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instacalm

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Quote from: rockhill on July 06, 2014, 06:06:12 AM

i am P18, the other guys like “waltz” and “beida“ are P18 too, so you mean we are the same puppet master?
what is ridiculous! i come from South Africa, but the other guy seems to come from Japan!

Quote from: rockhill on July 06, 2014, 01:05:39 PM

In fact, they additionlly assumed that rockhill, ney,beida, and waltz are the same puppet. Obviously, the beida guy is a Janpanese or Chinese.

rockhill为什么骗我们呢？你就是中国人呀。。。

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/btc123.251724/#post-4669423 -- deleted on original BTT but archived on Bitcointa.lk.

Well, unfortunately rockhill is lying. He's Chinese himself which suggests he's beida indeed (not that I care much, just felt like posting this detail).

xtester

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Risk taker & Black Swan farmer.

This project seems to have the potential to make some decent progress on the development side but unfortunately right now it's a total mess on the organization and PR side.

fragout

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It really dosnt matter if someone knows your IP address. Its a public IP given to you from your ISP, which changes every now and then. Every website you visit knows your IP address

zachamo

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There can be only one!

Quote from: patmast3r on July 06, 2014, 01:58:39 PM

Did you guys at least anonymize the IPs before storing them somewhere ? Like hash them or alike ?
Anything else would have been messed up imho (and actually illegal without any sort of EULA / Privacy statement).

have Ip addresses been deemed personal information ?

Vega

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Quote from: patmast3r on July 06, 2014, 01:58:39 PM

Did you guys at least anonymize the IPs before storing them somewhere ? Like hash them or alike ?
Anything else would have been messed up imho (and actually illegal without any sort of EULA / Privacy statement).

Hence the reason they call it a secret method.

But I have to give it to them, it's effective.

patmast3r

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Did you guys at least anonymize the IPs before storing them somewhere ? Like hash them or alike ?
Anything else would have been messed up imho (and actually illegal without any sort of EULA / Privacy statement).

Vega

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Quote from: fudbuster on July 06, 2014, 01:43:38 PM

How many people are disputing their sock puppet status? Not too many so for the ones who come forth with a dispute, im sure the devs can work something out (provided there is some proof as to the validity of the claim).

And I'd put money on it that he is lying his ass off.

fudbuster

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How many people are disputing their sock puppet status? Not too many so for the ones who come forth with a dispute, im sure the devs can work something out (provided there is some proof as to the validity of the claim).

Vega

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Quote from: zachamo on July 06, 2014, 01:22:37 PM

let's keep something in mind.. All members had to login to a central server to get their public key. they could have easily tracked ips, associated them to public key generation, and looked for single ips associated to multiple public keys on the member list.

having watched the nem sock puppet hunt, they may well have had the foresight to anticipate such a need.

Devs may be smarter than you think.

Yep, most likely. There is really no other way they can be this confident about some of the puppets.
Live and learn, next time puppet masters will remember to use VPN.

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There can be only one!

Quote from: rockhill on July 06, 2014, 01:24:32 PM

Quote from: koop4u on July 06, 2014, 01:12:20 PM

Quote from: rockhill on July 06, 2014, 01:05:39 PM

Quote from: mellorbo on July 06, 2014, 12:12:24 PM

Correct me if im wrong but surely this should have been done BEFORE removing puppets?
you know the age old saying, "innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers."

in the situation of hill and rockhill i hope the similarity's in the name are not your only so called proof as i see plenty of users on this forum with similar names so does that mean that they are puppets too?

In fact, they additionlly assumed that rockhill, ney,beida, and waltz are the same puppet. Obviously, the beida guy is a Janpanese or Chinese.

Quote from: beida on March 03, 2014, 02:56:57 AM

声明也没用！
还是把胖子抓来揍一顿吧！
黑心平台不靠谱！

Here are the information of thoes 5 accounts:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ney-180356
Name:   ney
Posts:   8
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   December 05, 2013, 05:53:18 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hill-166456
Name:   hill
Posts:   202
Activity:   208
Position:   Full Member
Date Registered:   November 22, 2013, 08:02:42 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waltz-170669
Name:   waltz
Posts:   21
Activity:   21
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   November 27, 2013, 02:52:06 AM
Last Active:   Today at 01:47:04 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rockhill-237907
Name:   rockhill
Posts:   15
Activity:   14
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   February 04, 2014, 01:11:02 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beida-250755
Name:   beida
Posts:   17
Activity:   17
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   February 15, 2014, 02:58:15 PM

MOST important, they invested NXTL with BTC and NXT respectively.

@Rockhill knock it off! If you claim that you have nothing to do with the other accounts, wait for the Node Puppet Removal Committee to assemble and to make a decision!

Stop trying to defend yourself, it only makes you more suspicious!

Then refund me! 100 NXT to NXT-TPA3-WN5X-DTKX-7U82K!

You've only spent 6 hours online over the past 5 months, yet you're damn quick to notice the puppet listing.. faster than me in getting into that Google doc and confirming your account. that implies that you're much more active than your account would indicate.. How curious..

rockhill

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Quote from: koop4u on July 06, 2014, 01:12:20 PM

Quote from: rockhill on July 06, 2014, 01:05:39 PM

Quote from: mellorbo on July 06, 2014, 12:12:24 PM

Correct me if im wrong but surely this should have been done BEFORE removing puppets?
you know the age old saying, "innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers."

in the situation of hill and rockhill i hope the similarity's in the name are not your only so called proof as i see plenty of users on this forum with similar names so does that mean that they are puppets too?

In fact, they additionlly assumed that rockhill, ney,beida, and waltz are the same puppet. Obviously, the beida guy is a Janpanese or Chinese.

Quote from: beida on March 03, 2014, 02:56:57 AM

声明也没用！
还是把胖子抓来揍一顿吧！
黑心平台不靠谱！

Here are the information of thoes 5 accounts:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ney-180356
Name:   ney
Posts:   8
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   December 05, 2013, 05:53:18 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hill-166456
Name:   hill
Posts:   202
Activity:   208
Position:   Full Member
Date Registered:   November 22, 2013, 08:02:42 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waltz-170669
Name:   waltz
Posts:   21
Activity:   21
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   November 27, 2013, 02:52:06 AM
Last Active:   Today at 01:47:04 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rockhill-237907
Name:   rockhill
Posts:   15
Activity:   14
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   February 04, 2014, 01:11:02 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beida-250755
Name:   beida
Posts:   17
Activity:   17
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   February 15, 2014, 02:58:15 PM

MOST important, they invested NXTL with BTC and NXT respectively.

@Rockhill knock it off! If you claim that you have nothing to do with the other accounts, wait for the Node Puppet Removal Committee to assemble and to make a decision!

Stop trying to defend yourself, it only makes you more suspicious!

Then refund me! 100 NXT to NXT-TPA3-WN5X-DTKX-7U82K!

zachamo

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There can be only one!

let's keep something in mind.. All members had to login to a central server to get their public key. they could have easily tracked ips, associated them to public key generation, and looked for single ips associated to multiple public keys on the member list.

having watched the nem sock puppet hunt, they may well have had the foresight to anticipate such a need.

Devs may be smarter than you think.

myhoho

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please, don't be oversuspicious on newbies

koop4u

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Quote from: rockhill on July 06, 2014, 01:05:39 PM

Quote from: mellorbo on July 06, 2014, 12:12:24 PM

Correct me if im wrong but surely this should have been done BEFORE removing puppets?
you know the age old saying, "innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers."

in the situation of hill and rockhill i hope the similarity's in the name are not your only so called proof as i see plenty of users on this forum with similar names so does that mean that they are puppets too?

In fact, they additionlly assumed that rockhill, ney,beida, and waltz are the same puppet. Obviously, the beida guy is a Janpanese or Chinese.

Quote from: beida on March 03, 2014, 02:56:57 AM

声明也没用！
还是把胖子抓来揍一顿吧！
黑心平台不靠谱！

Here are the information of thoes 5 accounts:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ney-180356
Name:   ney
Posts:   8
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   December 05, 2013, 05:53:18 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hill-166456
Name:   hill
Posts:   202
Activity:   208
Position:   Full Member
Date Registered:   November 22, 2013, 08:02:42 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waltz-170669
Name:   waltz
Posts:   21
Activity:   21
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   November 27, 2013, 02:52:06 AM
Last Active:   Today at 01:47:04 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rockhill-237907
Name:   rockhill
Posts:   15
Activity:   14
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   February 04, 2014, 01:11:02 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beida-250755
Name:   beida
Posts:   17
Activity:   17
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   February 15, 2014, 02:58:15 PM

MOST important, they invested NXTL with BTC and NXT respectively.

@Rockhill knock it off! If you claim that you have nothing to do with the other accounts, wait for the Node Puppet Removal Committee to assemble and to make a decision!

Stop trying to defend yourself, it only makes you more suspicious!

rockhill

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Merit: 0

Quote from: mellorbo on July 06, 2014, 12:12:24 PM

Correct me if im wrong but surely this should have been done BEFORE removing puppets?
you know the age old saying, "innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers."

in the situation of hill and rockhill i hope the similarity's in the name are not your only so called proof as i see plenty of users on this forum with similar names so does that mean that they are puppets too?

In fact, they additionlly assumed that rockhill, ney,beida, and waltz are the same puppet. Obviously, the beida guy is a Janpanese or Chinese.

Quote from: beida on March 03, 2014, 02:56:57 AM

声明也没用！
还是把胖子抓来揍一顿吧！
黑心平台不靠谱！

Here are the information of thoes 5 accounts:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ney-180356
Name:   ney
Posts:   8
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   December 05, 2013, 05:53:18 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hill-166456
Name:   hill
Posts:   202
Activity:   208
Position:   Full Member
Date Registered:   November 22, 2013, 08:02:42 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waltz-170669
Name:   waltz
Posts:   21
Activity:   21
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   November 27, 2013, 02:52:06 AM
Last Active:   Today at 01:47:04 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rockhill-237907
Name:   rockhill
Posts:   15
Activity:   14
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   February 04, 2014, 01:11:02 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beida-250755
Name:   beida
Posts:   17
Activity:   17
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   February 15, 2014, 02:58:15 PM

MOST important, they invested NXTL with BTC and NXT respectively.

mellorbo

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Quote from: DurbanPoison on July 06, 2014, 12:15:56 PM

Quote from: mellorbo on July 06, 2014, 12:12:24 PM

Quote from: koop4u on July 06, 2014, 09:10:34 AM

@ everyone!

We are in process of identifying Puppets and Puppet Masters!

Some of you were already identified and others soon will be!

We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)

The highlighted members are those that are considered puppets with 98% accuracy! If you by chance got into those 2%! Don't panic, and don't be offended! Our goal is to clear the coin of potential usurpers that will eventually drag the coin down, if not eliminated!

But there is also the thing with relatives/friends/family! This kinda situations will be handled by the committee! If for example you have one puppet, the committee will decide if you will be useful for the community, a if that extra stake will harm the coin! But if it was identified that you are associated with 3-5-7 puppets, the answer might be not to your favor. It will be totally up to the committee members!

So far asked dzarmush, hypersire, MsCollec!

If you guys have any other proposals who will be a good judge, or if someone is willing don't hesitate to post it in the thread!

How this will work out your asking:

The devs will act as the offenders
The Committee as judges
And you as the defensive side!

The process:

A thread for complains will be created: where you will be able to point out your complain!

1) The devs will provide proof to the committee, that the accused is guilty!
2) The member will have the right to defend himself, and to bring proof that he is not guilty!
3) The committee will decide trough open vote, if the accused is guilty!

Just like in a real trial!

If you ask why is the committee even necessary! Because they will review sensitive information provided by the dev team, which doesn't belong on the public!

Also there is another way to deal with the matter peacefully! Pm us and we will get by this situation without making a fuss!

We don't have a black list, and you will loose only the puppets, your main account will be kept! And we will have no grudges agains you!

Thank you! Will get back when the committee will be assembled!

Correct me if im wrong but surely this should have been done BEFORE removing puppets?
you know the age old saying, "innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers."

in the situation of hill and rockhill i hope the similarity's in the name are not your only so called proof as i see plenty of users on this forum with similar names so does that mean that they are puppets too?

or could it just be that certain people like to have an alias which may or may not resemble other peoples.

i agree that name similarity alone is not enough evidence to convict a sock. it is a red flag though which should warrant a further investigation

agreed i believe further investigation is warranted but its not the be all end all

rockhill

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Quote from: ?? on ??

@ koop4u, rockhill, beida, watlz and ney.

Hi, I am hill. Rockhill reminded me that koop4u judged us and other three guys as puppet accounts. I want to state that I am not "rockhill, not "beida", not "waltz",and not "ney"(I just defend for myself but not for others).

Thanks for hill's clarifications. Waiting beida, ney and waltz to clarify.

Quote from: yufu571 on July 06, 2014, 10:08:54 AM

As a bystander, the NODE team is short of profession and making a self-traping!
Anyway, you should respect your investors, otherwise no one trust you!

+10000

DurbanPoison

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Quote from: mellorbo on July 06, 2014, 12:12:24 PM

Quote from: koop4u on July 06, 2014, 09:10:34 AM

@ everyone!

We are in process of identifying Puppets and Puppet Masters!

Some of you were already identified and others soon will be!

We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)

The highlighted members are those that are considered puppets with 98% accuracy! If you by chance got into those 2%! Don't panic, and don't be offended! Our goal is to clear the coin of potential usurpers that will eventually drag the coin down, if not eliminated!

But there is also the thing with relatives/friends/family! This kinda situations will be handled by the committee! If for example you have one puppet, the committee will decide if you will be useful for the community, a if that extra stake will harm the coin! But if it was identified that you are associated with 3-5-7 puppets, the answer might be not to your favor. It will be totally up to the committee members!

So far asked dzarmush, hypersire, MsCollec!

If you guys have any other proposals who will be a good judge, or if someone is willing don't hesitate to post it in the thread!

How this will work out your asking:

The devs will act as the offenders
The Committee as judges
And you as the defensive side!

The process:

A thread for complains will be created: where you will be able to point out your complain!

1) The devs will provide proof to the committee, that the accused is guilty!
2) The member will have the right to defend himself, and to bring proof that he is not guilty!
3) The committee will decide trough open vote, if the accused is guilty!

Just like in a real trial!

If you ask why is the committee even necessary! Because they will review sensitive information provided by the dev team, which doesn't belong on the public!

Also there is another way to deal with the matter peacefully! Pm us and we will get by this situation without making a fuss!

We don't have a black list, and you will loose only the puppets, your main account will be kept! And we will have no grudges agains you!

Thank you! Will get back when the committee will be assembled!

Correct me if im wrong but surely this should have been done BEFORE removing puppets?
you know the age old saying, "innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers."

in the situation of hill and rockhill i hope the similarity's in the name are not your only so called proof as i see plenty of users on this forum with similar names so does that mean that they are puppets too?

or could it just be that certain people like to have an alias which may or may not resemble other peoples.

i agree that name similarity alone is not enough evidence to convict a sock. it is a red flag though which should warrant a further investigation

ARGpentem

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Quote from: Deviant1 on July 06, 2014, 12:06:13 PM

Quote from: a447513372 on July 06, 2014, 11:37:01 AM

Quote from: koop4u on July 06, 2014, 11:24:11 AM

Hey,

could someone explain to me, why #ARGpentem & #yufu571, flooding the thread with unrelated hostile posts??

I an't deleting them only to show the negative impact over our community!

i seems some socks are angry about losing their free money

so argue here , spam and spam . i also want to make contribution for this coin and become a menber

if translate this thread can help and be a menber , please reply me

+1000! That is all this is, socks angry they got found out! If a sock believes the Node team is in error, they can appeal and the evidence be weighed.

I support the Node team, this is going to be the next big crypto! Keep going with the development and don't let trolls and angry socks get you down

Did I invest in in Node ? you are dreaming. I am not the suckers who sent btc for some IPO coins. All I want to know is if the team can keep a promise.

mellorbo

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Quote from: koop4u on July 06, 2014, 09:10:34 AM

@ everyone!

We are in process of identifying Puppets and Puppet Masters!

Some of you were already identified and others soon will be!

We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)

The highlighted members are those that are considered puppets with 98% accuracy! If you by chance got into those 2%! Don't panic, and don't be offended! Our goal is to clear the coin of potential usurpers that will eventually drag the coin down, if not eliminated!

But there is also the thing with relatives/friends/family! This kinda situations will be handled by the committee! If for example you have one puppet, the committee will decide if you will be useful for the community, a if that extra stake will harm the coin! But if it was identified that you are associated with 3-5-7 puppets, the answer might be not to your favor. It will be totally up to the committee members!

So far asked dzarmush, hypersire, MsCollec!

If you guys have any other proposals who will be a good judge, or if someone is willing don't hesitate to post it in the thread!

How this will work out your asking:

The devs will act as the offenders
The Committee as judges
And you as the defensive side!

The process:

A thread for complains will be created: where you will be able to point out your complain!

1) The devs will provide proof to the committee, that the accused is guilty!
2) The member will have the right to defend himself, and to bring proof that he is not guilty!
3) The committee will decide trough open vote, if the accused is guilty!

Just like in a real trial!

If you ask why is the committee even necessary! Because they will review sensitive information provided by the dev team, which doesn't belong on the public!

Also there is another way to deal with the matter peacefully! Pm us and we will get by this situation without making a fuss!

We don't have a black list, and you will loose only the puppets, your main account will be kept! And we will have no grudges agains you!

Thank you! Will get back when the committee will be assembled!

Correct me if im wrong but surely this should have been done BEFORE removing puppets?
you know the age old saying, "innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers."

in the situation of hill and rockhill i hope the similarity's in the name are not your only so called proof as i see plenty of users on this forum with similar names so does that mean that they are puppets too?

or could it just be that certain people like to have an alias which may or may not resemble other peoples.

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