[CLOSED-refunds process]Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries - page 3.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on August 19, 2013, 07:09:24 PM

Quote from: paul3 on August 19, 2013, 02:04:18 PM

Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing

Info about the data in the spreadsheet:

Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5.

In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips.

Group Buy Date didn't match payment date
1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on:

Code:

2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days

I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins.

2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table.

What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches?

Its correct, 4 of our batch payments went to the collecting address but one payment is still lying at the address i had to pay to at bitinstant, so its a bitinstant controlled address. I wonder why Yifu lets lying around so much bitcoins at a website since everybody knows how often it happens that a website goes scammy or dies or whatever. I dont feel very good when i know my bitcoins out at another website.

Only great master of Y(oda)ifu can answer that one, I guess.

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Quote from: rocks on August 19, 2013, 04:51:13 PM

Quote from: tiros on August 19, 2013, 02:36:31 PM

To clarify, being late can't be seen as a scam .... it's common knowledge.

But this is not being late, that is the issue.

What is common knowledge is taking product that was paid for, manufactured for and allocated to a specific set of customers, and reselling that product to another 2nd customer for a higher price, is illegal and fraudulent.

In this situation the group buy payments (millions of dollars) were used to secure manufacture of product from TSMC, Yifu then turned around and resold that paid for product to a higher bidder. That is plainly illegal.

Even if Yifu then takes this higher bidder funds to purchase another round of TSMC chips and deliver those, it is still illegal. Doubly so since the time value of the product has been destroyed. Yifu promised a time schedule and purposefully broke that to profit himself with zero compensation to customers.

So the statement that it's common knowledge that being late is OK, is both wrong and absurd in this case.

Can you prove your saying about selling to higher bidder? People and companies are being late all the time.

Quote from: acidu on August 20, 2013, 04:50:47 AM

thank you for your effort to bring up all that we need in one place

thx again

no problem

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thank you for your effort to bring up all that we need in one place

thx again

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Quote from: paul3 on August 19, 2013, 02:04:18 PM

Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing

Info about the data in the spreadsheet:

Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5.

In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips.

Group Buy Date didn't match payment date
1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on:

Code:

2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days

I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins.

2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table.

What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches?

Its correct, 4 of our batch payments went to the collecting address but one payment is still lying at the address i had to pay to at bitinstant, so its a bitinstant controlled address. I wonder why Yifu lets lying around so much bitcoins at a website since everybody knows how often it happens that a website goes scammy or dies or whatever. I dont feel very good when i know my bitcoins out at another website.

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Quote from: trigeek on August 18, 2013, 06:37:32 PM

Quote from: tiros on August 18, 2013, 04:25:41 PM

Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw?

STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135. The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc. It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was.

What were these other items?

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Quote from: tiros on August 19, 2013, 02:36:31 PM

To clarify, being late can't be seen as a scam .... it's common knowledge.

But this is not being late, that is the issue.

What is common knowledge is taking product that was paid for, manufactured for and allocated to a specific set of customers, and reselling that product to another 2nd customer for a higher price, is illegal and fraudulent.

In this situation the group buy payments (millions of dollars) were used to secure manufacture of product from TSMC, Yifu then turned around and resold that paid for product to a higher bidder. That is plainly illegal.

Even if Yifu then takes this higher bidder funds to purchase another round of TSMC chips and deliver those, it is still illegal. Doubly so since the time value of the product has been destroyed. Yifu promised a time schedule and purposefully broke that to profit himself with zero compensation to customers.

So the statement that it's common knowledge that being late is OK, is both wrong and absurd in this case.

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Ok, now something completely off topic.

Eight Signs to Help You Detect Whether Someone is Lying to You!
http://socyberty.com/psychology/eight-signs-to-help-you-detect-whether-someone-is-lying-to-you/

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Quote from: rocks on August 19, 2013, 02:24:24 PM

I think the main group buy organizers should band together and contact the FBI regarding this $10M scam. At this point it is clear that Yifu sold chips to the highest bidder destroying any future ROI for customers on chips he may or may not deliver. This is a larger scam than pirate and the government developed a case and took him down.

Engaging the government on illegal actions such as this only helps strengthen and legitimize Bitcoin.

Most people I know are into Bitcoin because it is a currency that the bankers can not debase and reward just themselves. That is a legitimate goal. We don't want to see Bitcoin turn into a den of thieves that only transfers abuse from bankers to guys like Yifu and pirate.

Maybe we also send ....

...... ?

To clarify, being late can't be seen as a scam .... it's common knowledge.

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Quote from: paul3 on August 19, 2013, 02:31:46 PM

Quote from: tiros on August 19, 2013, 02:28:05 PM

I don't know can we/you manage to link all the orders with payments since there was no obligation for group buyers to buy from wallet address they used to collect funds, and some also used escrow?
SebastianJu' batch #2 was paid, and order status was changed to "chips ordered" as per Sebastian's OP, but I will let him know about this so we can "hear" what he "says" about it.
I have to clarify that I have full confident in Sebastian and I appreciate all the effort he did to justify his role as group buy leader, so if anything wrong happened I would see it as mistake and nothing more.

Oh, I think you understand me wrong, there is the payment for batch #2 -> https://blockchain.info/de/address/1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp - it just doesn't show up on the "big" avalon payment address. There is a big gap on this addresse between 2013-05-11 14:57:58 and 2013-05-22 02:17:07. Seems there are actually more orders than the 97 batches on 1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU.

my bad then

, anyways I sent PM to Sebastian so he will probably reply later.

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Quote from: tiros on August 19, 2013, 02:28:05 PM

I don't know can we/you manage to link all the orders with payments since there was no obligation for group buyers to buy from wallet address they used to collect funds, and some also used escrow?
SebastianJu' batch #2 was paid, and order status was changed to "chips ordered" as per Sebastian's OP, but I will let him know about this so we can "hear" what he "says" about it.
I have to clarify that I have full confident in Sebastian and I appreciate all the effort he did to justify his role as group buy leader, so if anything wrong happened I would see it as mistake and nothing more.

Oh, I think you understand me wrong, there is the payment for batch #2 -> https://blockchain.info/de/address/1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp - it just doesn't show up on the "big" avalon payment address. There is a big gap on this addresse between 2013-05-11 14:57:58 and 2013-05-22 02:17:07. Seems there are actually more orders than the 97 batches on 1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU.

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Quote from: paul3 on August 19, 2013, 02:04:18 PM

Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing

Info about the data in the spreadsheet:

Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5.

In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips.

Group Buy Date didn't match payment date
1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on:

Code:

2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days

I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins.

2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table.

What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches?

I don't know can we/you manage to link all the orders with payments since there was no obligation for group buyers to buy from wallet address they used to collect funds, and some also used escrow?
SebastianJu' batch #2 was paid, and order status was changed to "chips ordered" as per Sebastian's OP, but I will let him know about this so we can "hear" what he "says" about it.
I have to clarify that I have full confident in Sebastian and I appreciate all the effort he did to justify his role as group buy leader, so if anything wrong happened I would see it as mistake and nothing more.

rocks

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I think the main group buy organizers should band together and contact the FBI regarding this $10M scam. At this point it is clear that Yifu sold chips to the highest bidder destroying any future ROI for customers on chips he may or may not deliver. This is a larger scam than pirate and the government developed a case and took him down.

Engaging the government on illegal actions such as this only helps strengthen and legitimize Bitcoin.

Most people I know are into Bitcoin because it is a currency that the bankers can not debase and reward just themselves. That is a legitimate goal. We don't want to see Bitcoin turn into a den of thieves that only transfers abuse from bankers to guys like Yifu and pirate.

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Quote from: Xialla on August 19, 2013, 10:49:05 AM

you should also add this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedavalon-chips-0081-btc-globalescrow-batch2-secured-189582

Thanks, it's added.

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Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing

Info about the data in the spreadsheet:

Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5.

In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips.

Group Buy Date didn't match payment date
1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on:

Code:

2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days

I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins.

2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table.

What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches?

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you should also add this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedavalon-chips-0081-btc-globalescrow-batch2-secured-189582

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Quote from: Newscastix on August 19, 2013, 10:15:17 AM

Great topic.. finally one place to check the status all the group buys..

Lets see if some chips show up "soon"...

Thanks, it is good to see people find it useful.

Quote from: eroxors on August 19, 2013, 10:42:15 AM

Very helpful. Will you be updating it daily?

I plan to.

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Very helpful. Will you be updating it daily?

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Great topic.. finally one place to check the status all the group buys..

Lets see if some chips show up "soon"...

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Quote from: ampu on August 18, 2013, 04:44:11 PM

From bizwoo GB
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-avalon-chips-0082btc-k16-miner-assembly-60eur-200067

Batch 1
Order #10605 made on June 8, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @20/06/2013
Batch 2
Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @08/07/2013

Thanks, added.

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 18, 2013, 06:01:35 PM

Great info! keep it up Roll Eyes

Thank you, I appreciate your comment

Quote from: ionstorm on August 18, 2013, 06:10:03 PM

Well there is at least 60,000 chips ahead of steamboats group buy #1. Hopefully group buy #1 is included in the 130,000 chips shipped, but highly doubt it.

Probably not. Our orders are most likely tip of an iceberg.

Quote from: trigeek on August 18, 2013, 06:37:32 PM

Quote from: tiros on August 18, 2013, 04:25:41 PM

Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw?

STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135. The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc. It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was.

Many tend to disagree with you on this mater.
And I dare to think that if you employee logic you will disagree with yourself also.

Quote from: AdamKD on August 18, 2013, 09:52:41 PM

Quote from: trigeek on August 18, 2013, 06:37:32 PM

Quote from: tiros on August 18, 2013, 04:25:41 PM

Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw?

STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135. The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc. It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was.

Ummm ... it is 135. Unless 135 means 24 in which case the world is less sane than I thought it is:

http://www.track-shipments.com/track-trace.aspx?pref=AWB&awbno=87150508076

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Most surprisingly, there is evidence that there were actually 135 boxes in the shipment that arrived for these photographs. This would indicate 593 TH/s at the standard 282 MH/s clock speed, or a monstrous 842 TH/s overclocked to 400 MH/s per chip. Given the high estimate, that would add almost 500% to the network speed.

(http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/)

Quote from: Bogart on August 18, 2013, 10:48:28 PM

Marto74 Batch 1 ordered 17-June:

Quote from: John (John K.) on June 16, 2013, 11:01:45 PM

Order sent in (and fees, refunds etc sent): http://blockchain.info/tx/2fc131341eb95774aaa07d4e30b78e5488fb2d2f430dee14871455854fcec5e7

Order #10945 made on June 17, 2013.

Batch 2 ordered 06-July:

Quote from: marto74 on July 07, 2013, 07:15:06 PM

2-nd batch order

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Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: processing.

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