Topic: China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ... - page 7. (Read 1137 times)

The CCP has avoided mistakes that were committed by the other socialist nations. It is being said that the main reason for the collapse of the USSR was the crash in the oil prices. But that was just a trigger. The real reason was the huge increase in unproductive population in the central Asian states like Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, which overburdened the European part of the USSR. And China is taking steps to avoid a repetition of that scenario. They have imposed strict birth controls in Xinjiang, to prevent the unproductive population from exploding.

Interesting theory. Perhaps that could make Chinese's "suffering tolerance" extremely high, thus revolt only happened at the very last. But, according to the List of rebellions in China, they actually had many, but yeah the successful one took a long time.

I still think that the people will revolt no matter how deep the brainwashing and propaganda. It is useless if there is hunger in the streets. The hate will build up from the suffering, and finally released.

Although china's policy towards the people is far away the coronavirus originated from china. Then america europe russia are all against china in their hiding and various incidents it can be said that the work of uniting china in various ways including trade and commerce has started needless to say that is why they have chosen india as an alternative in our area. You will notice the sudden india china conflict and the feeling of war nothing happened that made the fight urgent in fact the problem is in one place and its impact is on the border it is only natural that china should look for friends in this region now.

The moment the Chinese government provides wider freedom to its people is the moment they question and even challenge the government's policies. And I guess the government itself is fully aware of this and, therefore, won't give it to its people. Dissents, oppositions, and the like are to be nipped in the bud. The Chinese people are free for as long as they toe the line. They are free within the boundaries set by the government.

For as long as the people are afraid, ignorant, sufficiently indoctrinated or brainwashed, and are completely willing to submit themselves to the government, everything's fine. That's the kind of fine in China right now. To another's standard, that's gruesome.

I was wondering if chinese might revolt against corruption, brutality and inhumane treatment. Then I remembered much of china's history is defined by one corrupt and inhumane ruling regime or another. Chinese rulers have a long and brutal history of punishing lawbreakers and dissidents using the most painful, unusual and barbaric methods they could devise. This trend stems far back in their history, long before communists had taken over the country. In some ways, a case might be made for chinese communists being more tolerant and humane than previous ruling dynasty's from china's past history.

To cite one possible example of this:


Does anyone remember traditional chinese foot binding of women?

It is possible that suffering has been culturally mandated by chinese culture for many years. Which could leave them without much in the way of alternative ideas of how to do things.

USSR dissolved in 70 years, but CCP now marks its tight grip for 72 years. Are we heading to the endgame of CCP? Maybe, because of covid. The problem with communism/socialism is always about the economy where the higher up corrupt as fuck enriching their inner circle, and the ordinary people remain poor (yes, 1st world countries also have corruption problem, BUT it's not as severe as China). Add it with no freedom of speech and stuff, including covid as the accelerant, literally will make suffering to the max.

Humans can break with a particular level of suffering, and once they break, the government will collapse.

China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ...

The other day I came across one very interesting article. True, it is in Russian, so I will give here a translation of the key parts for discussion. And you can read the article itself using google translate.

Link to article: https://eduardrubin.blogspot.com/2021/08/blog-post.html

And now the key blocks that seem to me to be the most interesting for discussion. The essence of the article - on the one hand, we see the "beauty" of the Chinese economy, incredible leaps in production and technology, prospects, the struggle for world domination ... But it turns out to be behind a screen that hides reality from us, things are not so good. And some of the processes that have begun to take place - and generally look very negative ... I am interested in your opinion - what will happen to China in the coming years? The collapse of the economy and the existing economic freedoms, or will the government still give preference to development rather than preserving their places and subordinating those who want to think and live as a free person?

"... China, in order to become the first power in the world and the world financial center, had to deny the Communist Party (CCP) a monopoly on capital. This did not happen, from my point of view, China failed its civilizational choice. no, we'll see in fifty years.
The CCP, after decades of being a freeman named Deng Xiaoping, is tightening the screws on all of its entrepreneurs. It is still possible to earn money, it is already forbidden to receive a representation for this money. That is, you can earn a lot, but more than a certain amount or under certain conditions is no longer possible. "

".... The CCP, by the way, are talking about this directly. Chinese elders want international investments to enter China not where it is profitable for them, but where the CCP needs. The CCP still loves Huawei and ZTE, because they are controlled by 146 %.
And the rest of the market, which has blossomed in China, is now a pitchfork. Because capital always requires political representation, and the CCP is not ready to give it. The story that stability (tm) can provide an inflow of investments ends. The age-old question of whether capital provides gradual democratization has once again been answered that, yes, it does. And now, within the framework of China's new path, this democratization is curtailed - along with capital, which did not even have time to really generate it. "

"... The Communist Party puts under control the capital that roamed during the Chinese NEP. Because it is afraid of this capital. The Bukhara slogan of 1925" Get rich, accumulate, develop your economy! " and his interpretation by Deng Xiaoping from 1978 "White cat, black cat ... The main thing is that she catches rats."
The CCP's control over capital will significantly add the tactical fortress of the Chinese model and strengthen Xi Jipin's power, but strategically it is encapsulation. Chinese capital is being forcibly torn away from the world. Separate non-transparent rules of the game and social obligations are imposed on them. And, the further, the more difficult it will be for China to follow the achievements of the Western world, because capital has to move on its own, if not it is not capital, but the party moves. "

The problem is that the Chinese Communist Party realized that "the people received a lot of freedom, and began to adopt Western freedoms, and consider it natural. This means that there is no totalitarian power, there is no total submission, there is no total control. This means that the weight of the CCP is losing its influence. "