Topic: China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ... - page 5. (Read 1155 times)

Your interpretation of those two sentences above as "contradictory" is just indicative of your communist background. You are finding it hard to understand the idiomatic usage of "All voices are allowed space", when talking about Freedom of expression in the context of Democracy as opposed to the controlled flow of information and Party high-handedness in such matters in your communist utopia.

That rhetoric and whataboutery adds nothing to the debate of Freedom vs Communist Control. Like I said in my previous post, the free people of the world can see through the Chinese agenda of trying to portray their "system" as superior. The world has been through this charade multiple times. Stop jailing your businessmen for "picking quarrels" and maybe we'll talk.

I haven't "corrected" myself. Its just idiomatic usage that I wouldn't expect a CCP puppet to understand. You are forgiven for your ignorance. Lets move on.

I don't know what you mean by "extreme liberalism in your mouth". From my understanding of the playbook of CCP handles like yours, I guess you are trying to strengthen your argument by quoting the constant Conservative vs Liberalism debate of western democracies as some sort of weakness.

No it isn't. Those in power everywhere have always looked for ways to exploit cheap labor enabled by the masses. Capitalism looks for reducing costs and optimizing profitability doesn't mean that the Chinese haven't exploited labor.

Duh..Stop comparing intellect dude. Say what you want to say. You aren't convincing anyone on the forum that you aren't a CCP handle or that China's system of control and monitoring is somehow a glowing example for the rest of the world to emulate.

this could also be the reason why China is investing everywhere like in Africa to Europe to which they have done so for almost 20 years now. they couldn't just spend their money to build infrastructures around the depressed area in China because they need more money coming into them and to realize this, they need the belt and road. the silk road of old times where they can trade to the outside world.

true they are capitalist now but they don't have all the resources, this is even the reason why they want Taiwan back to join the mainland. they grab contested islands in SCS because they needed all these resources not just for military force. i'm sure they are willing to go to war for this power they have. they need to protect themselves to remain rich but so is the US.

I don't agree with any of the points you have posted here. The economic system in China is almost 100% capitalist. They moved away from the failed socialist system many decades ago (after watching what happened in the former USSR). Until the 1980s, China was both authoritarian and socialist. Now China is authoritarian and capitalist. And this is the most successful political system.

Democracy has failed all over the world. The democratic governments need to increase their handouts and freebie distribution every year to remain in power and this has meant that in almost all of the democracies, the federal debt is now more than 100% of the GDP. This is not a viable scenario in the long term. China on the other hand has managed to remain free of the debt-trap, even with very low tax levels.

exactly what governments are doing, they want to control and we can't just fight it because we all belong to our government. people in China or in US are no different.
the Chinese have freedom, the rate of tourists everywhere is that Chinese are the top tourist, they have the freedom to travel. today, they even invest in many countries buying hectares of land in every place. isn't that freedom achieved by the Chinese?

they can talk against their government, they just have to do it in hiding. but they can talk out loud if they are somewhere else but don't expect the government will just cry. every government hasn't proved to be effective.

if you take a look at democratic countries today and how they are rattled by people's freedom compare to the communist/socialist countries. its not fun for the government's side and it's not fun for the peace-loving people when there are protesting everywhere becuase everyone got a gun of their own because of the 2nd menment.

In theory, you should also believe in tooth fairies
And now about the reality - communism is a social system, the basis of production relations for which is social ownership of the means of production, in which there is no division into classes, the opposition between town and country, between mental and physical labor, has been eliminated, and distribution according to needs is carried out.
This is the classic definition. Now answer 2 questions:
1. Why is your description of communism completely inconsistent with its concept?
2. Name the countries with an attempt to implement communism, and where did something at least 1% work out, besides totalitarianism?

The reason China is lasting for a longer amount of time than the USSR has to do with the fact that they made a compromise on their views, they accepted that it was impossible for them to remain 100% communist and they accepted a little bit of capitalism in order to survive, but they are not realizing that even that small amount of capitalism is going to be enough to bring China down.

In a way this is very similar to what happened to Sparta and Athens, Sparta was obsessed with maintaining their society just as it was and when they finally beat Athens they thought that everything was going to be fine but then the cultural and economic freedom of Athens got all over Sparta like a virus eventually causing its fall, and I expect something similar to happen to China.

Don't read it.

Who knows?

I am not sure about the level of control they have but what i know is that if anyone who stands against the government will be prosecuted in China and they will form some sort of manipulating in prosecuting anyone who stands against them to convince the general public and the difference is that in the Western world you cannot always get away just like that.

Even with the situation with Snowden and Assange the majority of the general public will not believe what the government tells all the time and that freedom cannot be enjoyed by people in China to even raise their voice against the government and that is a huge difference.

china has control over their people. but this is no different in every country because government has the authority to do so. its citizen whether they like it or not they are bound to the laws of government.

Snowden and Assange are just few of the whistle blowers being silenced. Theyd have to seek nuetral places to be free otherwise theyd be prosecuted too. There is no freedom everywhere actually.

Assange citizenship was even revoked and now to be extradited while the daughter of Huawei CEO has nothing to do with spying is being detained in Canada and possibly sent to US for trial. are we seeing democracy in her situation?  its just like what Belarus president did to that journalist held in Minz airport.

Propaganda and information control also happens in Western, Snowden for example. It is all about the trust of the government. Unlike western, in China, if you do a poll, the government still have a very high degree of trust. Maybe because the citizens' free will have not grown to that level so that individuals start to require more freedom. In general CCP officers need to go through lots of education and practice in moral standard and hard work close to lowest level people, so even if they have the possibility to corrupt, it is not out of control like some countries in Africa and South America

That's because they want to be the knight in shining armor that they want to be so they try their best to cover up their imperfections, think of China like a whore, they try to lie to you so they can get the attention that they want and hopefully get some favors out of you that only benefits her and then you will keep coming back. The control of information is the greatest weapon there is and China is using it really well.

Each country has different national conditions and different history, but the people will always find a way to adapt to their own country. The path of socialism with Chinese characteristics is also their way. To speak of China alone, I think
Advantage:

1. Their history before the founding of the country was very tragic. After the Second World War, they gave up their Confucianism for thousands of years, believed in Marxism, and walked out of the current path of Chinese characteristics. As far as I know, their rural life They have all reached the short-term goals stated by their leaders.

2. Taking this epidemic as an example, I have seen in many media that their Communist Party requires doctors and nurses to stick to their work regardless of the situation and save people first. And they don't allow people to go out. The epidemic is well controlled. In June, their countries no longer need to wear masks and can travel and live freely. Sometimes a one-party dictatorship can really save a lot of trouble and time.

3. Their goal is communism. In Marx's introduction to communism:

Now, quite extensive and detailed information has appeared in the news, which, with rather significant evidence, indicates that the coronavirus was invented in Russia and, with the help of Iranian special services, was transferred to China with the legend that this virus was seized in Iraq. In China, he was placed in a laboratory in Wuhan. Putin dispatched two teams at intervals to infect Wuhan lab workers with the coronavirus to depict it leaking from the lab. And the Ukrainian plane in Tehran was shot down deliberately, since the samples of the coronavirus were transported on board to Canada and thus it was destroyed.
Now in China they already know about this and Putin is very afraid of revenge. Therefore, he recently closed in his bunker.
If all this rises at the official levels, then Putin will be in trouble.

The fundamental difference between communism and capitalism is the private ownership of large amount of capitals

In communism, only state owns large properties like land and vital enterprises, private person are not even able to own their own land, at best they own the house built on land borrowed from state

This gives them a huge advantage when the country is under fast development and construction, since all the resources in the country can be utilized by a single directive. They could isolate and kill the virus by quarantine since all the people in country must comply with CCP leadership.

While in a capitalism country, what you see is much slower development in infrastructure, all the private land owners have different interests, and they can not reach an agreement easily. An infrastructure project can drag out for decades to finish

If you happened to own lots of properties, you definitely want to stay in western and enjoy your freedom in your own land; but if you own nothing, you feel better in China where you can just spend half a dollar travel with good public transport in major cities, 2 dollar for delicious and cheap meal, and 300 dollars for renting a nice apartment a month

It turns out that freedom is defined by you. The definition you defined yesterday is different from the definition you defined today.

What are your thoughts on your country? What path have you chosen now? Has your country followed the path you chose?Have you chosen the person you wish to be represented？You are all strangers to these, Sudra.

everyone gets to choose their representative？Do you know what the people's congress system is? China’s current system is what you call freedom.

The sentence "Stupid people who cast their stupid votes" is used to refute what you said, everyone decides the direction together.Now that you have corrected what you said earlier, then this sentence is of course invalid.

Do you recognize the mistake of extreme liberalism in your mouth? Or you just deliberately made these logically unreasonable remarks simply because you are prejudiced against CCP.


No, this is a forum, nothing to do with Twitter. Checking your historical posts has nothing to do with any other gender, nationality, or cultural issues.I just want to understand your background and think about what kind of thought control will lead you to say this. I just aimed at you.


Isn't the exploitation of cheap labor just the patent of capitalism?

Do you have an in-depth understanding of the case in your mouth? Still heard everything you know now in the media. Hope to take a good look at the information before you give examples.

Many contradictions exist in the contradictions of different countries, the contradictions of different religions, the contradictions of different currencies, the contradictions of different cultures, and the contradictions that do not use language.As long as these differences still exist, there will be no common doctrine.
Without a common belief, there will always be contradictions, wars will not stop, hunger will not disappear, and suffering will never end.

Everyone knows that China is only through the Internet, but there are some negative news about China on the Internet, and some people have the same view of China as before.
As a result, everyone's influence on China was not good at the beginning.
Technology is developing, the world is developing, and of course China is also developing very well.
But you may choose not to watch it,
The epidemic really started in China. Everyone was just blindly criticizing China (although it did need to be criticized), but China responded quickly and the epidemic was controlled from the beginning. Looking elsewhere, the virus is raging.
Everyone has a high degree of concern for China. what is the reason? This is because China is constantly improving.
Before talking about our understanding of China, we should get out of the Internet and truly feel China.
China is not perfect either. It rejected cryptocurrency, which is a big loss. Relatively regular, lack of adventurous spirit.
But all countries are moving in a good direction.

Dear CCP representative, Welcome to Democracy 101.

No, Democracy doesn't mean that "everyone decides the direction together". Representative Democracy means that everyone gets to choose their representative. It is also not just about the election procedure but also about having a free press and giving people the right to criticize those who govern them. I understand the concept is alien to you.

"Stupid people who cast their stupid votes". So typical of the CCP apologists. Equal rights to everyone means that everyone's vote counts. You may find it stupid because you have been accustomed to a communist system of hierarchy where speaking truth to power to akin to suicide.

LOL. So you went into my post history to come up with a retort quoting "caste system". If there was any doubt in my mind that the forum is being specifically targeted by Chinese handlers, this removes that doubt. I have seen the likes of you a lot on Twitter. You guys crawl out of your Weibo holes to global twitter whenever there is an image management issue for the CCP.

Wonder though, what are your masters finding so interesting about the forum as to direct attention here.

Why do you guys think that people judge China based on their history?? The rest of the world knows that the Chinese control the flow of information inside their country. They judge people based on their posting habits. Prominent businessmen are jailed and go missing on the pretext of "picking quarrels" if they dare criticize.

Amid all this, people in the free world also notice that the Chinese economy has gone full steam ahead (which is appreciable) but on an unfair advantage of exploiting cheap labor and stealing/ copying others IP. Huawei cannibalizing Canada's Nortel is a prime example. All of this happened because the West was too busy getting cheap manufacturing. Now, the Chinese are trying to portray themselves as some sort of governance example to follow. They are trying to present a picture of success. The ideological funding for communist thought in Australian institutions has been well established.

The people see all this and call out the bullshit by criticizing the Chinese on their slave society. This doesn't mean that we envy the people having a good life. Its good that fellow humans are not dying in famines anymore and enjoying prosperity. Yet, don't expect the rest of the world to suddenly start worshipping communist crap like the CCP or your supreme leader.

Common, that's ...
I've heard that theory one other forum and everyone forgets one thing, that for it to have "unproductive" population it the people that would have been born in those provinces before 1972 so they could be 18 and ready to work in 1990 would have to swift the balance in demographics, not the population in 1990.
Besides, there was no such thing as unproductive in communism, don't think you could stay at home and get food stamps.

Those states did grow in population but also stayed poor with no money spent from the central authorities on them either.
The most important things were
- the huge drop in oil prices (you can easily see how one drop hammered Russia's economy nowadays)
- the Chernobyl accident put enormous pressure on finances and manpower exactly when the URSS needed them most
- continuous loss of markets for products as their allies in the Warsaw pact grew also poorer and increasingly costly aid that was requested from other countries fighting the evil capitalists


Yeah, I've heard of the new vasectomy procedures in Xinjiang, far cheaper and easier to do than in the western world. One bullet to the head and there you go, "birth control".


And South Korea did the same without that much hacking and without a Communist part and a GFW. Same for Japan.