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"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

What part of ambiguous and open to interpretation and reasonable disagreement is not clear?

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I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

I made no accusation with respect to premine, nor did I pressure. I posted evidence of the instamine, described as such. You can see it back on this thread.

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Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?

You throw the word slander around occasionally but it doesn't mean something you don't like, or that make you uncomfortable, or that impede promotion of a coin. It means untrue statements that cause harm. My statements are not untrue.



OK so can you confirm that your position is that you are not accusing Dash of having a premine?  I am looking for clarification to this specific question.

My posts say what I want to say. I'm not going to dumb down a nuanced discussion at your request.



Ok I am not surprised you can't answer simple question like this either Smooth to be honest after your lead dev today accuses straight out that Dash is a premine for the first time, you are ambiguous, and neither of you can present any factual research or are even aware of the actual launch date or which blocks are involved.

First of all he's not my lead dev, he is one of the core team. Second of all, I don't speak for him, nor does he speak for me. If you have some concern about something he said, you will have to ask him about it. Finally I did present factual research in terms of when the public launch was repeatedly scheduled and rescheduled over a period of a few hours (including links to and quotes from specific posts), and the facts about specific blocks is clear from the blockchain and various graphs (with almost 600k coins mined in the first hour, so if the launch was even one hour ahead of schedule, that would be at a minimum a 600k premine). So it is nonsense that no "factual research" is presented.

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Apologies to this thread that the Monero trolling has spilled here and that CMC is now put in a really awkward position - Welcome to Trollero...

Name calling doesn't do your cause any favors, it just makes you look like a typical altcoin pumping zealot.


If you are starting up the convo again Smooth...I don't care about the conjecture and name calling, I just want a simple clarification of your position:

Are you accusing Dash of being a premine, yes or no?  

Why are you leaving this as a grey area, you either are able to make that accusation or you aren't which is it?

(this is going to get really tedious while I presumably have to keep repeating this question until Smooth actually answers it...and this is the 6th time I had to ask it plus another 6 times I asked Fluffy until he put me on ignore so he doesn't have to answer either...)



This is getting repetitious. I already said I've given my opinion on the question and I've also explained why there is no clear yes or no answer. No need to continue going in circles simply because you don't like my answer.

I don't know what you wrote about your opinion, that's the reason I am asking for a clarification.

Would you mind simply clarifying it here perhaps now for those of us that didn't see it in your posts?

Are you making the accusation that Dash is a premine, yes or no?
legendary
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"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

What part of ambiguous and open to interpretation and reasonable disagreement is not clear?

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I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

I made no accusation with respect to premine, nor did I pressure. I posted evidence of the instamine, described as such. You can see it back on this thread.

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Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?

You throw the word slander around occasionally but it doesn't mean something you don't like, or that make you uncomfortable, or that impede promotion of a coin. It means untrue statements that cause harm. My statements are not untrue.



OK so can you confirm that your position is that you are not accusing Dash of having a premine?  I am looking for clarification to this specific question.

My posts say what I want to say. I'm not going to dumb down a nuanced discussion at your request.



Ok I am not surprised you can't answer simple question like this either Smooth to be honest after your lead dev today accuses straight out that Dash is a premine for the first time, you are ambiguous, and neither of you can present any factual research or are even aware of the actual launch date or which blocks are involved.

First of all he's not my lead dev, he is one of the core team. Second of all, I don't speak for him, nor does he speak for me. If you have some concern about something he said, you will have to ask him about it. Finally I did present factual research in terms of when the public launch was repeatedly scheduled and rescheduled over a period of a few hours (including links to and quotes from specific posts), and the facts about specific blocks is clear from the blockchain and various graphs (with almost 600k coins mined in the first hour, so if the launch was even one hour ahead of schedule, that would be at a minimum a 600k premine). So it is nonsense that no "factual research" is presented.

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Apologies to this thread that the Monero trolling has spilled here and that CMC is now put in a really awkward position - Welcome to Trollero...

Name calling doesn't do your cause any favors, it just makes you look like a typical altcoin pumping zealot.


If you are starting up the convo again Smooth...I don't care about the conjecture and name calling, I just want a simple clarification of your position:

Are you accusing Dash of being a premine, yes or no?  

Why are you leaving this as a grey area, you either are able to make that accusation or you aren't which is it?

(this is going to get really tedious while I presumably have to keep repeating this question until Smooth actually answers it...and this is the 6th time I had to ask it plus another 6 times I asked Fluffy until he put me on ignore so he doesn't have to answer either...)



This is getting repetitious. I already said I've given my opinion on the question and I've also explained why there is no clear yes or no answer. No need to continue going in circles simply because you don't like my answer.
newbie
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EXACTLY IT WAS A FUCKING INSTAMINE NOT A PREMINE YOU DUMB PIECE OF SHIT GLISS!

if a premine means to change the block reward manually then coinmarketcap has to add others coins that changed block reward after release to the premine list too

fagg ot gliss is probably a fucking shitcoin holder, dash had its block reward changed, SO FUCKING WHAT!
sr. member
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"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

What part of ambiguous and open to interpretation and reasonable disagreement is not clear?

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I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

I made no accusation with respect to premine, nor did I pressure. I posted evidence of the instamine, described as such. You can see it back on this thread.

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Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?

You throw the word slander around occasionally but it doesn't mean something you don't like, or that make you uncomfortable, or that impede promotion of a coin. It means untrue statements that cause harm. My statements are not untrue.



OK so can you confirm that your position is that you are not accusing Dash of having a premine?  I am looking for clarification to this specific question.

My posts say what I want to say. I'm not going to dumb down a nuanced discussion at your request.



Ok I am not surprised you can't answer simple question like this either Smooth to be honest after your lead dev today accuses straight out that Dash is a premine for the first time, you are ambiguous, and neither of you can present any factual research or are even aware of the actual launch date or which blocks are involved.

First of all he's not my lead dev, he is one of the core team. Second of all, I don't speak for him, nor does he speak for me. If you have some concern about something he said, you will have to ask him about it. Finally I did present factual research in terms of when the public launch was repeatedly scheduled and rescheduled over a period of a few hours (including links to and quotes from specific posts), and the facts about specific blocks is clear from the blockchain and various graphs (with almost 600k coins mined in the first hour, so if the launch was even one hour ahead of schedule, that would be at a minimum a 600k premine). So it is nonsense that no "factual research" is presented.

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Apologies to this thread that the Monero trolling has spilled here and that CMC is now put in a really awkward position - Welcome to Trollero...

Name calling doesn't do your cause any favors, it just makes you look like a typical altcoin pumping zealot.


If you are starting up the convo again Smooth...I don't care about the conjecture and name calling, I just want a simple clarification of your position:

Are you accusing Dash of being a premine, yes or no?  

Why are you leaving this as a grey area, you either are able to make that accusation or you aren't which is it?

(this is going to get really tedious while I presumably have to keep repeating this question until Smooth actually answers it...and this is the 6th time I had to ask it plus another 6 times I asked Fluffy until he put me on ignore so he doesn't have to answer either...)

hero member
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-I refused to read the answer to that question, so I have to keep asking to make it look like I'm right and fluffypony is wrong-

By means of a direct comparison, where Dash's average block reward for the first 4500 blocks was 443 Dash, and 33.5 Dash on average thereafter, let's look at Monero's.

For the first 4500 blocks (like an hour and a bit) the block reward was 17.5 XMR. The average block reward for the 12+ months thereafter is 13.7 XMR.

Do you see the dichotomy?

Wait, are you saying XMR was mined 4500 blocks in the first hour? 4500 * 17.5 = 78,750 XMR, which is worth of 78 BTC using the first weeks' OTC price.

Or did I get some of the numbers wrong.
hero member
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-scam supporting nonsense-

Another thing I find interesting is that the average block reward for the first 4500 Dash blocks (ie. the first 32.8 hours) is 443 Dash.

The average block reward for the 70 000-odd blocks since then is 33.5 Dash. What an incredible difference!

Truly, the gods must have shined upon those miners, as they simultaneously punished those who perhaps fell ill and didn't check Bitcointalk for a day. It really is clear that this is just a happy accident.

Yes, what a punishment... 443 coins was worth 0.011075 BTC during the first weeks of OTC trading. And that makes the 4500 block's total worth 50 BTC.

And btw, it wasn't premine, as I had nothing to do with the dev(s) and managed to mine those bonus blocks in the beginning just fine. Smiley
newbie
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HEY GLISS, YOU BITCH ASS HOE

Dash had a instamine! not a premine you dorky geek! dont be hating you bitch!

IF A PREMINE MEANS TO CHANGE THE BLOCK REWARD AFTER RELEASE, THEN EVERY OTHER COIN THAT HAD BLOCK REWARDS CHANGED AFTER REALSE IS ON THE PREMINE LIST TOO YOU FUCKING HOE!
legendary
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"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

What part of ambiguous and open to interpretation and reasonable disagreement is not clear?

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I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

I made no accusation with respect to premine, nor did I pressure. I posted evidence of the instamine, described as such. You can see it back on this thread.

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Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?

You throw the word slander around occasionally but it doesn't mean something you don't like, or that make you uncomfortable, or that impede promotion of a coin. It means untrue statements that cause harm. My statements are not untrue.



OK so can you confirm that your position is that you are not accusing Dash of having a premine?  I am looking for clarification to this specific question.

My posts say what I want to say. I'm not going to dumb down a nuanced discussion at your request.



Ok I am not surprised you can't answer simple question like this either Smooth to be honest after your lead dev today accuses straight out that Dash is a premine for the first time, you are ambiguous, and neither of you can present any factual research or are even aware of the actual launch date or which blocks are involved.

First of all he's not my lead dev, he is one of the core team. Second of all, I don't speak for him, nor does he speak for me. If you have some concern about something he said, you will have to ask him about it. Finally I did present factual research in terms of when the public launch was repeatedly scheduled and rescheduled over a period of a few hours (including links to and quotes from specific posts), and the facts about specific blocks is clear from the blockchain and various graphs (with almost 600k coins mined in the first hour, so if the launch was even one hour ahead of schedule, that would be at a minimum a 600k premine). So it is nonsense that no "factual research" is presented.

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Apologies to this thread that the Monero trolling has spilled here and that CMC is now put in a really awkward position - Welcome to Trollero...

Name calling doesn't do your cause any favors, it just makes you look like a typical altcoin pumping zealot.
sr. member
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"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

What part of ambiguous and open to interpretation and reasonable disagreement is not clear?

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I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

I made no accusation with respect to premine, nor did I pressure. I posted evidence of the instamine, described as such. You can see it back on this thread.

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Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?

You throw the word slander around occasionally but it doesn't mean something you don't like, or that make you uncomfortable, or that impede promotion of a coin. It means untrue statements that cause harm. My statements are not untrue.



OK so can you confirm that your position is that you are not accusing Dash of having a premine?  I am looking for clarification to this specific question.

My posts say what I want to say. I'm not going to dumb down a nuanced discussion at your request.



Ok I am not surprised you can't answer simple question like this either Smooth to be honest after your lead dev today accuses straight out that Dash is a premine for the first time, you are ambiguous, and neither of you can present any factual research or are even aware of the actual launch date or which blocks are involved.

Apologies to this thread that the Monero trolling has spilled here and that CMC is now put in a really awkward position - Welcome to Trollero...
legendary
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"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

What part of ambiguous and open to interpretation and reasonable disagreement is not clear?

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I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

I made no accusation with respect to premine, nor did I pressure. I posted evidence of the instamine, described as such. You can see it back on this thread.

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Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?

You throw the word slander around occasionally but it doesn't mean something you don't like, or that make you uncomfortable, or that impede promotion of a coin. It means untrue statements that cause harm. My statements are not untrue.



OK so can you confirm that your position is that you are not accusing Dash of having a premine?  I am looking for clarification to this specific question.

My posts say what I want to say. I'm not going to dumb down a nuanced discussion at your request.

sr. member
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Merit: 255
"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

What part of ambiguous and open to interpretation and reasonable disagreement is not clear?

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I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

I made no accusation with respect to premine, nor did I pressure. I posted evidence of the instamine, described as such. You can see it back on this thread.

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Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?

You throw the word slander around occasionally but it doesn't mean something you don't like, or that make you uncomfortable, or that impede promotion of a coin. It means untrue statements that cause harm. My statements are not untrue.



OK so can you confirm that your position is that you are not accusing Dash of having a premine?  I am looking for clarification to this specific question.
legendary
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"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

What part of ambiguous and open to interpretation and reasonable disagreement is not clear?

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I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

I made no accusation with respect to premine, nor did I pressure. I posted evidence of the instamine, described as such. You can see it back on this thread.

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Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?

You throw the word slander around occasionally but it doesn't mean something you don't like, or that make you uncomfortable, or that impede promotion of a coin. It means untrue statements that cause harm. My statements are not untrue.

sr. member
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Starting to get really confused...premine has a specific definition - pre (before) mine...

how can something be mined more or less before launch?    It either was or wasn't, which?

Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous. You would come up with a very different time for "launch" depending on which statements from Evan you happened to see or believe.

I think you would have to agree this was not a situation where the launch was scheduled and announced a week ahead of time and went off when scheduled. It was a mess.

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If it was...post your research so we can share and validate it.

I've posted links to the relevant posts that give several different planned earliest launch times. There should be no issue with "validating" those. If you interpret those posts by Evan to mean that the mining started before it was supposed to (arguably days before) that could reasonably be considered a premine.  



"Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous."

So if *you don't know* the launch date, how do you know there was a premine?

I.e. how can you say with enough certainty that there was a premine, to warrant throwing accusations like this around, and even pressuring 3rd party websites to warn their users of this on your behalf?  Are you saying that you don't actually know if there was a premine?

Again if there was a premine, where is your research / hard evidence / blocks / dates etc like any normal person would give before slandering a coin that if price gets negatively affected you will directly benefit?
legendary
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Starting to get really confused...premine has a specific definition - pre (before) mine...

how can something be mined more or less before launch?    It either was or wasn't, which?

Because the time of "launch" was very ambiguous. You would come up with a very different time for "launch" depending on which statements from Evan you happened to see or believe.

I think you would have to agree this was not a situation where the launch was scheduled and announced a week ahead of time and went off when scheduled. At best it was very messy and suspicious.

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If it was...post your research so we can share and validate it.

I've posted links to the relevant posts that give several different planned earliest launch times. There should be no issue with "validating" those. If you interpret those posts by Evan to mean that the mining started before it was supposed to (arguably days before) that could reasonably be considered a premine. 

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yes or no?

I don't have a yes or no opinion, I think its a reasonable interpretation either way. In other words, I wouldn't say someone who said "yes" or "no" were lying, just disagreeing.

fluffypony can speak for himself if he chooses, although he did say he was putting you on ignore.

sr. member
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I already answered on the previous page:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11215454

I happen to think its a sad day in crypto when you can do all kinds of shady stuff to a launch that misleads people into not mining at all, don't have Windows versions, mine out a crapload of coins in 30 hours (really 1-8 hours) when hardly anyone is paying attention, and then go say "oh its not a premine, please don't tag us."

It's highly relevant information that an enormous portions of the float was basically distributed to a few lucky and/or connected people in hours under very questionable circumstances. It's appalling but totally understandable from a greed perspective that people want to suppress that sort of disclosure and treat coins with some kind of bizarre and twisted version of public as being mined normally. They're not.


Hi Smooth

I am waiting for a response from Fluffy to his premine accusation.

You changed your story today, now you and Fluffy are saying "premine" same time CMC does, before today you always said "instamine".

Not really. Personally I think its more of an instamine than a premine and I've consistently said so from my first post here on the topic (before the ** tag was added). I just think the premine thing isn't totally a slam dunk given the shadiness of this supposedly public launch.

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And your above link is just pure speculation, doesn't explain why today you discovered a premine? -

Not one aspect of it is speculation. It is all fully documented here. See quotes at the bottom of the post.

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post here the blocks from the premine please so we can investigate?

I don't know what blocks you are looking for. Check an explorer. Compare with the date "a few days" later when Evan said he was going to try the launch again. The blocks are before that.

We are talking specifically about the change now to "premine" from "instamine" - I know you are not happy about the Dash launch, you posted ~700 times on that recently I estimated, practically every day for the last 8 weeks.

"Personally I think its more of an instamine than a premine"

Starting to get really confused...premine has a specific definition - pre (before) mine...

how can something be mined more or less before launch?    It either was or wasn't, which?

Fluffy has made his accusation and then ran off when asked to prove it.

What are you saying, was Dash a "premine" - mining occurred before public launch - or not?

If it was...post your research so we can share and validate it.

If it wasn't, say so - you are both the Monero core devs and you now got CMC involved in this please be clear - yes or no?

legendary
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I already answered on the previous page:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11215454

I happen to think its a sad day in crypto when you can do all kinds of shady stuff to a launch that misleads people into not mining at all, don't have Windows versions, mine out a crapload of coins in 30 hours (really 1-8 hours) when hardly anyone is paying attention, and then go say "oh its not a premine, please don't tag us."

It's highly relevant information that an enormous portions of the float was basically distributed to a few lucky and/or connected people in hours under very questionable circumstances. It's appalling but totally understandable from a greed perspective that people want to suppress that sort of disclosure and treat coins with some kind of bizarre and twisted version of public as being mined normally. They're not.


Hi Smooth

I am waiting for a response from Fluffy to his premine accusation.

You changed your story today, now you and Fluffy are saying "premine" same time CMC does, before today you always said "instamine".

Not really. Personally I think its more of an instamine than a premine and I've consistently said so from my first post here on the topic (before the ** tag was added). I just think the premine label isn't without merit either given the extreme shadiness of this supposedly public launch.

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And your above link is just pure speculation, doesn't explain why today you discovered a premine? -

Not one aspect of it is speculation. It is all fully documented here. See quotes at the bottom of the post.

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post here the blocks from the premine please so we can investigate?

I don't know what blocks you are looking for. Check an explorer. Compare with the date "a few days" later when Evan said he was going to try the launch again. The blocks are before that.
sr. member
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I already answered on the previous page:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11215454

I happen to think its a sad day in crypto when you can do all kinds of shady stuff to a launch that misleads people into not mining at all, don't have Windows versions, mine out a crapload of coins in 30 hours (really 1-8 hours) when hardly anyone is paying attention, and then go say "oh its not a premine, please don't tag us."

It's highly relevant information that an enormous portions of the float was basically distributed to a few lucky and/or connected people in hours under very questionable circumstances. It's appalling but totally understandable from a greed perspective that people want to suppress that sort of disclosure and treat coins with some kind of bizarre and twisted version of public as being mined normally. They're not.


Hi Smooth

I am waiting for a response from Fluffy to his premine accusation.

You changed your story today, now you and Fluffy are saying "premine" same time CMC does, before today you always said "instamine".

And your above link is just pure speculation, doesn't explain why today you discovered a premine? -

post here the blocks from the premine please so we can investigate?

And till waiting for an official explanation of premine evidence from the Monero lead FluffyPony that I asked 5 times and got no response.

cheers
legendary
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I already answered on the previous page:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11215454

I happen to think its a sad day in crypto when you can do all kinds of shady stuff to a launch that misleads people into not mining at all, don't have Windows versions, mine out a crapload of coins (far, far more than disclosed in the announcement/formulas) in 30 hours (really 1-8 hours) when hardly anyone is paying attention, cut the subsequent mining to further increase the effective size of the crapload, and then go say "oh its not a premine, please don't tag us."

It's highly relevant information that an enormous portion of the float was basically distributed to a few lucky and/or connected people in just hours under very questionable circumstances. It's appalling but totally understandable from a greed perspective that people want to suppress that sort of disclosure and treat coins with a bizarre and twisted version of public mining as being mined normally. They're not.
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-snip-

You call youurself a dev and you dont know what premine is. What a moron. DASH was not premined, and displaying it like that is incorrect and unprofessional from a site claiming to know what its doing.
-snip-

Put CoinMarketCap asside, lets here it from you, a simple YES or NO, was DASH premined ? As in mined before launch? Please be simple in your answer.
sr. member
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absolutely nothing to do with Dash being correctly marked as a significantly premined cryptocurrency.

Stop trying to deflect.

So this is the Monero lead dev and owner of MyMonero.com, where aparently 50% of Monero wallets reside.

He is now saying it is correct to say Dash is a "premine", which is new because until recently he was saying it was an "instamine".

"Pre" - means - "before" - as in "before the launch".

You are saying that CMC listing is correct because Dark were mined before the launch.

Proof now please...


We've published absolutely no stats, and it's impossible to determine how many Monero "wallets" there are, so where do you get that figure from? Stop lying, BlockaFett, it's unbecoming and unprofessional.
No disrepect Fluffy but that is a deflection.

I would like to get an answer to this, I think it's fair seeing as you are here making the accusation

you said:

absolutely nothing to do with Dash being correctly marked as a significantly premined cryptocurrency.

Stop trying to deflect.

I am asking:

"Pre" - means - "before" - as in "before the launch".

You are saying that CMC listing is correct because Dark were mined before the launch.


What is your proof?

You see, it's this sort of behaviour that makes me wonder if you're either incredibly stupid or just trolling. I replied to that already. Best you read up, son: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11214972

This sort of behaviour?

And where does it say that "significantly premined" is a generalization?

Premine term in crypto is a specific term that means Devs solo mine their currency before public launch

That's why we have a seperate term to describe situations where the Dev let others join the launch but the emission was high - "instamine" - and a third term for when the instamining dev doesn't deliver and/or dumps their coins - "instamine scam"

I call again for you to backup specifically how Dash is now a "premine" instead of an "instamine" as your dev team were posting hundreds of times in the last few weeks alone

If you can't, then you sir are disingenuous.  And given your position that as a Monero holder you would benefit from this...

Proof of premine please...

Another thing I find interesting is that the average block reward for the first 4500 Dash blocks (ie. the first 32.8 hours) is 443 Dash.

The average block reward for the 70 000-odd blocks since then is 33.5 Dash. What an incredible difference!

Truly, the gods must have shined upon those miners, as they simultaneously punished those who perhaps fell ill and didn't check Bitcointalk for a day. It really is clear that this is just a happy accident.

Sorry to press the point FluffyPony but this is the 4th time I am having to ask you to backup the specific accusation you made that Dash is a premine.

Forgive me for pressing the point, but Dash is the leading anon coin and key competitor to Monero from your perspective.

If you accuse the Dash dev of mining coins before the launch in this case I think it's fair to demand an answer as to what evidence you have that anyone solo mined Dash before the public launch?

Please address this specifically, it's not fair on this thread to keep having to ask the same question.

By means of a direct comparison, where Dash's average block reward for the first 4500 blocks was 443 Dash, and 33.5 Dash on average thereafter, let's look at Monero's.

For the first 4500 blocks (like an hour and a bit) the block reward was 17.5 XMR. The average block reward for the 12+ months thereafter is 13.7 XMR.

Do you see the dichotomy?

You are just describing the emission after the public launch...

This is the 5th time I have had to ask this.  You have been saying "instamine" for weeks, now you are saying "premine" and I am just asking a simple question why and what is your evidence..

What is you're evidence that coins were mined before the public launch (pre-mine)

If you don't have evidence as I suspect can you correct your statements please?


Welcome to my ignore list! You are one of two people that has proved so bizarrely retarded that I can no longer stomach reading your puerile vomit without feeling quite ill.

Can't say that i'm surprised that you avoided answering this question FluffyPony.

It's a sad day in Crypto when people like you and Smooth, the core devs of a top 20 coin, can actually start to succeed in changing information around the crypto space for your own benefit.

And I hope CMC does some proper research into the Dash launch and if it won't remove the premine accusation, explain what is the evidence that Dash coins were mined privately & exclusively by the developers before the launch, because evidently you can't provide this evidence, despite claiming it yourself and petitioning CMC to do this on your behalf...

And if CMC extends the ** definition to combine coins mined pre-launch with coins with public launches like your Monero core team is pushing them to do, that is sad too because I think most visitors will want to know the difference between a centralized, private launch than a decentralized public launch where anyone can join in..or what is going on here?

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