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Topic: Coinplay CONFISCATING 291mbtc of fair NBA winnings - page 3. (Read 2264 times)

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Interesting Information and Nice catch, Ratimov. So now started playing a dirty game in the forum. I won't be surprised if I see those accounts start to shill their project since those are exclusively woken-up accounts trying to defend coin play. I am wondering how dumb their representative or marketing or whoever is trying to do this shit. None of those accounts are on the DT network, and their support or opposition cannot change the flag result.

Often the purpose of such accounts is to show, supposedly, the support of the casino. You see, not everything is so simple, we have supporters and those who do not agree with these accusations. And everything in this spirit. Although, judging by the behavior of this representative, he did not try to somehow save his signature campaign and his reputation on this forum. Just accepted it and left.

This is one of the reasons why account sales are frowned upon by forum members. A few days ago, yahoo created a thread to discuss this matter, and I saw you are the first person to respond there. If I am not wrong, all the accounts you mentioned in this thread are sold now. Regarding their reputation, yeah. They did not try to defend their back. They just accepted and left. But, Did you get that their casino representative is unfamiliar with the forum environment and doesn't know much about the forum system? Who would buy such accounts to oppose the flags? They don't know how it works. I see this as an attempt to save their reputation in a dirty way.

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I won't be surprised that he will soon lose his casino, he will create another one and come here again under a new brand.
I won't say that. No scam casinos lose their platform. They lose their reputation. Some casinos still have bad reputations as they don't care about reputation in this forum, and their platform is up and running.

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But that's not all, go into their BPIP profiles and see more interesting matches:
Interesting Information and Nice catch, Ratimov. So now started playing a dirty game in the forum. I won't be surprised if I see those accounts start to shill their project since those are exclusively woken-up accounts trying to defend coin play. I am wondering how dumb their representative or marketing or whoever is trying to do this shit. None of those accounts are on the DT network, and their support or opposition cannot change the flag result.

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I wonder what this group of clowns, under the control of one user, has to do with this casino and its representative?
At least, I think so. I don't think they will come here to say it's a coincidence.

At first, they had a few scam accusations and forum members didn't care about it because those things happen. Sometimes players cheat as well. They said they would cooperate with 3rd party mediation service but did not accept the result. Now we have to see this dirty job to protect their reputation. Good try, but it did not work.
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#NeverForgetGoba
I knew that purchasing accounts is a thing, but never thought that it would be used this obviously Cheesy
legendary
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Funny coinplay opposed the flag...after agreeing to go to arbitration, losing, and then posting nothing at all ever since....
Supported the flag. They could handle the case better but they had chosen not to, which did not make sense for me. Haven't we seen much nasty cases than this? But a better co-operation from their forum representatives made it easier for everyone to understand the situations at least.

Well done OP. At least you got the deposit back.
My suggestion to you will be, to play in highly established sportsbook like Stake, Sportsbet.io
I don't think you will have such problem with them if you are playing fair.
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Your flag is still inactive as it hasn't received enough support from the forum members. But I'm surprised to see that 5 other forum members have opposed the flag except Coinplay representative. All of them are old registered and member ranked users. I'm wondering why those users are opposing the flag.

Whatever, Coinplay representative has received negative feedback from the forum members with the reference of this accusation. And there is an active flag against them for 'bachezy' accusation. They have to resolve both issues now if they want clear their reputation in the forum. Don't forget to give an update here if you receive response from Coinplay license operator.

All the accounts opposing the flag are just some no name bounty campaign chasers with almost no merit over the years.
Wouldn't surprise me if it's all the same person to be honest.

Maybe the 1 user controlling the accounts made some kind of deal, everything is possible here.

At least the coinplay rep has a lot of red tags, that should be a good warning for anybody the might consider playing there.


Funny coinplay opposed the flag...after agreeing to go to arbitration, losing, and then posting nothing at all ever since....
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Your flag is still inactive as it hasn't received enough support from the forum members. But I'm surprised to see that 5 other forum members have opposed the flag except Coinplay representative. All of them are old registered and member ranked users. I'm wondering why those users are opposing the flag.

Whatever, Coinplay representative has received negative feedback from the forum members with the reference of this accusation. And there is an active flag against them for 'bachezy' accusation. They have to resolve both issues now if they want clear their reputation in the forum. Don't forget to give an update here if you receive response from Coinplay license operator.

All the accounts opposing the flag are just some no name bounty campaign chasers with almost no merit over the years.
Wouldn't surprise me if it's all the same person to be honest.

Maybe the 1 user controlling the accounts made some kind of deal, everything is possible here.

At least the coinplay rep has a lot of red tags, that should be a good warning for anybody the might consider playing there.
legendary
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Your flag is still inactive as it hasn't received enough support from the forum members. But I'm surprised to see that 5 other forum members have opposed the flag except Coinplay representative. All of them are old registered and member ranked users. I'm wondering why those users are opposing the flag.

Whatever, Coinplay representative has received negative feedback from the forum members with the reference of this accusation. And there is an active flag against them for 'bachezy' accusation. They have to resolve both issues now if they want clear their reputation in the forum. Don't forget to give an update here if you receive response from Coinplay license operator.
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I have had enough of it. Coinplay were given multiple chances to solve my case and now they completely ignore me. They are a complete scam company and users must be warned for them. I have no more trust at all that Coinplay will work with me on a solution, so I will now go the official way and have just submitted a complaint to Antillephone. If that also doesn't work out then I will contact a Curacao lawyer on a no-cure no-pay basis.

A flag has been created here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3502111;page=iflags

Users are welcome to vote for or against it.
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But it kinda is. I have been within the industry for a while now and randomly posting players activity online can get you fired, you would need to open up a case with the risk & fraud team or check with management (depending on the size of the business) to go through with it. If you're constantly sharing player activity online you'll get in proper trouble with the regulator, standard laws/gdpr and so on.
OP already gave permission to share his data with AskGamblers:
share it with Askgamblers. I give you permission to give all my sensitive and private information that you may have to them, I don't care.

No I understand that, I was just speaking in general how it's easier for the player to publish their own data, than for the operator to do the same. I'm not on either side, I even gave a couple more points on how to battle this in my post before.

The only thing curacao regulators go crazy about is if a casino doesn't pay their annual dues on time.  And it appears coingaming doesn't actually have a license as I don't see any official seal that can be verified on their page. 

If we were talking about a casino holding a proper license from somewhere like Malta or Isle of Man you'd have a valid point.  But if that were the case then the player wouldn't have to create a thread here to try and solve this kind of issue.


I worked with several of them, and I would say that UKGC is the most strict one, after that MGA, then Isle of Man and Curacao. I had no experience with Estonia though, but I'm looking in to it this quarter. Maybe your experience with the license is different though, and I don't want to spam the thread, so let's agree to disagree.

Regarding their license, they have it in their footer, but no verification seal, so another button for OP to push. You can always report operators directly to the regulator here: https://www.curacao-egaming.com/public-and-players/#section-authenticity

 

legendary
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But it kinda is. I have been within the industry for a while now and randomly posting players activity online can get you fired, you would need to open up a case with the risk & fraud team or check with management (depending on the size of the business) to go through with it. If you're constantly sharing player activity online you'll get in proper trouble with the regulator, standard laws/gdpr and so on.
OP already gave permission to share his data with AskGamblers:
share it with Askgamblers. I give you permission to give all my sensitive and private information that you may have to them, I don't care.
legendary
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That's not true at all.

But it kinda is. I have been within the industry for a while now and randomly posting players activity online can get you fired, you would need to open up a case with the risk & fraud team or check with management (depending on the size of the business) to go through with it. If you're constantly sharing player activity online you'll get in proper trouble with the regulator, standard laws/gdpr and so on.

What you said is not true:

but an operator can't just post a players activity online - the regulator would go crazy about it.

The only thing curacao regulators go crazy about is if a casino doesn't pay their annual dues on time.  And it appears coingaming doesn't actually have a license as I don't see any official seal that can be verified on their page.  

If we were talking about a casino holding a proper license from somewhere like Malta or Isle of Man you'd have a valid point.  But if that were the case then the player wouldn't have to create a thread here to try and solve this kind of issue.
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That's not true at all.

But it kinda is. I have been within the industry for a while now and randomly posting players activity online can get you fired, you would need to open up a case with the risk & fraud team or check with management (depending on the size of the business) to go through with it. If you're constantly sharing player activity online you'll get in proper trouble with the regulator, standard laws/gdpr and so on.

The reason why I said that is not because I wanted to stand on either of the sides, but rather explain you that in most cases the player can post whatever goes in to their favor, while the operator then has to tippy toe around it and see if it's actually worth entering the battle - and keep in mind that there are thousands of these cases per week, people are scamming operators left and right.

I didn't say that it's not possible to share internal data publicly at all, you gave a good example with Stake, but their whole company is aware of bitcointalk.org and have a massive operation here, obviously getting an approval to post internal data within a scam accusation is easier to process. As an example, my risk & fraud team didn't even know that this forum exists, and trying to explain them that I need to publish internal data on a forum would be quite a task.

Do I think that Coinplay could have handled it better? Yeah, definitely.



legendary
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If OP is so innocent then tell him to share his recent history with sportsbook like sportsbet.io, stake or even with highly dominating fiat sportsbook like bet365. I bet he does not play in these sportsbooks.

I also bet he can't run faster than Usain Bolt but that doesn't help Coinplay in any shape or form, I don't understand anything about gambling but I read the whole thread, and both agreed to use a 3rd party "judge" and that 3rd party thought Coinplay is full of shit which automatically makes OP "innocent" in this exact incident, he could be a scammer, a serial killer or anything else, he could have abused or exploited something in Coinplay but that doesn't matter, they failed to provide the evidence to support their decision, they could not defend themselves not sure why are you doing that on their behalf.
 
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This is another sign that most people are on my side
Sorry, I am not on your side, nor on Coinplay's side. I have no valid data to verify your claim and check internal things from Coinplay too. You need to stop thinking everyone is circling around you.

Coinplay agreed to third party arbitration.

Both parties agreed to use ask gamblers.

Askgamblers ruled in favor of the player.

Coinplay has not paid the player.

This can all be easily verified in this thread and the AskGamblers complaint (and you can see this is not the first complaint like this at AG).

You don't need any other data.  The right side is obvious.
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This is another sign that most people are on my side
Sorry, I am not on your side, nor on Coinplay's side. I have no valid data to verify your claim and check internal things from Coinplay too. You need to stop thinking everyone is circling around you.

Whatever happened between you and them is unfortunate (either from your side or their side), as an outsider it's hard for me or infect anyone to conclude the case.
It should be clear from the post that I made on the campaign thread.



Okay I apologize. You didn't say you were on my side and it indeed was an assumption from me. I should not say stuff that are assumptions so I apologize for that.
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Bottom line:  Coinplay agreed to use a third party to arbitrate, askgamblers.  They sent their evidence to the third party, and the third party made a decision in favor of the player and Coinplay still won't pay.  The case is closed. Coinplay scammed the player.

TS is correct about the claim that Coinplay failed to provide any evidence against the player.

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/coinplay-casino-closing-account-and-confiscating-winnings-with-no-further-justification

Above link sends you to this user's case and the below given link sends you to another complaint where another player named JOACHIM102 claimed that he got his account blocked with almost the same piece of shit that Coinplay presented here. And they didn't pay out just $261

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/coinplay-casino-they-took-the-winnings-away

I don't think Coinplay will give any real evidence to prove their accusations and will keep doing this with various other gamblers. Thanks to AskGamblers community for decreasing Coinplay's ranking score on their website.
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Shills seem to be coming out.
Looks like you just wanted to quote me. Sorry it's not a paid comment. A shill does not work free.
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Shills seem to be coming out.

but an operator can't just post a players activity online - the regulator would go crazy about it.
That's not true at all.  (And it seems like they don't even have a valid license)

Other sites make detailed accusations against players all the time.  Example.

Since Coinplay, a relatively new casino that hasn't established any real level of trust from the community, isn't accusing the player of anything specific and refuses to explain themselves other than making vague references to their ambiguous terms I think the most reasonable thing to do is give the player the benefit of doubt.

If it were acceptable for sites to handle situations the way Coinplay is, think about how easy it would be to open a casino and just start scamming players left and right without risking any damage to their reputation.

Bottom line:  Coinplay agreed to use a third party to arbitrate, askgamblers.  They sent their evidence to the third party, and the third party made a decision in favor of the player and Coinplay still won't pay.  The case is closed. Coinplay scammed the player.
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I reviewed this case and just wanted to add my two cents.

For all the watchers, keep in mind that the player can share their screenshots since it's their account, and can easily share only those screenshots that are going in to his/her favor, but an operator can't just post a players activity online - the regulator would go crazy about it. Even getting permission to send internal data to a random forum member would be tricky, especially if they know that they are right, and the Risk&Fraud team would never approve such an action without a court filling.

Additionally, it took me just a few minutes to find out that you're jumping from one sportsbook to another in search for better offers, if someone more serious digs through your history they might find more smoke, and where's smoke there might be fire. I'm not saying that you're at fault, but if you decide to lawyer up, check that you're 100% in the right before committing to anything.

For everyone else in the thread, you've already saw the steps which to take if an operator scams you, I would just add in a few others:

- AskGamblers isn't the only affiliate platform, you can also reach out to any other reputable affiliate that the operator is using and ask to pressure them. Most high level affiliates have direct contact to management.
- You can ping the regulator as well, you can see the operators license number in their footer.
- You can also pressure their payment providers, but you really need to know what you're doing here. E.g. if you've used PayPal (I know you didn't, I'm just giving an example), it means that they have a PayPal payment gateway, which means that they are risking of losing that payment provider if too many scam accusations pop up.

Also, I saw some 1xbit sentences and accusations that they are the same brand, and I haven't checked this personally, but I just wanted to add that the casino industry is smaller than you think, and most operators are using the same platform, game and payment providers.


Finally someone is making sense. The rest including TwitchySeal who seems leading the case, is playing everything in favor of the OP but not knowing what other factors can work behind these type of threads pop up all the time in the scam accusation section are just following whatever they feel comfortable for them.

If OP is so innocent then tell him to share his recent history with sportsbook like sportsbet.io, stake or even with highly dominating fiat sportsbook like bet365. I bet he does not play in these sportsbooks. He knows he can not make much high call against them because they have huge market value.
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This is another sign that most people are on my side
Sorry, I am not on your side, nor on Coinplay's side. I have no valid data to verify your claim and check internal things from Coinplay too. You need to stop thinking everyone is circling around you.

Whatever happened between you and them is unfortunate (either from your side or their side), as an outsider it's hard for me or infect anyone to conclude the case.
It should be clear from the post that I made on the campaign thread.


I really feel sorry for the campaign managers in this cases where they are doing their best in promoting a good project (to the best of their knowledge), preserving the interest of both the parties, the signature campaign participants, and the project team.

If the coinplay has any bad intentions or the OP is doing anything wrong, the campaign manager can't judge who is right and who is wrong because the Manager is NOT a part of the owners, he is only hired as a Campaign Manager.
There is a lot of responsibility on the campaign manager and the good ones can only stop the campaign unless these unresolved Scam Accusations are solved.

To cut it short, the reputed campaign manager running any campaign does not make a project trustworthy and similarly stopping any campaign by them does not make the project untrustworthy. They take steps in the best interest of the bitcointalk community based on the limited information presented to them.
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