Topic: China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ... - page 4. (Read 1176 times)

That could just be a bit of hyperbole for effect from @dezoel but hey, its a figure of speech goddamit.

"Democracy is the dictatorship of majority". Wow, where did you come up with that?

I am all in for a debate about how democracies are flawed and how Facebook and Cambridge Analytica is ultimately turning us into slaves of the elite. This does not mean that I am about to shun my right to shit on those people and ideas and leaders who try such trickery. I am not ready to give up my right to protest or express just because I'll apparently get more rice. I don't know what this "Poor people" "cleaning river" "Construct toilets" argument has to do with authoritarianism versus freedom of expression. Its not like democracies haven't lifted out people from poverty throughout history.

Haha..Thanks for that beautiful piece of personal history NeuroticFish. I'd love to hear someone actually say that out loud. Rhyming "Axe" with the name of the General Secretary could sure have consequences, which explains why the elders sushed. It seems innocent to discuss these things now but when people are given more power than their egos can handle, it inevitably leads to disasters. I am glad nothing ever happened..

I had never heard of Ceausescu but co-incidentally, just last week, i watched "Legends" on youtube about Nadia Comaneci, the perfect 10 girl of gymnastics and there I saw a part where she met him after the Montreal Olympics. So i could recall the name about him being from Romania and Nadia defecting to the USA.

Thats what we've been trying to ask the CCP wolf warriors...lol..

No country is perfect. We can learn from their advantages and improve our shortcomings.
It's just that the government personnel of every country are above the top and feel that their policies are fine and they don't know how to improve.
Everyone has a high degree of attention to China, and I often see the keyword "China" on forums. Why is this?

Clearly. But that still doesn't stop us from telling them that they're wrong, now and then. Else some may start believing them, you know...  



Here I think that you are wrong. There are much worse in this world, countries with stronger dictatorship or internal wars for decades.



You may not be too far, (unless you meant Dick Cheney  ), but in the same time you're most probably somewhat inaccurate too.
I was kid in the last years of Ceausescu. You could read everywhere "Ceausescu si poporul" (Ceausescu and the people) and I just loved to rhyme it with "Ceausescu si toporul" (Ceausescu and the axe). While my parents were super scared every time I said that (and this kid was too small to understand why) and shushed me without explaining why, nothing has actually ever happened (luckily).

What I mean is although most probably the nation is full of informers, they won't care of just anybody without a tad more solid reasons.

Have you ever experienced living in poverty? It is easier to say like this. But in reality, 99% of the people just want to live comfortably, even if that means that they are living under an authoritarian regime. Just go and ask the ordinary Venezuelans whether they would be willing to swap their passports with the Chinese. I am sure that 90% plus would opt for that. Go to any poor country, and you will get the same response. Democracy is essentially the dictatorship of the majority. So what makes it any different from the system that they have in China?

Haha...I really needed someone to say this. I am not from the US but out here, we always see the best AND the worst of America out in the open. There are movies about how sick and violent some people were. How racist and white supremacists can some be. How Blacks and other minorities can be targeted or how they can sometimes be just hard MoFos dealing drugs, lol..

Then there is that beautiful side of it. The one where a small, immigrant family can make big. Where people will get together and recognize the sacrifices and contributions, will help a little child and do their best to alleviate pains of others. All of those things have come from that country. And LMAO about "Fuck Trump". I mean Jimmy Kimmel actually had Stormy Daniels talk about how small of a dick the president had. I think if a Chinese as much as mentioned Xi Jinping and Dick in the same sentence, he'd be rounded off to some unknown prison.

So when these people come over here and tell the people living under actual free governance about, "Ohh but your rivers are unclean", its really just laughable. I mean that is not even the point. These people just don't understand what "Spirit of freedom" even means.

Guys there will ALWAYS be sinotrolls around the world, even in bitcointalk, do not really care for what they are saying. Do not forget, this is the same nation that kills you and your entire family if you ever go against the dictator at the top.

In USA there are tons of horrible things, it is not a good nation to live in by many many standards, you end up paying 5k dollars (median average income is 58k so nearly 10% of your entire year worth of salary) just for a root canal for your tooth, it is really horrible but I can yell as hard as I can to the face of president FUCK JOE BIDEN and nothing will happen to me, we just had 4 years of saying Fuck Trump on TV and nothing happened, go ahead and try to do that on China and see what happens, you will be executed at best, your entire lineage will be executed probably.

Just because other nations suck, doesn't change the fact that China is the worst nation in the entire world, even worse than Russia. I rather live in Venezuela being in poverty and starvation than live in China if they paid for everything I need and then more, a mansion as a slave is worse than a hut as a free person.

Keep in mind that brain washing works full power on such countries and there's a high chance that he indeed believe all he says.



Indeed.
@The Ghoul: bitcoiners' mindset is on "don't trust, verify". That's hugely opposed to what your way of thinking, since you didn't care to check all you say from multiple sources (I know that it may not be easy if you live in China). I won't also say that you should check, since ignorance is a bliss and your life in your country may be easier if you don't question "them".



I second this. Big time.

Your language and comprehension coupled with your over-confidence makes it nearly impossible to have a debate but we try to be as open to ideas on this forum as possible. It seems that you have also gone on to cry about discrimination in Meta, so I'd like to convince you that none of this is about discriminating against you as an individual but about the philosophy you are trying to propagate. You will never convince the free people of the world, much less bitcoiners, that an optimal method of scoial governance needs an over-arching central authority "managing" the best for everyone else.

Your reply to my point about idiomatic usage of "All people are free to vote and express" in context of democracies just shows that your brain is unable to even comprehend democracy. Like i said earlier, lets leave it at that. You have already shown your true colors with expressions like "Stupid people with their stupid votes" etc., so there really is no need to elaborate on that. I will still address your typical CCP tactic of trying to target democracies for their internal problems. You clearly are up to date with your handbook of "talking points" with various nationalities. If its India, talk about Ganges and population and toilets. If its USA, talk about racism and BLM riots and Iraq.

I didn't address your country specific questions because that is really whataboutery (go search what that means), when we were  talking about the preference people have for free societies like democracies rather than controlled, curtailed, image management dependent societies like China or the erstwhile communist countries.

Still, because you insist, you should know that you have heard about above issues because the leadership has actually tried to address them and they are making considerable progress. I said in my very first post that Democracies aren't perfect and there are times when we ourselves jostle with the fact that decision-making can be so cumbersome and implementation can often be so far away from actual plans. Just look at the ongoing twists and turns in the US Senate about the crypto bill. A lot depends on the leadership at various levels and people get to choose depending on their performance. Sure the process can be slow.

This does not mean that China, with its system of suppression and controlled governance is the only country in the world that has progressed. Higher growth and happiness has been seen by several democracies historically. Just because China did well in the last decade is no proof that the system of suppressing free speech and controlling people isn't reprehensible.

People who live in democracies will never like a system in which they are assigned points for their behavior and businessmen are incarcerated for so much as even attempting to criticize the supreme leader or party. That thought is just alien and repugnant to the free mind.

I repeat again, nobody hates the fact that the Chinese people are better off than they were a few decades ago. We just have a certain dislike for propagandists from the Middle Kingdom who have been lately trying pretty hard to convince the rest of the world that they aren't wolves in sheep's clothing.

Is there discrimination in the forum

Sir.I even added a link to this post in the Mate section. I don't think I conceal any facts.

I just want to discuss my topic through this matter.
It's not like getting sympathy. I don't need to do this either.

You tell half-truth here, you conveniently forget people from certain regions and people who don't agree with the views of the party. And that is called shameless propaganda.

...And then you go on Meta and cry about discrimination?!
That's not nice. Not at all...

Is it? You rather go here?

Do you seriously think Xi Jinping and his inner circle will commit a suicide?

Really, how do you know? Based on data given by CCP? There's lack of openness there, garbage in, garbage out.

Repeat this mantra: "Cheap product from cheap/slave labour." Definitely not quality.

Do you seriously think Xi Jinping and his inner circle will commit a suicide? #2

Indeed they had everything to be put in power as well as controlling their economy within their desired standards. Communism in China had raised their country at top position with respect to business, and integrity of their competition along with other countries who developed quality products. Though the underlying issues they're facing right now about the low paying job for their countrymen, leaked but no confirmation yet from their leaders because media can't scrutinize deeply due to no democracy.

Please elaborate on your logical line of thinking. I don't know how you reasoned from A to B. If you do not have Alzheimer's disease, please edit your words again.

the idiomatic usage.Hearing you say that, I can probably understand your mentality as a far-right stubborn person.Others include: habits, management, tradition, and don’t change are all commonly used words in your mouth.


You didn't answer my question.Since you can't answer the above complicated questions, I will ask you some simpler questions.If you propose that your country repair toilets, will it be effective?If you propose to clean up the Ganges river, will this proposal pass?If you propose to increase the punishment for raping women, will this pass?

If not, then maybe the freedom you are talking about is verbal freedom. You have the right to speak, and your government ignore you.

Mention idiomatic usage again.Dear members of the extreme right. Do you wash your hands before eating curry every day?

doesn't mean that...，means that....Wow, you tell me that this sentence pattern is not correcting something? I suggest you go to kindergarten again.


Of course you don't understand, you have been brainwashed by Western capitalists.

The country is regarded by you as a passive thing. Its function is the function of the "police" and the function of the "night watchman". In addition to maintaining social order, the country should not control too much.However, the result of this laissez-faire view of the country in practice is that freedom has become the privilege of a few people, and monopolistic organizations have become the masters of society.



Since this is a common problem in various sovereign countries, please do not attack a certain country.You are forgiven for your ignorance. Lets move on.

Duh..Stop comparing intellect dude.I did not convince anyone on the forum. Please don't set up a false enemy.You reminded me of taking out a can of washing powder to responsibilities that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.I understand, the freedom in your mouth means what you want to do, no reason is needed.

First, remember the axiom:
Old age is not equal to wisdom! Over the years, dementia comes more often than wisdom!
 
Second, the east is a delicate matter. And if now the Communist Party of China can restrain the will of the people by force and repressive methods, then as history has shown more than once, the people's patience is not eternal, over the years discontent tends to accumulate, and so on to a critical mass. And then hundreds of millions of people will not be stopped by an army of millions, not by the precepts of Mao ... And yesterday's leaders will be stoned on the squares and roads. Most likely, they (the Communist Party) will not come up with anything better than to distract the people and raise the degree of patriotism with some kind of "small victorious war", For example, for the return of their historical lands ... This may still give 10-20 years of a moderate regime

The thing is.... the Chinese culture is so disciplined that they will not rise up to stop this. If things like this happened in Western countries, people will rebel against it and they will vote against the ruling party to remove their power, but this is sadly not happening in China. 

Let's not forget that we are dealing with a country with the oldest civilization in the world.... they should be teaching us how to be successful and we should be learning from their mistakes. 

I doubt if the CCP or their economy will collapse or end anytime soon. 

The Chinese people believe in Marxism, but at present they are only at the initial stage of socialism. It is very difficult to truly transform to communism, and it may not be possible to truly realize communism.

Indeed they had everything to be put in power as well as controlling their economy within their desired standards. Communism in China had raised their country at top position with respect to business, and integrity of their competition along with other countries who developed quality products. Though the underlying issues they're facing right now about the low paying job for their countrymen, leaked but no confirmation yet from their leaders because media can't scrutinize deeply due to no democracy.

Even though the crackdowns occur continuously and get severe punishments, it seems that the corruptors are always looking for loopholes to commit corruption. but we can see big countries such as China that carry out a communist system, where equality for the entire population is going well. and until now China is a big country that influences most countries in the world

They have the highest production rate of the different things sold for a cheap price.
People have jobs but that's it. You can't really get rich doing the daily job given to you. And there will be problems like health if you are working in a factory or other chemical manufacturing industry.
It will not take long before a civil war will happen. People of China will get exhausted about their daily repeated lives without the freedom to choose what they want to do. It looks good on the outside being on top of the production industry but it stinks on the inside with high labor and low salary.

China has controlled its large population ever since its holding its communist ideology. It's true there is a high level of corruption but its people do not protest about it because they know what will happens if they do so. As long as a countries economy is doing well and people are not starving to death they won't make any movements for collapsing the government in a country like China.