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sr. member
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oh he did his work, embedded an obfuscated dll in gzip converted to a byte array, which then uses ReadProcessMemory and WriteProcessMemory from kernel32.dll.
I think it's pretty nice, wonder does claymore detect it some way.


The main point here everyone is missing (imho). Forget the fee thing for a moment.. Crypto WAS a bunch of "cypherpunk" hacking away on shit, to make strong, Privacy-centric technologies as a means for social change hacking things to work the way they REQUIRED them to work, their purpose was primarily more specific than just the average run of the mill hackers/script-kiddies from nowadays.

The essence of Crypto from my experience is; in a nutshell:
beating a system, whatever that system maybe. Being able to participate in a system which has for decades battered the common folk,
a system which is oppressive and served the select few at the top, coupled with innovation in trustless, distributed peer-to-peer systems in order to
communicate in a secure manner 'and/or' relay & process financial assets transactions. And not forgetting, of course, a whole raft of other aspects & considerations..
but in a nutshell.. revolutionize a financial system which works for the many not just for the few.


This very issue was raised over in a popular discord channel only the other week RE: claymore's fee's AND as you could imagine the suggestion caused a bit of a shit storm; mostly against the idea of circumventing DevFee however it did spark debate (which was the important part).

IMHO The whole devfee thing is stupid shit! However dumb it maybe, it is on most people's (who mine Crypto specifically ETH\ETC\SC\DCR\PASL\LBRY) minds..
And most of all how to defeat\bypass said fee's.

Ultimately, this question boils-down to the main thrust of the issue, for miners & the crypto space in general is BEING the most PROFITABLE. Also two fold to be able to contribute to a 'cause!'
Miners appreciate the fact participating in mining crypto is / can be expensive, therefore any advantage gained (perceived or not) the majority will go for it.

its human nature to take path of least resistance.

Going back to my initial point regarding the WHOLE fee thing. I think it boils down to the structure AND the means by which Claymore has gone about generating HIS fees. Which is from a CAPTIVE audience. A caveat provided by claymore in his miners is that you CAN -devfee 0 and take a mining performance hit.

Yes, I do agree developers need to make a wage to survive.. I stress a wage.. NOT a fucking monopoly which reapes in hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not, millions of bucks FOR Claymores (reoccurring).

There are other issues which people fail to mention is 1-2% of something seems small but extrapolate that over a long period & multiply & compound that with thousands of miners which makes for a HUGE profit and possibility OTHER negative outcomes could occur from one person being able to charge miners who wish to participate.

There are Fees everywhere now, a Pool fee, a Fee to mine with a tool, A fee to send from Pool > Wallet ANOTHER FEE to sell into another coin ANOTHER fee to then pull back out. FEES GALORE  

What about the security implications of having such a widely used miner which is closed source and yet another flaw is discovered (RE: remote port vulnerability in Claymore v10.5 + below)

A single person(dev) should not have this much influance OR control IMHO. it's not healthy. So, I say fuck it if he profits from others work merged which his own work then why not allow others to profit off claymores back. If that means I get to keep some of my hard earned mining hash and some other guy gets to profit a little less from myself as a user of the tool in the process to.. I mean shit, Claymore has made some tidy bank now (and will continue to make).

Is it right to bypass claymore's fee and reroute to Eth_Savers wallet instead? (https://github.com/d3z00r/Claymore-11.0-No-DevFee-DevFee-Removed)
It's in the crypto DNA to hack shit, even the hackers get hacked Smiley..
IMO, I say fair game, let it roll!.


wow... pretty verbose spouting of BS for a 20-post newb lol.  So, since you are ok with this and other hackjob losers stealing rightfully earned fees from devs that have directly enabled miners to make thousands or millions without ANY upfront commitment... I suppose you would also be ok if another group of loser somehow hacked your paycheck and stole 10-15% of your earnings every month, right?  Because after all, while your pay as a bus-boy at Red Robin might not seem like a lot to some, it is comparatively a TON more than those unemployed scum of the earth hackers are making, so it is justifiable for them to steal from you since you are making more than them.

So, what do you say?  Is your paltry pay-check also fair game?  Let it roll baby!
sr. member
Activity: 600
Merit: 261
I like this program
WHY
everybody is STEELING fees from us
we mine and pay the bill and yes we make money
But this fee thing on pools, devs, wallets etc etc etc is worse then taxes

I am glad some people are looking into this

edit:
By the way i would buy it if it has no dev fee personally i think that would be the best option considdering you are taking fees now.

RIH you newbie scum!  Charging a usage fee for a "free" program to try is hardly "steeling".  For a true definition of stealing, see OP.  You ingrate newbs need to get a freaking life already. Hacking to steal someone else's rightfully earned fees is both illegal and immoral, and you will all RIH for your transgressions.
newbie
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redo:
according to https://github.com/Demion/nodevfee/issues/28#issuecomment-366338759
there is a wallet address found in libeth.dll =/

0x0b374e2f03dDe62aBdC7D28a9efa2081a93974aA
newbie
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Merit: 0


[...]
Is it right to bypass claymore's fee and reroute to Eth_Savers wallet instead? (https://github.com/d3z00r/Claymore-11.0-No-DevFee-DevFee-Removed)
It's in the crypto DNA to hack shit, even the hackers get hacked Smiley..
IMO, I say fair game, let it roll!.


Seems legit. If I comprehend that stuff he did correctly, he did the minimum of changing the orig code to exclude dev fee routine.
P.S: funny things you one see, when debugging through code /watch?v=hL0Vkz0etwg
jr. member
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oh he did his work, embedded an obfuscated dll in gzip converted to a byte array, which then uses ReadProcessMemory and WriteProcessMemory from kernel32.dll.
I think it's pretty nice, wonder does claymore detect it some way.


The main point here everyone is missing (imho). Forget the fee thing for a moment.. Crypto WAS a bunch of "cypherpunk" hacking away on shit, to make strong, Privacy-centric technologies as a means for social change hacking things to work the way they REQUIRED them to work, their purpose was primarily more specific than just the average run of the mill hackers/script-kiddies from nowadays.

The essence of Crypto from my experience is; in a nutshell:
beating a system, whatever that system maybe. Being able to participate in a system which has for decades battered the common folk,
a system which is oppressive and served the select few at the top, coupled with innovation in trustless, distributed peer-to-peer systems in order to
communicate in a secure manner 'and/or' relay & process financial assets transactions. And not forgetting, of course, a whole raft of other aspects & considerations..
but in a nutshell.. revolutionize a financial system which works for the many not just for the few.


This very issue was raised over in a popular discord channel only the other week RE: claymore's fee's AND as you could imagine the suggestion caused a bit of a shit storm; mostly against the idea of circumventing DevFee however it did spark debate (which was the important part).

IMHO The whole devfee thing is stupid shit! However dumb it maybe, it is on most people's (who mine Crypto specifically ETH\ETC\SC\DCR\PASL\LBRY) minds..
And most of all how to defeat\bypass said fee's.

Ultimately, this question boils-down to the main thrust of the issue, for miners & the crypto space in general is BEING the most PROFITABLE. Also two fold to be able to contribute to a 'cause!'
Miners appreciate the fact participating in mining crypto is / can be expensive, therefore any advantage gained (perceived or not) the majority will go for it.

its human nature to take path of least resistance.

Going back to my initial point regarding the WHOLE fee thing. I think it boils down to the structure AND the means by which Claymore has gone about generating HIS fees. Which is from a CAPTIVE audience. A caveat provided by claymore in his miners is that you CAN -devfee 0 and take a mining performance hit.

Yes, I do agree developers need to make a wage to survive.. I stress a wage.. NOT a fucking monopoly which reapes in hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not, millions of bucks FOR Claymores (reoccurring).

There are other issues which people fail to mention is 1-2% of something seems small but extrapolate that over a long period & multiply & compound that with thousands of miners which makes for a HUGE profit and possibility OTHER negative outcomes could occur from one person being able to charge miners who wish to participate.

There are Fees everywhere now, a Pool fee, a Fee to mine with a tool, A fee to send from Pool > Wallet ANOTHER FEE to sell into another coin ANOTHER fee to then pull back out. FEES GALORE  

What about the security implications of having such a widely used miner which is closed source and yet another flaw is discovered (RE: remote port vulnerability in Claymore v10.5 + below)

A single person(dev) should not have this much influance OR control IMHO. it's not healthy. So, I say fuck it if he profits from others work merged which his own work then why not allow others to profit off claymores back. If that means I get to keep some of my hard earned mining hash and some other guy gets to profit a little less from myself as a user of the tool in the process to.. I mean shit, Claymore has made some tidy bank now (and will continue to make).

Is it right to bypass claymore's fee and reroute to Eth_Savers wallet instead? (https://github.com/d3z00r/Claymore-11.0-No-DevFee-DevFee-Removed)
It's in the crypto DNA to hack shit, even the hackers get hacked Smiley..
IMO, I say fair game, let it roll!.
full member
Activity: 729
Merit: 114
every body 6*rx570 Previously just 161 Mh/s
Now 164 Mh/s  Grin Grin
How do you think?


magic.
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
I like this program
WHY
everybody is STEELING fees from us
we mine and pay the bill and yes we make money
But this fee thing on pools, devs, wallets etc etc etc is worse then taxes

I am glad some people are looking into this

edit:
By the way i would buy it if it has no dev fee personally i think that would be the best option considdering you are taking fees now.
newbie
Activity: 61
Merit: 0
I mean it's one thing to help others to get out of a fee which has it's ethical implications, but a whole other thing to skim part of the stolen dev fee on top for yourself.

In the next release, I will add the option for users to leave part of the fees to Claymore to reduce the fee as they like to.
newbie
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I mean it's one thing to help others to get out of a fee which has it's ethical implications, but a whole other thing to skim part of the stolen dev fee on top for yourself.
newbie
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**5. Why did you do this?**
I made it for my own use because I wanted to try if its possible or how hard it would be. It turned out to be doable so I did it and used it for few days myself and then I decided I would share it.
I have rewrote it to make it useable for all users and make their mining easier. I have added about 60% code to check for stupid things users may do and much better error handling to ensure your mining will be absolutely flawless.


I guess you know what is proprietary CopyRights Infringement? you want us to involve with your illegal ways. better take it to yourself

Copyright infringement is the use of works protected by copyright law without permission, infringing certain exclusive rights granted to the copyright holder, such as the right to reproduce, distribute, display or perform the protected work, or to make derivative works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement



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The "ethical" issue of this thing..
If you have problem with this and you think this modification is not ethical. I have to say if Claymore didn't make milions dollars monthly of your 1-2% fees I would have agreed but in this case NO I don't think this is problem.
I doubt he could even notice! Why? Well I left a debug feature for people just like you this feature shows Claymore's wallets and show them in your miner console. So you can check his wallets and see for yourself how many bitcoins he make daily.
He has many wallets on many pools here is just one of them there is maybe 30+ of these you can look them up yourself. https://etherscan.io/address/0xc1c427cd8e6b7ee3b5f30c2e1d3f3c5536ec16f5


That is the fruit of his innovative and support approach, I am not actually defending claymore as I know him or not, its juts that he deserves what he got for writing friendly user miner.

why don't you wrote your own miner? there are open source ready for modifications out there.






rofl doubt claymore has it copyrighted or ANYTHING even close

LOL...ROFL...I bet you're not using Claymores miner aren't you? or rather you're not reading License.txt included

Copied From Claymore's License.txt

Claymore's Dual Miner License Agreement
==========

Copyright (c) 2016-2017 Claymore

1. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, you are granted a revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited and worldwide license to use this software for the internal use only.

2. You may not sell, transfer, rent, assign, lease, loan, sublicense, lend, resell, redistribute or otherwise share this software.
Further, you shall not modify, make derivative works based upon, recreate, generate, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, reverse assemble,
reverse compile or otherwise attempt to derive the human-readable form of the source code of any parts of this software.

3. You may not cancel, reduce, change, remove, block, or redirect built-in developer fee in any way (except using "-nofee" option).

4. THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY,
WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.


As official as this may look, a text file with some legal seeming "agreement" means nothing.  He hasn't patented/copyrighted it, and he hasn't even released his software under ANY type of legally-recognized software license type.  It's totally fair game.  With the $120,000+ he's making a month from his 1-2% fees, Claymore could have EASILY have hired a patent lawyer to protect this.
newbie
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Hey Eth_Saver, thanks! This program is beautiful.

I have one question -- so you say that the longer you mine, the less dev-fee sessions will be given to you.  But how does the program keep track of how long you have been mining?  Like, let's say I've been mining for 4 days, and I restart my computer or the miner, will my timer be reset back to 0?  Or will the program/you know that I have been mining for 4 days?

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Just curious, because I've never used it - why would you use claymore's miner to just mine to NH?  Isn't the benefit of NH that their miner changes algorithms to whatever is most profitable, or am I missing something?


People use Claymore and other miners to keep the type of coins they are mining.  Nice hash just mines whatever coin is in demand and pays you in BTC instead of the coin you are mining. 
newbie
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every body 6*rx570 Previously just 161 Mh/s
Now 164 Mh/s  Grin Grin
How do you think?
newbie
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Just curious, because I've never used it - why would you use claymore's miner to just mine to NH?  Isn't the benefit of NH that their miner changes algorithms to whatever is most profitable, or am I missing something?
newbie
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I just saw that claymore released new version few days ago so next version will be for 10.1. I spent some time with it today and I have managed to manually patch everything it seems.. no crashes so far  Roll Eyes Now I need to rewrite the program because it was too simple before it will need to handle more things now. Nicehash mining will be possible in next version! http://prntscr.com/h44opy
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Thanks for replying. Will check again.
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any idea why when i run it, it says starting miner but nothing more and the cpu utilitzation goes thru the roof and windows freezes.

we needing a framework of a certain version?

its all configured up.  any ideas?
win 10 pro, 1703, basic. 

but i can run default original start_ bat files (with address modified of course) and its hashing properly.



what is making ur cpu spike in task manager? I'm only at 3-7% cpu with msi afterburner

I have to do  a hard reset since everything freezes,

i will have to start task man before trying again, anyone else say this works>?

does this program need a certain framework or vc redistrib?



It was made for .Net Framework 4.7 but this seems like the program can't find right adresses and it get stuck in loop where it keeps looking..

For those who can't use their long StartupArguments it is limited to only 256 characters in this version. Config will be changed completely I hope I can work on it this sunday I didn't have time at all this week.
newbie
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OP are you still here??
tc_
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any idea why when i run it, it says starting miner but nothing more and the cpu utilitzation goes thru the roof and windows freezes.

we needing a framework of a certain version?

its all configured up.  any ideas?
win 10 pro, 1703, basic. 

but i can run default original start_ bat files (with address modified of course) and its hashing properly.



what is making ur cpu spike in task manager? I'm only at 3-7% cpu with msi afterburner

I have to do  a hard reset since everything freezes,

i will have to start task man before trying again, anyone else say this works>?

does this program need a certain framework or vc redistrib?

newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 0
my config is not in bat file , but in config.txt
and program wont start
what i have to do?
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