Topic: Coinplay CONFISCATING 291mbtc of fair NBA winnings - page 4. (Read 2264 times)

I reviewed this case and just wanted to add my two cents.

For all the watchers, keep in mind that the player can share their screenshots since it's their account, and can easily share only those screenshots that are going in to his/her favor, but an operator can't just post a players activity online - the regulator would go crazy about it. Even getting permission to send internal data to a random forum member would be tricky, especially if they know that they are right, and the Risk&Fraud team would never approve such an action without a court filling.

Additionally, it took me just a few minutes to find out that you're jumping from one sportsbook to another in search for better offers, if someone more serious digs through your history they might find more smoke, and where's smoke there might be fire. I'm not saying that you're at fault, but if you decide to lawyer up, check that you're 100% in the right before committing to anything.

For everyone else in the thread, you've already saw the steps which to take if an operator scams you, I would just add in a few others:

- AskGamblers isn't the only affiliate platform, you can also reach out to any other reputable affiliate that the operator is using and ask to pressure them. Most high level affiliates have direct contact to management.
- You can ping the regulator as well, you can see the operators license number in their footer.
- You can also pressure their payment providers, but you really need to know what you're doing here. E.g. if you've used PayPal (I know you didn't, I'm just giving an example), it means that they have a PayPal payment gateway, which means that they are risking of losing that payment provider if too many scam accusations pop up.

Also, I saw some 1xbit sentences and accusations that they are the same brand, and I haven't checked this personally, but I just wanted to add that the casino industry is smaller than you think, and most operators are using the same platform, game and payment providers.

You may be lucky in a sense that they pay your deposit back and now only your winnings are left to be payed to you. However, when i see one or two other threads against them where they only pay the deposited money, make me think they are here for a big scam while thinking they won't be notice.
Its natural that when you pay the seed money to the gambler, half of his anger is gone as he is satisfied that at least he did not lose his own money and hence many people may not come here to open up scam accusation against them.

But now i think they are exposed and if they don't resolve this (and a few other cases), i am afraid they will lose many gamblers from this platform despite the fact that they run their campaigns for many weeks on this forum.

Sorry, I am not on your side, nor on Coinplay's side. I have no valid data to verify your claim and check internal things from Coinplay too. You need to stop thinking everyone is circling around you.

It should be clear from the post that I made on the campaign thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62084872

Hello all, see this topic (above) for more info. User Royse777 was nice enough to pause/stop the signature campaign until this case is solved. This is another sign that most people are on my side and that Coinplay cannot get away with this behaviour.
I have offered Coinplay (both via that post and via a PM) a solution to pay me out according to average market odds on my bets. This is not how it should have gone but I am willing to accept this as a solution. Let's see how they respond. If they don't respond then the only way to go is a complaint with the Antillephone Licensing and a flag being created on here.

I appreciate your perspective on the matter. However, I still believe that using threats to resolve the issue can be counterproductive.

As for signing up for multiple sportsbooks, I agree that exploring different options is normal for most users. However, it's essential to respect each platform's terms and conditions to maintain a fair and trustworthy gambling environment for all.

Interestingly, you're promoting Sportsbet.io, which has had its share of similar scam accusations in reviews. It's crucial to consider all aspects of a situation before taking a firm stance, as each platform and user experience may differ.

Yes, they ruled in my favour (although technically it's called "unresolved" when one of the 2 parties does not respond anymore) and lowered the rating of Coinplay severely, but now they don't pay up. They have stayed silent for a week already.

Is it possible that a good lawyer can help to solve that case? Or it is casinos privilege take money with impunity while hiding behind ToS ?

This is quite unfortunate especially that they have invested quite a bit in growing their reputation around the forum only to allow this to dent what they have built, sad to be honest...but there is still time to correct this

But looking at what OP has posted this doest really look lile arbitrage, especially that the player on the second time of playing had bet on several games on same league on same day  rules out arbitrage for me...Btw betting on singles is more profitable than making accumulators and this might have been the OPs strategy, nothing out of the extraordinary!

I wonder what is the definition of arbitrage betting according to coinplay 

You did not read any update at all  
No wonder

Its rather unfortunate that this has to happen to you @op, I am also an active gambler, I registered an account on coinplay when they first announced them self one this forum through their signature campaign, I intended playing on this casino, but I change my mind after some member of this community discovered that the coinplay casino had some proven links with 1xbit/1xbet, some even alleged that it is possible that this casino(coinplay) was being managed by officials of 1xbit/1xbet secretly, weeks after, the coinplay team came out to explain that they had no link with 1xbit, that the resemblance of their Casino to 1xbit was due to the fact that they used 1xbit script when building coinplay, I wasn't convinced by this, as I though within myself, "amongst all the script available online, some from reputable casino, why did they choose that of 1xbit?", because of this, I further decided to avoid coinplay..

And from all playing out already, it's like the decision I made to avoid coinplay was a good one after all, I am happy that askgamblers will be handling the case, but this does not guarantee anything, let's wait for askgamblers ruling, and hope they are honest in their ruling too.
In all, Goodluck.

EDIT: I failed to read the later part of the thread, didn't know there's a ruling already 

I've seen that argument used quite a few times by different casinos. I searched a bit, and the general opinion "on Google" seems to be that arbitrage betting is legal, although bookmakers don't like it. In my opinion, it should just be allowed. If it's possible to gain an edge by certain bets, the odds should have been different. Don't blame the player for that.

Your stand in this even pausing the campaign really deserves respect. It was a good move on your part even though I feel sorry for the participants.

Coinplay now claiming it was "arbitrage betting" is in my eyes yet another excuse. He made a total of 7 bets if I counted correct, mostly on smaller odds. How would any site "detect" arbitrage betting with such a small sample size, that's just ridiculous.
If they have enough evidence then they could have shown these to askgamblers, they suggested that themselfes but then no more word.

We have seen this so often now with new casinos, this hit and run freeroll mentality is just sick. I bet within 1 year this site won't be around anymore and ran with some more regular winnings from customers.

@GekkeBelg, the response for you that you requested on the campaign thread.

This is unfotunate. Well, most casino do the same BS. Accused their user for cheating but wont give evidence and proofs, if your account is accused then it is what it is. Because they have the right to not disclosed such thing on their terms. I dont know if casino license providers can do about this kind of terms because it is totally BS.

As an independent user, I must say that I think you have a horrible take.

This isn't blackmail.  Personally I think he should just open the flag, but that's his decision and if he wants to give them some time to consider paying him first, there's nothing wrong with that.  It's not like he's making shit up and threatening them privately.  And the compromise already happened.  He agreed to let a third party review the situation and agreed to honor the decision.  

The decision was made in his favor.  Now the Coinplay is ghosting him.

Also, there's nothing wrong with signing up for however many sportsbooks/casinos you want.  I've likely signed up for closer to 100 gambling sites over the past 15 years, maybe more, always looking to find the best options out there.  This is a ridiculous reason to not trust someone.  

As an independent user, I must say that resorting to blackmail isn't the best approach to resolve this issue. It's important to remember that Coinplay has returned your deposit, even though they might have had the right to withhold it based on their Terms and Conditions. This gesture shows that they tried to address the situation fairly.

Additionally, playing on so many sportsbooks could raise suspicions about your intentions. While I understand that you're frustrated, I suggest considering a more constructive way to express your concerns. Remember, mutual understanding and compromise can go a long way in resolving conflicts. Good luck!

I am not siding with anyone but while it didn't specifically say that askgamblers's decision was in favour of OP, the fact askgamblers said that coinplay didn't provide enough evidence to justify the action they made against the gambler(OP) means that their action was questionable and should not have happened.

They did not ruled in your favour.

So, as you can see (https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/coinplay-casino-closing-account-and-confiscating-winnings-with-no-further-justification) the independent review by Askgamblers has been completed and they judge that you have not provided valid proof for the confiscation of my winnings. So Askgamblers ruled in my favour and your rating has been lowered from 7.3 to 5.8 on there.

Now it's time to pay me out my winnings. I am giving you up until Friday to re-instate my Coinplay account with the winnings on it. I will withdraw them and never come back. No further actions will be taken and you can keep your "information which was too sensitive to share with Askgamblers" to yourself. This topic will be closed and I will post a message that it has been resolved.

But, if you don't pay me then a flag will be created and your topic will have a scam warning all over it. All the efforts and money you put into your active signature campaign will be for nothing. Think wisely about your decision.

@GekkeBelg, I already told you that Coinplay won't change their decision even if you try to solve it through a mediator. I hope you wouldn't hesitate to create a flag against them now. You may use this post as a reference to show that Coinplay is a part of 1xbit casino.

Coinplay team will say the same thing everywhere which they have posted in Askgamblers complaint. 'LoyceV' has already quoted it above.


Coinplay will scam other users in the same way. Then they will highlight some rules of their terms as a proof without providing any valid evidence.