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Quote from: organofcorti on March 31, 2016, 04:36:57 PM

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Quote from: organofcorti on March 29, 2016, 11:57:16 PM

Hey, a testable prediction! Can you give us an estimate of when exactly you think Moloch's self-destruction will close in on him? I'd like to check it for accuracy.

Questions such as this one sometimes require observation over a few generations to decisively answer.

I'm happy for BADecker to claim a confidence interval for his claim. Otherwise it's just so much hot air.

Consider Revelation 9:6

That's not actually a confidence interval for a time period. You've answered a request for data with a wall of text I'm sure some found interesting, but I wanted data so I could design an experiment that would test your claim.

Can you provide that data?

Can't do it. Jesus says that nobody knows.

Other than that, when checking the gravestones for length of life, most people don't make it to more than a hundred years. So, come back in a hundred years and we can take it from there.

Of course, science might find a way to extend life indefinitely. And aside from getting hit by a Mack truck, Moloch might live for a long time if the anti-aging actually works. So come back after science implements anti-aging that extends life indefinitely, and we can take it from there.

If the judgment day comes first, you won't be able to use data or statistics anyway.

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Quote from: Moloch on March 31, 2016, 04:29:46 PM

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Guess it's easier to fight with a moron, isn't it?

You are a child who thinks we are fighting... I'm ignoring you, because you are trolling

You aren't even attempting to have a debate... BADecker is at least trying to debate, however poorly

You are simply attacking me, and trying to derail the conversation with 3-page long spam posts

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You are a child who thinks we are fighting...

I wasn't fighting, I was participating in a discussion that you started and refuting your claims. You're the one who just decided to take your ball and go home when you felt the heat coming.

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I'm ignoring you, because you are trolling

Sure, bud. I'll say what I said to the rather dense conspiracy theorist trickyriky:

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That warped view of the world again.... Keep telling yourself that - would be hard to fall asleep if you didn't.

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You aren't even attempting to have a debate... BADecker is at least trying to debate, however poorly

I am trying to discuss, it's just that you keep repeating "tl;dr" like a broken record and ignore any reasoning above the intelligence level of middle schooler.

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You are simply attacking me, and trying to derail the conversation with 3-page long spam posts

Yeah, because source-less and specifically your claims are OK, but claims backed by reasoning, arguments, sources and different perspectives is totally spam.

/sarcasm

Anyway, unless you actually have something substantial to add, with sources and evidence of course, I think I proved my point of you not looking to discuss but to bash religion, Moloch, duke of hypocrisy, deflection, ignorance and (although much more borderline than most) pseudo-intelligence - enjoy your titles. I'll let myself out. Wink

P.S. Extra points for calling a moderator of the forum you are discussing in a troll.

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Quote from: organofcorti on March 31, 2016, 04:41:24 PM

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Religion is pure evil.

True. But what does that say about all the people? All people are religious in one way or another.

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No, all people are not religious in one way or another.

People who are not religious about their breathing are not people. Their body's are people-like. But they are dead, and therefore are not entirely people. Other than that, all people are religious about their breathing if nothing else.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 31, 2016, 03:30:27 PM

Quote from: spazzdla on March 31, 2016, 03:27:42 PM

Religion is pure evil.

True. But what does that say about all the people? All people are religious in one way or another.

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No, all people are not religious in one way or another.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 30, 2016, 10:35:52 AM

Quote from: organofcorti on March 30, 2016, 02:40:16 AM

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Quote from: organofcorti on March 29, 2016, 11:57:16 PM

Hey, a testable prediction! Can you give us an estimate of when exactly you think Moloch's self-destruction will close in on him? I'd like to check it for accuracy.

Questions such as this one sometimes require observation over a few generations to decisively answer.

I'm happy for BADecker to claim a confidence interval for his claim. Otherwise it's just so much hot air.

Consider Revelation 9:6

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Quote from: mprep on March 31, 2016, 03:33:16 PM

Guess it's easier to fight with a moron, isn't it?

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Quote from: Sled on March 31, 2016, 03:34:02 PM

All the comments very confusing all you are not believing to god
has been already forgive if you are a good man.

All those believe god but not a good man is not yet forgiven
unless they repent their sins.

Christianity or any religion may be a poison but god dont want
religion either.

Sin makes time lost. Time cannot be returned even if the sinner pays for his sin in this life.

The only way to receive Heaven is to believe that Jesus took punishment for all sins, even time lost.

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Quote from: Moloch on March 31, 2016, 02:52:21 PM

Quote from: mprep on March 31, 2016, 02:45:38 PM

tl;dr

I hope you realize nobody reads tl;dr posts...

Troll me all you want with them, nobody will ever read it...

I'll answer anyone who is remotely civil and can keep it concise... How many times have I replied to BADecker? And he's a moron...

Quote from: organofcorti on March 30, 2016, 04:59:01 PM

Troll me all you want with them, nobody will ever read it...

Trolling's against the rules. If you think this is trolling, report my tl;dr posts, I dare you. Or is it that I just provide arguments, evidence and perspective that isn't beneficial to the agenda you're trying to push? Funny, how you call out fundamental Christians as intolerant to the perspective of others, yet you call me a troll.

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I'll answer anyone who is remotely civil and can keep it concise...

There is no concise in a discussion on such a broad topic as religion (specifically the morality of Christianity). And civil went out the window the second you started a thread called "Christianity is Poison" with memes equating any kind of Christian to the extreme fundamentalists that represent the worst parts in any religion.

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How many times have I replied to BADecker? And he's a moron...

Guess it's easier to fight with a moron, isn't it? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: spazzdla on March 31, 2016, 03:27:42 PM

Religion is pure evil.

True. But what does that say about all the people? All people are religious in one way or another.

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Religion is pure evil.

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Quote from: Moloch on March 31, 2016, 02:23:57 PM

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The real point isn't slavery. If a slave had not been a slave, in some cases his life would have been longer, and in other cases it would have been shorter. But both slave and master die in this life. And the time of life is reasonably short, being usually less than 100 years.

The point is the hereafter. Let both the slave and master find the truth of God, so that they both can live in the hereafter in joy and glory with God forever... rather than in everlasting destruction... "where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."

If you don't consider that the resurrection is possible, realize that there is no way that this life is possible, either. Not by anything we yet understand. Except that it is here. Even so, the impossible resurrection is a certainty as well.

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Quote from: mprep on March 31, 2016, 02:45:38 PM

tl;dr

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Quote from: Moloch on March 31, 2016, 01:02:45 PM

Quote from: mprep on March 31, 2016, 12:34:46 PM

...Scientific journals (meant for getting the full picture of a scientific or historical discovery, with it's nuances and possible errors) are from "3,000 to 10,000 words in length"...

And with all this trolling, you still refuse to pick a topic for debate...

As for scientific journals... I have no problem with a 10,000 word paper, so long as it sticks to a single topic... which they do... it often takes a lot of words to debate a single topic...

The problem is you jump all over the place, accusing me of this or that... if I don't respond to everything, you accuse me of cherry-picking... but, I cannot possibly fully refute a 3-page post, providing supporting evidence for every claim, without making my own 100-page-long post!

This is the situation I am avoiding... if you want to debate a single topic at a time, PICK A FUCKING TOPIC TO DEBATE WITH ME!

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If you want me to pick, how about slavery in the bible?

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Quote from: Moloch on March 29, 2016, 11:25:43 AM

Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...

[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed

You say I did not provide evidence for this claim, but I did... I said christianity had preached it... the bible supports slavery in at least a dozen places... do you need me to quote the exact verses for you, or are you capable of using google?

Here's the link again since you must have missed it (evidence you claim I didn't provide)

Quote from: Moloch on March 26, 2016, 12:44:59 PM

Slavery:

Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46

As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Quote from: Exodus 21:20-21

When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his property.

More slavery in the bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

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Quote from: Moloch on March 29, 2016, 11:25:43 AM

Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...

[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed

Quote from: Moloch on March 26, 2016, 12:44:59 PM

Slavery:

Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46

Quote from: Exodus 21:20-21

More slavery in the bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

See this for my answer to your "evidence":

Quote from: mprep on March 27, 2016, 05:27:13 PM

Leviticus, Exodus and Deuteronomy are all part of the Old Testament (also often referred to as the Hebrew Bible), which is overwritten by the New Testament in many branches (and/or sects) of Christianity. The Old Testament was meant as a holy book for the time (not for eternity) and became obsolete in many situations. Also, in terms of cherry-picking, that's why different branches and sects of both Christianity and other religions exist - there's constant debate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology) on what is accepted and what is not, especially as time progresses and our culture changes.

Sources (in terms of what I based the arguments upon):
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15/do-we-have-to-obey-the-laws-of-the-bible-if-so-what-laws/506#506
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/3733/does-the-new-testament-override-the-old-testament
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What you haven't proven is this (I'll bold and underline your statement I'm concerned with):

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Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament

Since, I'm rather bored to wait, I'll get the Wikipedia mention on the New Testament out of the way. It is said in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery:

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In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters, "as to the Lord, and not to men". However, masters were told to serve their slaves "in the same way" and "even better" as "brothers", to not threaten them as God is their Master as well.

First of all, I've looked at the passages that refer to this:

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In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters, "as to the Lord, and not to men"

And all the passages linked, the translation in several English versions seems to use the word "servant" rather than "slave", which could be both interpreted as lost in translation (beneficial to your side) and as to cover (regulate, not approve of ) slavery back in the day of Christ (which was a common practice at the time) as well as the current voluntary employment. There is however no positive (a.k.a. reinforcing) mention of the act of enslavement. From what I can logically deduct, said writings were meant to address the status quo, rather than encourage the act of slavery (taking new slaves). This view is also reinforced taking in consideration the following part of the quote:

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However, masters were told to serve their slaves "in the same way" and "even better" as "brothers", to not threaten them as God is their Master as well.

Then again you decided to pick a target that is easy for you to "tear up", while in reality it is up for speculation and thus open to quite a lot of theological discussion (of which I now participated in). Guess the historical reasoning (in regards to your claim about Christianity being the sole cause of the Dark ages (my counterclaim: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14354149)) or actually providing proof to your other unsubstantiated claims (that I pointed out, twice: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14365514 and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14378127) is a bit too difficult. Still better something than the "tl;dr" bullshit you've been putting out.

P.S. I'll quote a saying (that will address your concern regarding "too many topics" (actually counter arguments of the arguments you made yourself) and "too long posts" (actually required to refute all the unsubstantiated claims you've made)) attributed to Harry S. Truman: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

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Quote from: Moloch on March 31, 2016, 02:13:58 PM

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Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good...

Only a christian could convince himself that slavery is good...

Slavery is immoral, every time... EVERY time... there is no situation where slavery is good. Period. End of moral lesson.

Only a deceptive person who doesn't have an answer would take someone's writings out of context and turn them into something that he did not say. Because of this, it turns out that you are more immoral than slavery might be.

As I said above - though not entirely directly - government has made slaves of us all through taxation.

What? I am "more immoral than slavery" because I quote from the bible?

No. Because you use deception, as I said, and as you are trying to deceive people away from right in your post I am quoting.

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Does that make sense to anyone who isn't christian?

Your deception attempts don't make sense to anyone who is really interested. Why not? Because he/she can go back and check the record to see how deceptive you are.

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Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good...

Only a christian could convince himself that slavery is good...

Slavery is immoral, every time... EVERY time... there is no situation where slavery is good. Period. End of moral lesson.

What? I am "more immoral than slavery" because I quote from the bible?

Does that make sense to anyone who isn't christian?

You are now accusing me of taking it out of context and that the bible doesn't condone slavery?!?

Prove it! Find me a single quote from the bible which condemns slavery instead of condoning it!

The bible condones slavery in over a dozen places, and condemns slavery in exactly zero places!

Never does the bible say owning slaves is bad or immoral... not once!

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Quote from: Moloch on March 31, 2016, 02:08:16 PM

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Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good...

Only a christian could convince himself that slavery is good...

Slavery is immoral, every time... EVERY time... there is no situation where slavery is good. Period. End of moral lesson.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 31, 2016, 02:05:30 PM

Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good...

Only a christian could convince himself that slavery is good...

Slavery is immoral, every time... EVERY time... there is no situation where slavery is good. Period. Full-Stop. End of moral lesson

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Quote from: Moloch on March 31, 2016, 01:51:12 PM

Quote from: BADecker on March 31, 2016, 01:38:14 PM

Slaves come from approximately two places:
1. Free people enslaving themselves to others for economic reasons;
2. People conquering other people and making slaves of them.

God forbids the stealing of people, in the Bible.

God regulates how slavery must work. Why? Because the stubbornness of mankind will always make slaves. God had a choice. Either destroy mankind, or regulate the slavery to a "dull roar." God didn't and doesn't want to destroy mankind. So he works with man's slavery-making-mode to make it better for both the slaves and their masters.

If God were truly a moral god... he would have said something like, "Slavery is bad, mkay? If you could stop owning another human as property, that would be swell"

But, that's not what God said in the bible... God said slavery is good and moral... Every good Jew/christian should own a few slaves... God said it was kosher

It is also not a one-off... God condones slavery at least a dozen times in the bible (both OT & NT)

Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good for the destitute person. And it is very good when he finds a master who is good to him.

Slavery is outlawed in most of what is known as the free world. Such outlawing hasn't reduced slavery. All it has done is turned the slaves over to government. For example, if you follow the legal definition of "tax" through to its end, you will find that tax is fraud. Fraud takes things from the people who are defrauded. The income tax is a form of limited slavery.

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