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July 06, 2014, 12:06:13 PM
Hey,

could someone explain to me, why #ARGpentem & #yufu571, flooding the thread with unrelated hostile posts??

I an't deleting them only to show the negative impact over our community!

i seems some socks are angry about losing their free money

 so argue here , spam and spam . i also want to make contribution for this coin and become a menber

  if translate this thread can help and be a menber , please reply me

+1000! That is all this is, socks angry they got found out! If a sock believes the Node team is in error, they can appeal and the evidence be weighed.

I support the Node team, this is going to be the next big crypto! Keep going with the development and don't let trolls and angry socks get you down Smiley
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DLISK - Next Generation Coin
July 06, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
Hey,

could someone explain to me, why #ARGpentem & #yufu571, flooding the thread with unrelated hostile posts??

I an't deleting them only to show the negative impact over our community!

i seems some socks are angry about losing their free money

 so argue here , spam and spam . i also want to make contribution for this coin and become a menber

  if translate this thread can help and be a menber , please reply me
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
July 06, 2014, 11:34:50 AM
Hey,

could someone explain to me, why #ARGpentem & #yufu571, flooding the thread with unrelated hostile posts??

I an't deleting them only to show the negative impact over our community!

These are relevant posts. Feel free to delete if you want, I check all potential coin because I am a high-roller investor looking for the next big thing.

Thank you for checking us out!  We appreciate the fact that a high-roller investor tuck the time to see the NEXT BIG THING!
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July 06, 2014, 11:27:57 AM
Hey,

could someone explain to me, why #ARGpentem & #yufu571, flooding the thread with unrelated hostile posts??

I an't deleting them only to show the negative impact over our community!

These are relevant posts. Feel free to delete if you want, I check all potential coin because I am a high-roller investor looking for the next big thing.
sr. member
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July 06, 2014, 11:26:44 AM
Your behaviors totally betray the key spirit of Cryptocurrency: openness! Shame on you, and again, your rude words!

I think Koop's approach is diplomatic and fair. Most of the detected socks will simply accept their fate especially if they are blatant socks and the evidence is against them. If there are exceptions where a user can show they are not a sock, they just have to present their case and the community can decide.

What else can we do that is both fair and protects the integrity of Node? This is the best approach to take.

I'm very much for eliminating socks but the problem here is that sometimes there is no real evidence.

"experimental calculation", "the secret method".

That for me doesn't count as real evidence unless it's abundantly clear how it was generated.

Some socks are obvious, others aren't. How is anyone to argue against a secret method ?

It is secret! The thing is that we know! And can proof it! But we won't go out loud on the forum! Cause it contains sensitive information! Thus why we will push the committee build up! We will show the proof only to them and they will convey the final word! If only that will be necessary!

At the moment there is no arguing necessary, especially for those that are in the safe zone!

The thing is that the more we are arguing on this behalf the more time we loose! Time that could be spend for more important issues!

If someone has anything to hide, they will make everything possible that it remains hidden!


But what i desire, is that those that have puppets, to pm us and confess! I don't want as much as you, to argue in vain and try to point out the obvious!


We know the reason why you made a puppet! And if you believe that we won't find you, or you have a chance to slip trough, you are being naive!


I will put all my trust in the community, and i hope that there are people that share my thinking!




Dude i see that you have a grudge against me! Mind explaining why???
sr. member
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July 06, 2014, 11:24:11 AM
Hey,

could someone explain to me, why #ARGpentem & #yufu571, flooding the thread with unrelated hostile posts??

I an't deleting them only to show the negative impact over our community!
full member
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July 06, 2014, 11:19:53 AM
Your behaviors totally betray the key spirit of Cryptocurrency: openness! Shame on you, and again, your rude words!

I think Koop's approach is diplomatic and fair. Most of the detected socks will simply accept their fate especially if they are blatant socks and the evidence is against them. If there are exceptions where a user can show they are not a sock, they just have to present their case and the community can decide.

What else can we do that is both fair and protects the integrity of Node? This is the best approach to take.

I'm very much for eliminating socks but the problem here is that sometimes there is no real evidence.

"experimental calculation", "the secret method".

That for me doesn't count as real evidence unless it's abundantly clear how it was generated.

Some socks are obvious, others aren't. How is anyone to argue against a secret method ?

It is secret! The thing is that we know! And can proof it! But we won't go out loud on the forum! Cause it contains sensitive information! Thus why we will push the committee build up! We will show the proof only to them and they will convey the final word! If only that will be necessary!

At the moment there is no arguing necessary, especially for those that are in the safe zone!

The thing is that the more we are arguing on this behalf the more time we loose! Time that could be spend for more important issues!

If someone has anything to hide, they will make everything possible that it remains hidden!


But what i desire, is that those that have puppets, to pm us and confess! I don't want as much as you, to argue in vain and try to point out the obvious!


We know the reason why you made a puppet! And if you believe that we won't find you, or you have a chance to slip trough, you are being naive!


I will put all my trust in the community, and i hope that there are people that share my thinking!



sr. member
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July 06, 2014, 11:13:32 AM
I think Koop's approach is diplomatic and fair. Most of the detected socks will simply accept their fate especially if they are blatant socks and the evidence is against them. If there are exceptions where a user can show they are not a sock, they just have to present their case and the community can decide.

What else can we do that is both fair and protects the integrity of Node? This is the best approach to take.

I'm very much for eliminating socks but the problem here is that sometimes there is no real evidence.

"experimental calculation", "the secret method".

That for me doesn't count as real evidence unless it's abundantly clear how it was generated.

Some socks are obvious, others aren't. How is anyone to argue against a secret method ?

It is secret! The thing is that we know! And can proof it! But we won't go out loud on the forum! Cause it contains sensitive information! Thus why we will push the committee build up! We will show the proof only to them and they will convey the final word! If only that will be necessary!

At the moment there is no arguing necessary, especially for those that are in the safe zone!

The thing is that the more we are arguing on this behalf the more time we loose! Time that could be spend for more important issues!

If someone has anything to hide, they will make everything possible that it remains hidden!


But what i desire, is that those that have puppets, to pm us and confess! I don't want as much as you, to argue in vain and try to point out the obvious!


We know the reason why you made a puppet! And if you believe that we won't find you, or you have a chance to slip trough, you are being naive!


I will put all my trust in the community, and i hope that there are people that share my thinking!


full member
Activity: 154
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July 06, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

i am P18, the other guys like  “waltz” and “beida“  are P18 too, so you mean we are the same puppet master?
what is ridiculous! i come from South Africa, but the  other guy seems to come from Japan!

 your filtering method is a little arbitrary.

GeoLocation is something! but how do you explain the obvious: your nickname "rockhill" #486 - and just 4 positions higher #482 user "hill"!

hmmm...

ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS?!  Shocked

Is that your evidence? Mother of god, people, what's wrong with you?

This is seriously bullshit. What's wrong with this team ?
full member
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July 06, 2014, 11:09:34 AM

We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)


May I ask what exactly that method is and how you come to such exact percentages ?
As a bystander, the NODE team is short of profession and making a self-traping!
Anyway, you should respect your investors, otherwise no one trust you!

I don't agree! And we do respect our Members! If we din't we wouldn't make it this far!


We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)


May I ask what exactly that method is and how you come to such exact percentages ?

Trough experimental calculation, more precisely we made fake accounts mimicking the behavior of a puppet master. We created a total amount of 20 puppets, and identified 19 solo trough the secret method! That is 95%! Added an additional 3% chance of finding an associated account trough subjective ways of identification & access to the NEM puppet identification thread xD!

Well it is none of my concern but when you call for an investment, and don't deliver it then it is a scam. There was a point, you guys looked desperate to find new investors and now this is how you treat some of your biggest investors ?
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July 06, 2014, 11:09:14 AM
"I don't agree! And we do respect our Members! If we din't we wouldn't make it this far!"
Come on, dude! Your rude words sell out yourself! I found no RESPECT in your historical words but  arrogance and  rudeness!
That is why i did not invest in this project! poor team!


We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)


May I ask what exactly that method is and how you come to such exact percentages ?
As a bystander, the NODE team is short of profession and making a self-traping!
Anyway, you should respect your investors, otherwise no one trust you!

I don't agree! And we do respect our Members! If we din't we wouldn't make it this far!

You received a pm 1 day before, but how many times did you check the thread?? There was an announcement going for a month!

Watch your Language

Who or what do you mean?

I've deleted, a few posts for inappropriate attitude and language!


It makes me proud and sad at the same time, guys the only way we can get you to cooperate, to express your ideas, thoughts and opinions is to create a conflict situation! Why there is no activity besides having someone to blame or to criticize?! I know this is internet, and who gives a fock... but seriously... that is all that you can do?!... :/


Ok, so for many of you who don't know, we are in a different time zone! And FYI yesterday we had our President Elected! Cheers for Ukraine! So in the future don't expect to get a reply in a few seconds! And if you have something to say, do it in a nice, constructive, way, so that other members could discuss it! Don't be a bully, or a troll - it doesn't make your life easier :/

You should know that we check every comment, and take in consideration every opinion! If you don't see measures taken at the moment, it doesn't necessarily mean that nothing will happen in the future.


I have to admit that we had problems with our threads being knocked down, and our reputation fading! But look at us, we are still holding our position!

We decided to pursuit our goal, and get as much members as we can!
A member mentioned, that our dev team is to soft!  So, if you don't like the way our ship is floating, we can refund you anytime! It is up to you!



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5662759


hero member
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July 06, 2014, 10:58:56 AM
I think Koop's approach is diplomatic and fair. Most of the detected socks will simply accept their fate especially if they are blatant socks and the evidence is against them. If there are exceptions where a user can show they are not a sock, they just have to present their case and the community can decide.

What else can we do that is both fair and protects the integrity of Node? This is the best approach to take.

I'm very much for eliminating socks but the problem here is that sometimes there is no real evidence.

"experimental calculation", "the secret method".

That for me doesn't count as real evidence unless it's abundantly clear how it was generated.

Some socks are obvious, others aren't. How is anyone to argue against a secret method ?
hero member
Activity: 596
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July 06, 2014, 10:52:36 AM
I think Koop's approach is diplomatic and fair. Most of the detected socks will simply accept their fate especially if they are blatant socks and the evidence is against them. If there are exceptions where a user can show they are not a sock, they just have to present their case and the community can decide.

What else can we do that is both fair and protects the integrity of Node? This is the best approach to take.
drm
legendary
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July 06, 2014, 10:41:37 AM
what do the arrows <-- mean

sr. member
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July 06, 2014, 10:38:28 AM

We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)


May I ask what exactly that method is and how you come to such exact percentages ?
As a bystander, the NODE team is short of profession and making a self-traping!
Anyway, you should respect your investors, otherwise no one trust you!

I don't agree! And we do respect our Members! If we din't we wouldn't make it this far!


We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)


May I ask what exactly that method is and how you come to such exact percentages ?

Trough experimental calculation, more precisely we made fake accounts mimicking the behavior of a puppet master. We created a total amount of 20 puppets, and identified 19 solo trough the secret method! That is 95%! Added an additional 3% chance of finding an associated account trough subjective ways of identification & access to the NEM puppet identification thread xD!
full member
Activity: 144
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July 06, 2014, 10:08:54 AM

We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)


May I ask what exactly that method is and how you come to such exact percentages ?
As a bystander, the NODE team is short of profession and making a self-traping!
Anyway, you should respect your investors, otherwise no one trust you!
hero member
Activity: 980
Merit: 1001
July 06, 2014, 09:59:25 AM

We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)


May I ask what exactly that method is and how you come to such exact percentages ?
hero member
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July 06, 2014, 09:53:36 AM
What an earth is going on here  Huh

This gettin ridiculous, devs should just focus to the launch.
sr. member
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July 06, 2014, 09:33:16 AM
3) I donot think koop4u's screening way is good: you cannot make a judge just with your intuition or vague indications(like similar name) and without any directive proof!
4) koop4u: What you are doing is hurting the NODE communities' faith in your executive ability and reputation.
5) You should delete any information destroying my reputation. I retain my rights to report to the BTT supervisors to defend my reputation and to refund me.

hill

I really didn't want to get into this whole thing, but seriously?

Rockhill used "donot" twice in his last few posts. I remember, because I found it unusual. He wanted to report to "BTT monitor", he was worried about his reputation, and wanted his stake returned.

That is pointless. I use "donot" too!
@koop4u
Can I buy some NODE puppet stakes?

Sorry, but we are only identifying the puppets! The community will decide what we should do with them after the elimination!
sr. member
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July 06, 2014, 09:10:34 AM
@ everyone!

We are in process of identifying Puppets and Puppet Masters!

Some of you were already identified and others soon will be!

We stated that our method of identification is 98% accurate leaving for an error margin of 2%! To cover for those 2% we are building a committee of Honest Node Members that will act as judges and will make the final decision upon certain situations: For instance the "rockhill" situation. (with no offense)

The highlighted members are those that are considered puppets with 98% accuracy! If you by chance got into those 2%! Don't panic, and don't be offended! Our goal is to clear the coin of potential usurpers that will eventually drag the coin down, if not eliminated!

But there is also the thing with relatives/friends/family! This kinda situations will be handled by the committee! If for example you have one puppet, the committee will decide if you will be useful for the community, a if that extra stake will harm the coin! But if it was identified that you are associated with 3-5-7 puppets, the answer might be not to your favor. It will be totally up to the committee members!

So far asked dzarmush, hypersire, MsCollec!

If you guys have any other proposals who will be a good judge, or if someone is willing don't hesitate to post it in the thread!


How this will work out your asking:

The devs will act as the offenders
The Committee as judges
And you as the defensive side!

The process:

A thread for complains will be created: where you will be able to point out your complain!

1) The devs will provide proof to the committee, that the accused is guilty!
2) The member will have the right to defend himself, and to bring proof that he is not guilty!
3) The committee will decide trough open vote, if the accused is guilty!

Just like in a real trial!

If you ask why is the committee even necessary! Because they will review sensitive information provided by the dev team, which doesn't belong on the public!



Also there is another way to deal with the matter peacefully! Pm us and we will get by this situation without making a fuss!

We don't have a black list, and you will loose only the puppets, your main account will be kept! And we will have no grudges agains you!


Thank you! Will get back when the committee will be assembled!

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