinese workers benefited from higher salaries. Obviously there were negatives as well. As you mentioned, many of these manufacturing units produce huge amounts of toxins and pollutants. The neighboring nations such as India followed the same policy, but with a lag of two decades. Now it is going to take them 20-25 years, to reach the same level of prosperity that the Chinese enjoy.

I guess that China is one of the "crazy countries"! It's a big country, and like with all big countries there are many pros and cons! I definitely don't agree with a headline, in big countries everything cannot be fine, and for sure everything is not bad... it's just a matter of perspective, and perspective depends on your position!
We can say whatever we want, China has made remarkable economic progress! Yes, they are doing things in their own way, and we can blame them for some unethical actions, but before we start to point fingers we should clean our hands first!

That's what China is good at, covering up, remember Tianamen Square massacre, we couldn't have known about it if there were no foreign media at that time to cover the massacre and thanks to those people, we saw what CCP for what they really are, although it's a bit sad that nothing has changed ever since.

You just made a really good point on this. Every country cannot be perfect, there will always be something that will be a flaw for them. In the case of USA, I would say that the reason why there is inequality is because there are people of different races: Asians, Blacks, Latinos, etc. So, there tends to be a division among them. But when you go to China, there isn’t a huge number of different races there, so it now seems like they are united.

So, you cannot find any country that is hundred percent perfect in any way. Even those countries where there are too much freedom, unlike China, you are always going to find some problems. Freedom is a good thing, but sometimes there are people who tends to misuse the freedom that’s given to them.

I understand your point of view, having a financially better life, not starving, not having trouble finding shelter, having a "decent" job (some find horrible jobs, some find good jobs just like in any nation) is all that you care about, and I respect that. However you are giving examples of nearby nations at all times, what about Norway? What about Finland? What about France? What about Germany? These are not nearby and they have democracy and they are doing fine? OF COURSE, they have problems, who could say that they don't.

Just an example, an amazon worker in USA making $15 an hour working 39 hours a week (to keep him under 40 hour threshold to not give him benefits and exploit his work) makes about 30k a year, the starvation level in USA for a family is 40k, so if one person works in that house, they are getting help from government, meaning tax payers pay for the rest of the salary for an amazon worker in USA, you see how horrible this is? However, I can criticize the government however I want, I can go on twitter and tweet FUCK JOE BIDEN and nothing will happen to me, NOTHING. Can you say the same for Chinese people saying that to president of their nation? Of course not.

This is the nation that has concentration camps for Muslims, ffs what are we talking about, THIS IS A NATION THAT HAS CONCENTRATION CAMPS, isn't that enough to say they are way too horrible to be liked? How can I like a nation that has concentration camps, that alone is a good enough reason to hate them big time, nothing else is even required? So, you may like their financial situation, but as long as they are doing disgusting things like this, I can never feel anything nice about them, not even 1% feeling for the government. This is not against any Chinese people, they are probably all fine (never met a Chinese person in my life before) it is just about government.

China is having much better growing rate due to their strict policies and ofcourse I am not interested to live in such a place where I don't have any freedom which needs for every basic humans to live their life and some religions were treated much more pathetic than general in China and no one ever drop a word about such behaviour from China.

It seems that the most confident person is you.You are a “definition king”.Let me enumerate the definition you have made：

• 1.just indicative of your communist background
• 2.CCP puppet
• 3.Dear CCP representative
• 4.CCP apologists

In addition, you are not discriminating against the opinions expressed by me. You are really discriminating against me.

I don’t know what your definition of cry about discrimination is. I just simply ask whether there is discrimination. To explain this objectively, do you understand it as cry?
Which government in the world is not a central authority? This is not what I said, this is what the history of mankind has told us for thousands of years. Those countries or groups that have centralized power have all perished in the course of history.

You think of my response to you as a kind of "manual". Your mind is imprisoned. Have you not noticed it yet? The opinions expressed by active users on the forum are understood by you as a "manual". When I talk about the problems of your country, if you only regard these problems as my strategy to attack you, do these problems no longer exist?

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I don't care what you say, I live in China and I don't envy any other country. As a girl, if I choose India or China, my answer is China. I might die in India. Do girls have freedom in India?

Your definition of "freedom" is different from the definition in countries like China. If the people are not satisfied with their rulers, then it will take only a few months to overthrow the regime. Communist regimes have become history in the former USSR and Eastern Europe. The Chinese believe that the alternative to the current regime will be even worse. And I would agree. I have visited countries in the neighborhood of China, such as India and Bangladesh. And what I could see was extreme exploitation of the poor people, by the so called "democratic" politicians and policemen. IMO, democracies in Asia are much worse than China.

At least some of you agreed with me, but even the ones who disagreed basically said "No I prefer a belly full of food and a dictator at the top instead of starvation and freedom" which I can sort of understand, I mean some people only thing of their own life and not the general politics which is understandable, it is totally understandable.

However nobody could deny that in the west we have freedom, sometimes things suck but at least it is freedom that brought us there, I rather not be in china in any case, people in China rarely know what they are missing because from birth to death they all are feed what government wants them to see, even their social media and everything else special for their own nation, they do not go to twitter and chat there easily, they use their own social media and government can see who says what and punishes accordingly.

I think that is just way too harsh, you can say they are at least feeding their citizens, but that is not good enough, without freedom everything else sucks.

Avoiding the public eye isn't the same as getting kidnapped or lost mysteriously (like QuadrigaCX exchange founder).


Most people would use part of that $1000/month to buy a VPN to bypass social media blockades but I doubt they would blink an eye about elections.



Yea. The US gov is no good at creating democracies in other countries (whether via CIA or direct invasion), because they're impatient and want everything finished immediately.

The British empire was the best at spawning governments IMO, they didn't mind waiting for a century to build them up. They should learn a thing or two from them.

How can you be so sure? Let's say someone living in the poorest part of the world has two choices. The first choice is to have a salary of $20 per month, but he can participate in the elections and has the freedom to use social media. The second choice is to have a salary of $1,000 per month. But in this case, he doesn't have the freedom to participate in the elections, or to use social media. If you believe that a majority would select the first option then you are wrong. You guys have no experience of living in poverty. And the so called democracies are not far behind China in terms of human rights abuses. You can check these wonderful incidents from the "so called" democracies:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9875781/Boy-eight-faces-DEATH-PENALTY-Pakistan-youngest-person-charged-blasphemy.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/30/bangladesh-indigenous-groups-chakma-khasi-santal-land-grab
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2020/12/1/scores-killed-in-gruesome-nigeria-massacre
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/hindus-christians-being-forcibly-converted-in-pakistan-s-sindh-us-lawmaker-1828774-2021-07-16
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/9/brazil-indigenous-group-sues-bolsonaro-at-icc-for-genocide

"We can't deny that China and US has the biggest power in financial, enough to suppress each other and affect other surrounding countries." - the question is, do you really think that China wants to suppress the US economy, or vice versa? Do you see a real benefit from this? It was in the USSR that the West was to blame for everything and he, the West "dreamed of capturing and enslaving us all" It seems to me that China is unlikely to claim world domination and the status of a world policeman, who the United States is now. China has its own interests in its own and nearby regions, but China is hardly ready to take responsibility for making decisions "for everyone" and implementing them around the world. China needs CONSUMERS of the products of its economy, without which the Chinese economy will collapse as quickly as it has grown, and then a revolutionary situation will immediately mature there. And consumers are the rich USA, EU and other highly developed countries, which provide the much needed CURRENCY for the development of China! So it is more profitable for China to have a more partnership with the United States than the status of enemies.

Nope, given how power hungry CCP is, I think that they aren't losing any power anytime soon. I would like to say that their totalitarian approach became more powerful and at the same time subtle, some things that I can think of are the citizenship points, mass surveillance, espionage, persecution of Uyghurs, Falun Gong organ harvests and Uyghur concentration camps.

Right, no country is perfect, no country is clean and pure. Every country has their own bad things, there is no way there is a perfect, great, awesome country with no flaws. Especially, china has different system, which might be quite controversial for people, no freedom, but they offer an equality. US might offer freedom, but not equality. The reason why people often mention these two countries, and compare them is due to their power. We can't deny that China and US has the biggest power in financial, enough to suppress each other and affect other surrounding countries. However, I don't think both countries is perfect enough, they all have their own pro and cons.

Unfortunately, there will never be an ideal state structure. All those close to the ideal are decades, if not centuries, of finding compromises. At the same time, the dissatisfied will still remain But unfortunately there are much more non-ideal regimes, and this is influenced by many nuances - geographical location, accepted historical traditions, the presence or absence of resources, culture, religion / belief, and much more! I will not speak for other countries, it will not be very correct, I can only speak for the territory where the USSR used to be - we still suffer from remnants of totalitarianism, many decades of lawlessness, lack of freedom, and respect for individuals and private property. And the real struggle for change, at least in my country, began actively only 5-6 years ago !!! For 30 years of the existence of independent Ukraine, 25 years the country was ruled by the "heirs" of the communist regime, the neighbors are still in power by "ghouls" for whom a person is an empty phrase ... At the same time, I cannot say that we are very bad live, even despite the status of one of the poorest countries in Europe. One "positive" feature is that with noticeably lower official incomes, the real income base is 2-5 times higher, depending on the areas of work. And frankly, there are not so many poor people as it should be in 2nd place from the end, in terms of income. At the same time, prices for a significant part of the products are lower than those of their neighbors and do not lose in quality.
The level of real "poverty", I think, is a situation when income is either not enough or only enough for the minimum necessary food, the inability to buy the necessary medicines, clothes and shoes, the lack of housing or the ability to rent. If there are no such problems, it's just a low standard of living. But there you can try to move to the "middle class" or the average standard of living.

And returning to China - a rather interesting situation has developed there - the communist regime, a technologically backward agrarian country of the 3rd world (30 years ago), on the one hand, and on the other hand, a "cunning" policy as a state, almost at the state level legalized violation of international copyright law. law, massive "copying" of Western goods and services, aggressive economic and financial policies in the zones of influence, manual control of the economy if necessary, and as a result, in 30 years, the "sleeping tiger woke up" and begins to return "its positions", and it seems not only positions will return but also new areas "acquire". At the same time, China has regions sparkling with wealth, and regions with wild poverty and lack of prospects ... But we will always pay attention to China - the situation in Southeast Asia, Oceania, Africa, and part of Central Asia depends on it ...