Topic: Christianity is Poison - page 40. (Read 52610 times)

Well, why do you blame God? He made the universe and people to work like perfect clockwork. Then the people teamed up with the devil and destroyed the perfection.

You simply don't understand how great and gigantic and penetrating the universe is. The salvation of Jesus is doing the exact thing that you blame God for not doing. The salvation of Jesus is bringing everything back to perfection.

Since God gave all people the strength to wreck the universe the first time, he has maintained that strength for those who want to keep it that way - wrecked. Keep the wrecked universe for yourself. I and the believers in Jesus are going into the corrected universe He has prepared for us, the exact thing that you complain that God hasn't done.

How in the world retarded can you get?

He never changed his demeanor, I've read the Bible and I get a completely different impression out of it.

He literally asks us to call him Father, so that's how I'm qualified. But you do bring up a fair point about fear: we fear him because he is just. Just like children fear their earthly father when they've done wrong and know that he's not okay with that.

It would take me a long time to completely address the jealous, vindictive, misogynistic, proslavery, homophobic and genocidal god thing, but you aren't getting the whole picture taking verses out of context. Here's a few points:

  --> He literally created us so it's not jealous (in the negative sense) to want obedience.
  --> Slavery in the bible is more like indentured servitude, and God commanded that slaves be treated well and given the chance to go free periodically unless they wanted to stay. It's nothing like American slavery or modern slavery, which God condemned: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” Exodus 21:16
  --> Homosexuality is a sin, but so is greed, gluttony, premarital sex, divorce, lust and turning a blind eye to the poor. God loves gay people just like he loves everyone else, because everyone has sinned. That *obviously* includes me. I've broken a good half of the 10 commandments. Some Christians have hateful biblical views on this topic, but that doesn't reflect the mind of God. He hates sin, but he doesn't hate us. A gay person who turns to Christ is in the same boat as my parents who are divorced, or myself since I've lied, cheated and stolen. But I believe we'll be in heaven.
  --> I'll admit, I have a hard time explaining why God would kill off a whole city. But remember that Abraham asked God to preserve the city if even one righteous person remained, and none did. God's justice makes us uncomfortable because we are sinners, but he is merciful which is why he send his son to die on the cross for our sins.
  --> He's certainly not misogynistic. I have no clue where you get that idea.

You are correct that God never changes: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever” and with God “there is no variation, or shifting shadow”

One final thought: The world is a pretty horrible place, and humans, not God are responsible for that. Who are we to judge God when we've screwed up so bad? We have people starving to death in a world of plenty! In India, more baby girls are murdered than are born in the US every year. Half the world is a warzone full of people defrauding and killing each other. Our marriages fail, our institutions are corrupt and greedy, and millions of people are in prison, some even being tortured. But yeah, let's ignore all that and judge God according to the standard that causes so much suffering on earth.

What makes you qualified to tell us what "our father in heaven" wants?

I have read the bible, and the god of Abraham was not a loving, just or merciful god... he was a jealous, vindictive, misogynistic, proslavery, homophobic and genocidal god... he was a god of fear, not a god of love... "The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom", etc

I cannot believe that an omniscient god would change his entire demeanor over the course of only one thousand years... a god who knew all of time and space, would not change his mind... ever... he would have been perfect from the beginning... which, the god of the bible clearly is not

^One thing that hasn't been proposed is that if we didn't have free will, we wouldn't be human but rather some sort of clone of God's mind. God wants us to love him because He is our Father and loves us. He wants us to follow Him not because we are slaves but because we are grateful for Him freeing us from slavery to sin and therefore *WANT* to be more like Him.

Our Father in heaven literally wants us to look at Him like the loving, just, merciful, generous father that He is.

And some christians do most hated things the bible mostly preached but there are really good people in them. I liked christians because it gives kids a chance to learn something recreative and musical insturments, but outside source too kids can learn.

And i think most atheist once learned the words of god and they just came to some sense either intrensic or extrensic.

So that you can have the enjoyment of deciding which non-sinful things to do.


Nobody is ever made to do wrong. However, it is an easy thing for us because of the ways that we are trained by parents... accidentally and incidentally if not intentionally.


This might be true part of the time, but there is also the feeling of shame, and the feeling of direct, imeadiate punishment in this life.



The only way we know what is right is through the information God placed into our hearts that has been handed down parents to children genetically. This means that the only reason we know what is right is because that "invisible, long haired, bearded guy" showed us how to be righteous.

Not really. If he doesn't want us to commit sin then why give us free will?
We are made to do wrong each and every single time. The only reason why people ask God for forgiveness is because of afterlife assurance. You see, that's what is wrong with the world right now. We expect something in return in every single thing that we do. Can't we just do the right thing just because it's right, not because an invisible, long haired, bearded guy wants us to do it?

That's it. As I have talked to many atheist they just talked the way they observed other Christians by word and not really as a true Christian following the Lord Jesus Christ. I have explained to them that there are fake Christians that doesn't live by faith and not following the teachings of the Lord.

It is fairly ironic that atheists go around preaching tolerance and then talk about how horrible Christianity is when their opinion is entirely based on a few loudmouths who claim to be Christians but don't really live God's word. Everyone is welcome at church and we are taught to preach God's love to all. Even our homosexual brothers and sisters whom we supposedly (but in reality do not) hate are more than welcome in our places of worship. We're happy to answer questions and have civil discussions with anyone who has doubts or problems with Christianity and we support freedom of thought and using logical reasoning to confirm and support faith. Finally, any real Christian will admit that we--every single one of us--are far from perfect and do wrong on a day to day basis. Sometimes this even includes hypocrisy, but we recognize that it's wrong and do our best to move on. Only by submitting ourselves in faith to Jesus Christ in his mercy can we be freed of our sins.

Concluding thought: All atheists are not Richard Dawkins, so don't treat all Christians as if we are Donald Trump.

I'm not against to atheist on what they believe. But don't tell that Christianity is poison and God is the one that kills people. What we just want is respect. Respect our beliefs and we'll respect what you believe also.

He can say everything he want cause we it's 21st century, lol. And Christianity and other religion it's just a reason of disputions and debates. That's why i am atheist

Don't tell that God is the one that kills people. It is us that kills ourselves by our sins. That's why God gave us free will to choose your own path, whether it's good or bad. It is your decision. And Christianity is not poison.

You are complaining that God allows you to make your own decisions? (And offers you forgiveness, as many times as you need it, when you mess up?)

Indeed, Christianity is Poison
God has killed like a lot of people because of their sins
If he doesn't want people doing sins then why give us free will?

If BADecker had been born in the Middle East, the Middle East would all be Christian by now.


The anti-religion religion is an exercise in self contradiction...
"Keeping you under the thumb" of stupid ignorance "so you do not resist authority."

Maybe you should actually read the Bible before you bash it. I edited your post to fix some inaccuracies:

If BADecker was born somewhere in the Middle east, he would be spouting Islamic verses all over this forum.

You really got to have a free mind to understand that religion is pure indoctrination, (poison) to keep you from understanding the truth.
Keeping you under the thumb so you do not resist authority.

I completely agree with your statement BADecker.

Just like this verse says.

Mark 8:36
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

God looks at the heart of a person. Don't be drawn away from God by some things that other people do... some of whom have been drawn away from God for the sake of wealth. Don't let anything draw you away from God. Why not? Because He will judge us all according to the thing that we believe, INDIVIDUALLY. Continue to believe in God. After all, you are really the only person you are responsible for regarding your faith in God.

It is even disgusting to see how humans can be negligible

I see people all the time saying:

"What is faith in God and that God will save them"

"What we have to love the next"

"What we can not lie. Rob and kill for it is a sin"

But the people I see in these words speaking church are the same people who are giving the order to burn houses with people inside it
Are the same people who are rich, who use diamonds and gold that came from mines where hundreds of people die

are the same people who go it in the church dressed in luxurious fabrics of clothes, gold filled and diamonds all over body
all these items are from countries where war not just because of religion ... blame for some people who want to earn a lot of money at the expense of other people's blood

See the Vatican for example ... look how priests dress, where it leaves the gold?

Look how some bastards are leaders when they go to the Vatican ... or it seems that people are unscrupulous people who have many bodies over his shoulder, great dictators ... if cmportam as if they were saints and have the courage to go to the Vatican to pray , to pray?

 pray for whom? murderous men pray for whom? men able to throw a bomb to annihilate a village made up of more than 600 people because oil want this in the village and go to the Vatican to pray for whom? God?
I think the religion you blind!