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Topic: [CLOSED] KnC Titan Nightmare - page 6. (Read 31727 times)

member
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December 09, 2014, 02:40:21 AM
No updates, even by PM since a long ago.
En plein: Neptune + Titan...epic failure...
What I don't understand is the Neptune situation: last news I got from the GB were dated late August, early September and stated that the machines were returned back because when the delivery was attempted akw was on holiday. And then what happened? No news at all...

Starting to suspect that anykeywhy is running away with all the money.

Personally, as we haven't strong evidences of what you've written, i think that it's too early to even mention it. AKW was clear with the timing of a legal action (extremely long), and he should proof without problems the start of this legal action to any trusted member involved in the GB.

Yes, I agree with you about the Titan part and the legal course he started.
What sounds "strange" to me is the silence about the Neptune GB with latest news dated September more or less (machines undeliverable because he was on holiday...and then? What happened?)
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December 06, 2014, 10:19:25 AM
No updates, even by PM since a long ago.
En plein: Neptune + Titan...epic failure...
What I don't understand is the Neptune situation: last news I got from the GB were dated late August, early September and stated that the machines were returned back because when the delivery was attempted akw was on holiday. And then what happened? No news at all...

Starting to suspect that anykeywhy is running away with all the money.

Personally, as we haven't strong evidences of what you've written, i think that it's too early to even mention it. AKW was clear with the timing of a legal action (extremely long), and he should proof without problems the start of this legal action to any trusted member involved in the GB.
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Captain
December 06, 2014, 07:00:01 AM
No updates, even by PM since a long ago.
En plein: Neptune + Titan...epic failure...
What I don't understand is the Neptune situation: last news I got from the GB were dated late August, early September and stated that the machines were returned back because when the delivery was attempted akw was on holiday. And then what happened? No news at all...

Starting to suspect that anykeywhy is running away with all the money.
member
Activity: 83
Merit: 10
December 05, 2014, 06:56:27 PM
No updates, even by PM since a long ago.
En plein: Neptune + Titan...epic failure...
What I don't understand is the Neptune situation: last news I got from the GB were dated late August, early September and stated that the machines were returned back because when the delivery was attempted akw was on holiday. And then what happened? No news at all...
member
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December 02, 2014, 03:57:47 AM
Update please.
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newbie
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November 20, 2014, 11:40:13 AM
Any updates?
full member
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Merit: 100
November 07, 2014, 09:57:37 PM
Thanks for your effort akw!
sr. member
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Merit: 250
November 05, 2014, 08:52:40 AM
Good to see matters are being pushed down a legal route, Thanks for the update and your time
newbie
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Merit: 0
November 03, 2014, 05:52:09 AM
Thank you for starting this legal action and to take care of our interests.

Hope to hear good news soon.
hero member
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November 02, 2014, 06:00:30 PM
thanks for the long update and for doing this on behalf of us !
member
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October 31, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Great work akw. We will get the bastards eventually
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October 31, 2014, 09:53:45 AM
I really appreciate the starting of the legal action, hope all the best for our shares, and i also apologize that i can't be more helpful with the legal action since i know it will be a very stressful thing to manage for you.
sr. member
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October 31, 2014, 09:32:04 AM

Confirmed. The new legal action was started, we hired another Law Firm and we have now to hope and cross our fingers for this bad story to resolve in a positive and maybe quick way at the end...

Even without sufficient feedback from you, we decided to take the risks involved and we paid, we'll pay and we are paying these actions against KfC until it will be possible... No moneys were contributed by shareholders of any GB, we'll recover the spent amounts on the positive ending of this story, WE HOPE!
Really a looooot of money are flowing out *thankfully* to KfC.....

Nobody can tell us a precise timing for these "actions" to complete, you should be aware that, it would need months or years to see an ending or a definitive court decision about our cases and it could also turn bad and resolve in nothing if not in a major loss for us... it's useless to create false illusions, we can't be sure of nothing at this point if not that our cases "should" be "well founded" from a legal point-of-view...

Anyway, that's the best strategy/way for trying to contain our losses and mitigate the damages occurred/occurring if not to finally have our consumer's rights protected against the KfC behavior...


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On a further consideration, please note that we are literally "putting our faces" and taking in first person all the responsibilities and consequences that would/could derive from these legal actions... also on your behalf!
It's really delusional to see only a few of you joining and collaborating on this discussion, or simply sharing their's ideas or support...
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We'll remain at disposal and we'll update you as more concrete news will be available, the PM way to trigger our attention or ask for something is always a good way to use if you don't see us active for a while... (but please do not expect high-frequency updates, unforutnately, "these things" require "some time")


We are sorry that everything went the wrong way since KfC decided to turn to the "dark-side" at our loss, please don't blame us for what is happening but let's go instead to "make some noise on Teh Internet" by saying what REALLY KfC is and how they "act" in respect of their's "loyal customers" who bring to them the resources for becoming "what they seems to be from the outside, now"...

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It's shocking how they can publicly attract millions of dollars in VC investments while, at the same time, they're litterally screwing up pretty all the people and businesses who concretely supported them by giving them "a lot of advantages" by pre-paying their products... It seems that KnC is taking profits and advantages from abusing also of the fragmentation, the dispersion and the "composition" of the really small and weak "crypto-ecosystem" where a lot of personal (eg. age), regional (eg. laws) or regulatory (eg. taxes) issues adds up and too often happen on the customer side, making hard or impossible for them to protect and defend their "rights" in such complex "international" situations...
On the more, people have to forcefully take as "holy law" the statements from KfC (because they wrote "Product not Refundable" on their website) and totally give up on their conditions while hoping to save at least 1/30 of what they spent...
[...]


KfC *seems* to be a platinum member of BTCfoundation even if there isn't any proof of payment as of today... please, read carefully all the following thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9374929


That's a really awful and stressing situation as you can easily imagine, this time we'll avoid to enumerate all the implications, if you have any thought that may help, please share it!


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On a more colorful side-note, "someone" of you is legally and personally threating us as we should be responsible of KfC faults and their delays depend from us... *BIG-LAUGH* ...what to say, that's obviously "not good for the mood"... ...unfortunately, not everybody is able to use his "so-called" brain, why we should expect they to be able to use google or to get real a life?? However, people invent everyday a new and artistic way to try to profit from others with zero efforts... it's not surprising at all that "someone" have not any truly alternative way to look for a positive income in its life than to LIE..................
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thanks @elviselvis for linking this http://www.kncrefund.com/ here! Real informations are slowly reaching the surface and emerging as they really are... we'd need a way lot more NOISE to be done on this!

thanks @alexrossi for your support in the italian section, much appreciated!

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We're glad to see that "the tone" of the PMs is becoming more polite as the REAL news about KfC are starting to spread... thank you!

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Sorry for the late and "sparse" updates and, as usual, for the bad English...   Smiley

Stay positive, have a good time & Cheers!   Smiley
-akw-

sr. member
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October 27, 2014, 09:14:11 PM
I'm not denying the VAT payments but how come I haven't seen anyone else mention it when they talk of their titans?
 
Also I see they are now stating they will all be shipped in the next 3 weeks - http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/news-and-anouncments/65213-buckle-up-titan-speed-bump
hero member
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October 26, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
just fund this site:

http://www.kncrefund.com/
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October 20, 2014, 06:15:23 PM
sr. member
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October 18, 2014, 08:14:02 AM

"updates" so far:

- no replies received

- orders still showing as "Paid" and not "Processing"

- not so much of you joined this discussion

- on Monday we'll try to send an email again and we hope to finally get some consistent informations about these "fresh" legal actions

- You're welcome to share your opinion/ideas here and to try to involve other shareholders to do the same and join this discussion, we're all on the same boat...


Cheers!
-akw-
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legendary
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October 11, 2014, 09:25:03 AM
BUT, at the same time, we'll be charged by new risks and new costs... what if the legal-way doesn't succeed or become only a waste of time?

Why should be a waste of time? The right to cancel a purchase is pretty clear and well explained here:

http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Right-to-cancel-a-purchase-Right-of-withdrawal/

especially:

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The right of withdrawal applies from the day you receive the goods, in the case of services, the day the contract is entered into. If the seller has not informed you of the right of withdrawal, you have one year's right of withdrawal.

You are allowed to inspect the goods, and the right of withdrawal also applies if you have had to alter the goods in order to inspect them. If you have altered the goods more than was necessary, the company has a right to make a deduction when you cancel the purchase as a result of the reduction in value.

You have to send the goods back to the seller and you have to pay the return delivery costs. The seller will then refund the full amount you have paid, including delivery costs that you paid when the goods were sent to you. The refund must be made as soon as possible and within 14 days from the day you cancelled.

sr. member
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October 11, 2014, 07:27:19 AM

Thanks for the update, so lets work together to resolve this: first could this, Swedish attorney Magnus Daar, be an option for us;

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/knc-titans-missed-quarter-3-deadline-refunds/
if we (you) follow the guideline ?

(I still do not understand the tax part: no vat when trading between eu companies, I never pay import tax when buying hardware from Germany, I am in Denmark.


Nice catch! Thanks for the informations!

We'll contact this lawyer in the coming days, in your opinion, how much should we offer as "bounty" if he can accept our case? Something like the 10%-20% it would be good for you? Any other suggestion? Are we sure to go that way (better to vote for a majority?)?  (please continue reading)

about the "tax part": at the moment of purchasing a good (EU-EU), if you pay the VAT at the moment of buying (eg. included in price), then no other "taxes" are due. Elsewhere, if you haven't paid the VAT at the moment of buying a good, it goes "suspended" and it is due later when the good is shipped/transported/received... because it wasn't included before as a component of the final price during the sale (the VAT "isn't an asset" under control of the seller nor of the buyer)


If we'll be able to go for the legal way, we wouldn't need anymore the PSUs and we'll have to be ready to ship back the Titans once we'll receive them...

BUT, at the same time, we'll be charged by new risks and new costs... what if the legal-way doesn't succeed or become only a waste of time? The lawyer should be paid anyway, the time lost will not come back, and the residual-value of the "investment" would become a great question mark in case the legal action for some reason wouldn't help us... Unfortunately, we have to consider the bad scenario too...
Another point is that "the public faces" and the legal responsibilities for such actions will not be "technically" yours but ours... as eventually, the consequences would impact directly on us and not you...

Are we sure that wouldn't be more convenient for us to wait to receive the miners and to try to sell them in some way, in order to recover as much as we can but without adding other variable costs, risks and time? We would also avoid big-volume and unjustified bank transfers and fiat amounts that would happen in case of "legal success"... that more likely would also trig unwanted red-flags, verifications and additional taxes for us...?


We think that we should consider and ponder well the costs/risks/timings involved in both "ways", the legal one and the selling one... please, share your opinions here!


Thanks and Cheers!
-akw-

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