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legendary
Activity: 1700
Merit: 1075
July 06, 2014, 09:08:06 AM
Hi, I create a Page named Node money. https://www.facebook.com/node.money Smiley
If they want to make it the official page just say so.
Thanks for the effort - but please no facebook or any other big-company-must-register-data-collection-surveillance-get-the-f*ck-out-website Wink
THX, Facebook gives good marketing. I'll try to keep the page updated...

But your guys use Google shit sheet, who collects your data and uses against you through advertisements. lol
full member
Activity: 144
Merit: 100
July 06, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
3) I donot think koop4u's screening way is good: you cannot make a judge just with your intuition or vague indications(like similar name) and without any directive proof!
4) koop4u: What you are doing is hurting the NODE communities' faith in your executive ability and reputation.
5) You should delete any information destroying my reputation. I retain my rights to report to the BTT supervisors to defend my reputation and to refund me.

hill

I really didn't want to get into this whole thing, but seriously?

Rockhill used "donot" twice in his last few posts. I remember, because I found it unusual. He wanted to report to "BTT monitor", he was worried about his reputation, and wanted his stake returned.

That is pointless. I use "donot" too!
@koop4u
Can I buy some NODE puppet stakes?
hero member
Activity: 739
Merit: 500
July 06, 2014, 08:37:51 AM
3) I donot think koop4u's screening way is good: you cannot make a judge just with your intuition or vague indications(like similar name) and without any directive proof!
4) koop4u: What you are doing is hurting the NODE communities' faith in your executive ability and reputation.
5) You should delete any information destroying my reputation. I retain my rights to report to the BTT supervisors to defend my reputation and to refund me.

hill

I really didn't want to get into this whole thing, but seriously?

Rockhill used "donot" twice in his last few posts. I remember, because I found it unusual. He wanted to report to "BTT monitor", he was worried about his reputation, and wanted his stake returned.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 06, 2014, 08:34:56 AM
@ koop4u, rockhill, beida, watlz and ney.

Hi, I am hill. Rockhill reminded me that koop4u judged us and other three guys as puppet accounts. I want to state that I am not "rockhill, not "beida", not "waltz",and not "ney"(I just defend for myself but not for others).  The arbitrary  accusation is meaningless and too much autocracy!
1) I am hill. I have a good reputation in the BTT, especially in the Mastercoin and Rockxie community. I have made more than 10 deals(more than 4,0000 dollars) with other members of BTT. Some respectable members, like maxmint(msc escrower), W2014, alexout(deal with no escrow), and Pouncer, can verify that I am a trustworthy man.
2) I am a stakeholder of NXTL. It is unbelievable to me that one person registered more than accounts just for NXTL stake at the risk of losing his funds. Let alone the costing time!
3) I donot think koop4u's screening way is good: you cannot make a judge just with your intuition or vague indications(like similar name) and without any directive proof!
4) koop4u: What you are doing is hurting the NODE communities' faith in your executive ability and reputation.
5) You should delete any information destroying my reputation. I retain my rights to report to the BTT supervisors to defend my reputation and to refund me.

hill

To be honest I don't even see a reason for you or anybody else to prove their innocence.

Devs should post their evidences first and then let people defend themselves. Or if there are not enough evidences to accuse someone, nothing to discuss then.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Risk taker & Black Swan farmer.
July 06, 2014, 08:13:58 AM
I think this project could really use someone who can properly help organize things along with someone to be a pr person for the dev team/project.

It would help advance the project a lot faster with a lot less friction.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 06, 2014, 07:50:06 AM
If there are just assumptions and not strong evidence, make for this category better a intern list, which will be verified in the last phase of the sockpuppet removal.

I agree with that. Also I'd like to add that any evidences except payments from the same address are assumptions.

It's also interesting how people have to prove they're not puppets.

— I'm not a puppet
— But you've got similar nickname
— Yes I do, but I'm not a puppet
— I don't believe you
— WTF

 Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 437
Merit: 250
July 06, 2014, 07:43:26 AM
With NODE you are never bored Smiley

I am not sure what i should say to the witch-hunt, it is a difficult point.
I think we all know what is going on in this forum, it is really no secret,
that various sockpuppets and their masters are a real problem.
If they are investing time and energy and they are succesfull to grab
a huge amount of stacks, they could be in a position to  damage a
currency generally or in critcal phases.
That is one point, another point is pure technical it is hard to find them.

It must be handled so why not make some steam and let's see what
will happen, i see there not so many options then to make some shavings.

But it should be made more diplomatic, maybe if you are quite sure, make it
official or however , but if there are just assumptions and not strong evidence,
make for this category better a intern list, which will be verified in the last phase
of the sockpuppet removal.

just my 2 cents

regards
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
July 06, 2014, 07:09:12 AM
NXTL team is so arbitrary and dictatorial, which hurted my reputation and heart! I ask for refunding me ASSP:
please return 100nxt to my account 14829977924296251754
my sending history: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5238373

ps: the other so called "puppet" obviously invested with BTC not NXT! additionlly, the "beida" guy is a non-english guy! japanese or chinese? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6250791

ps: why donot mark "rockhill" and "rocker10" as puppet? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 06, 2014, 07:04:36 AM
As for FlyCloud and FeiKanny looks like 100% hit. All payments made from https://blockchain.info/address/13BaV9am5PBGjsH9xEztde3Hngsx9UBzcG

But "hill" and "rockhill", c'mon people...

sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
July 06, 2014, 06:54:09 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

What method are you using to detect those account?  Scanner?

Here is the announcement: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7550635

However, publicly showing puppet account of people is not cool. I just contacted someone that I saw his puppet usernames. You should have it hidden or just removed it.

What if you were wrong? How are you going to compensate the individual?

I do admit that you have a point! But i would like to hear your explanation, why do you think it is not cool??? And why should we hide it??

I'm not saying that you are wrong, and we won't do it! I'm just curious of your opinion!

And by any means we are not trying to discreditate  someone, we are doing our job! And if the community is agains our way of doing it! We will gladly change the method!

And we are only pointing out the obvious! If we see the potential of being wrong we don't take the chance of highlighting an innocent person!


You can be 100% right only if 2 payments were made from the same address. Otherwise there's a chance that you've mistaken. I hate to tell it again but I'm tired to see how you handle ALL orginizing stuff.

When we were looking for puppets in NEM we posted evidences first, then checked them and then devs deleted puppets. You can't mark people as puppets unless you're 100% sure. You're not in the right to put someone's fair name under question.

At least post evidences and mark them as "potencial puppets". But you mark them as puppets with no evidences provided.
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

What method are you using to detect those account?  Scanner?

Here is the announcement: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7550635

However, publicly showing puppet account of people is not cool. I just contacted someone that I saw his puppet usernames. You should have it hidden or just removed it.

What if you were wrong? How are you going to compensate the individual?

I do admit that you have a point! But i would like to hear your explanation, why do you think it is not cool??? And why should we hide it??

I'm not saying that you are wrong, and we won't do it! I'm just curious of your opinion!

And by any means we are not trying to discreditate  someone, we are doing our job! And if the community is agains our way of doing it! We will gladly change the method!

And we are only pointing out the obvious! If we see the potential of being wrong we don't take the chance of highlighting an innocent person!


You can be 100% right only if 2 payments were made from the same address. Otherwise there's a chance that you've mistaken. I hate to tell it again but I'm tired to see how you handle ALL orginizing stuff.

When we were looking for puppets in NEM we posted evidences first, then checked them and then devs deleted puppets. You can't mark people as puppets unless you're 100% sure. You're not in the right to put someone's fair name under question.

At least post evidences and mark them as "potencial puppets". But you mark them as puppets with no evidences provided.
If that's how you "found" almost 100 "puppets" be ready for almost 100 angree users.

Of course we are serious! And we are 100% sure of it! More than that remember our announcement: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7550635 ?! That is the method including a secret one that will divulged later!

I hate to repeat myself:  THIS IS NOT NEM!!!

and in the earlier message i'm just messing with "rockhill" cause we are already aware of whats going on!

Ohh, and about the proof! We want to make a commission of honest NODE Users!!! For instance like you! Who will check our secret method of identifying the puppets, and that can give credit of its workability!

what do you say ??

Also what will be your answer to
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

What method are you using to detect those account?  Scanner?

Here is the announcement: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7550635

However, publicly showing puppet account of people is not cool. I just contacted someone that I saw his puppet usernames. You should have it hidden or just removed it.

What if you were wrong? How are you going to compensate the individual?
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 06, 2014, 06:53:37 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

i am P18, the other guys like  “waltz” and “beida“  are P18 too, so you mean we are the same puppet master?
what is ridiculous! i come from South Africa, but the  other guy seems to come from Japan!

 your filtering method is a little arbitrary.

GeoLocation is something! but how do you explain the obvious: your nickname "rockhill" #486 - and just 4 positions higher #482 user "hill"!

hmmm...

GeoLocation is misleading! just hill like rockhill, than they are the same person? with the same way, why donot you mark "waltz" and "manowar" as the puppet master?
you shold contact the hill guy, i will report the BTT monitor that you are destroying some kind person's reputation!


That's crazy, I agree.

I checked few more people. There's a total scumbag, asshole and troll Attack.of.the.Clones, who I fought in Qora thread, marked with the same number as a user who looks like a decent guy and a newbie account. I can only wonder what connection they could possibly find between them...

"rockhill" and "hill"... well, no comments, just a huge facepalm
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
July 06, 2014, 06:44:18 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

i am P18, the other guys like  “waltz” and “beida“  are P18 too, so you mean we are the same puppet master?
what is ridiculous! i come from South Africa, but the  other guy seems to come from Japan!

 your filtering method is a little arbitrary.

GeoLocation is something! but how do you explain the obvious: your nickname "rockhill" #486 - and just 4 positions higher #482 user "hill"!

hmmm...

GeoLocation is misleading! just hill like rockhill, than they are the same person? with the same way, why donot you mark "waltz" and "manowar" as the puppet master?
you shold contact the ”hill“, "waltz” and "ney" guy, i will report the BTT monitor that you are destroying some kind person's reputation!


You can be 100% right only if 2 payments were made from the same address. Otherwise there's a chance that you've mistaken. I hate to tell it again but I'm tired to see how you handle ALL orginizing stuff.
+1
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 06, 2014, 06:42:04 AM
If that's how you "found" almost 100 "puppets" be ready for almost 100 angry users.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 06, 2014, 06:36:21 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

i am P18, the other guys like  “waltz” and “beida“  are P18 too, so you mean we are the same puppet master?
what is ridiculous! i come from South Africa, but the  other guy seems to come from Japan!

 your filtering method is a little arbitrary.

GeoLocation is something! but how do you explain the obvious: your nickname "rockhill" #486 - and just 4 positions higher #482 user "hill"!

hmmm...

ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS?!  Shocked

Is that your evidence? Mother of god, people, what's wrong with you?
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 06, 2014, 06:34:59 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

What method are you using to detect those account?  Scanner?

Here is the announcement: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7550635

However, publicly showing puppet account of people is not cool. I just contacted someone that I saw his puppet usernames. You should have it hidden or just removed it.

What if you were wrong? How are you going to compensate the individual?

I do admit that you have a point! But i would like to hear your explanation, why do you think it is not cool??? And why should we hide it??

I'm not saying that you are wrong, and we won't do it! I'm just curious of your opinion!

And by any means we are not trying to discreditate  someone, we are doing our job! And if the community is agains our way of doing it! We will gladly change the method!

And we are only pointing out the obvious! If we see the potential of being wrong we don't take the chance of highlighting an innocent person!


You can be 100% right only if 2 payments were made from the same address. Otherwise there's a chance that you've mistaken. I hate to tell it again but I'm tired to see how you handle ALL orginizing stuff.

When we were looking for puppets in NEM we posted evidences first, then checked them and then devs deleted puppets. You can't mark people as puppets unless you're 100% sure. You're not in the right to put someone's fair name under question.

At least post evidences and mark them as "potencial puppets". But you mark them as puppets with no evidences provided.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
July 06, 2014, 06:34:41 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

i am P18, the other guys like  “waltz” and “beida“  are P18 too, so you mean we are the same puppet master?
what is ridiculous! i come from South Africa, but the  other guy seems to come from Japan!

 your filtering method is a little arbitrary.

GeoLocation is something! but how do you explain the obvious: your nickname "rockhill" #486 - and just 4 positions higher #482 user "hill"!

hmmm...
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1000
July 06, 2014, 06:31:45 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

What method are you using to detect those account?  Scanner?

Here is the announcement: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7550635

However, publicly showing puppet account of people is not cool. I just contacted someone that I saw his puppet usernames. You should have it hidden or just removed it.

What if you were wrong? How are you going to compensate the individual?

I do admit that you have a point! But i would like to hear your explanation, why do you think it is not cool??? And why should we hide it??

I'm not saying that you are wrong, and we won't do it! I'm just curious of your opinion!

And by any means we are not trying to discreditate  someone, we are doing our job! And if the community is agains our way of doing it! We will gladly change the method!

And we are only pointing out the obvious! If wee see the potential of being wrong we don't take the chance of highlighting an innocent person!


Don't they deserve their privacy? Do you consider family members / co-workers account as puppet?

I have seen an account that has no connection to the linked puppet.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
July 06, 2014, 06:22:31 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

What method are you using to detect those account?  Scanner?

Here is the announcement: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7550635

However, publicly showing puppet account of people is not cool. I just contacted someone that I saw his puppet usernames. You should have it hidden or just removed it.

What if you were wrong? How are you going to compensate the individual?

I do admit that you have a point! But i would like to hear your explanation, why do you think it is not cool??? And why should we hide it??

I'm not saying that you are wrong, and we won't do it! I'm just curious of your opinion!

And by any means we are not trying to discreditate  someone, we are doing our job! And if the community is agains our way of doing it! We will gladly change the method!

And we are only pointing out the obvious! If we see the potential of being wrong we don't take the chance of highlighting an innocent person!
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
July 06, 2014, 06:06:12 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

i am P18, the other guys like  “waltz” and “beida“  are P18 too, so you mean we are the same puppet master?
what is ridiculous! i come from South Africa, but the  other guy seems to come from Japan!

 your filtering method is a little arbitrary.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1000
July 06, 2014, 06:05:35 AM
what do the P18 and P3 mean?

P stands for Puppet!

The number is the group associated with a particular Puppet Master!!

What method are you using to detect those account?  Scanner?

Here is the announcement: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7550635

However, publicly showing puppet account of people is not cool. I just contacted someone that I saw his puppet usernames. You should have it hidden or just removed it.

What if you were wrong? How are you going to compensate the individual?
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