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Quote from: Indianacoin on September 15, 2015, 06:54:16 AM

Will there be games with "live dealers" in Future? Because, in live games there will be no chance of feeling cheated and opposing the game as "probably fair" Wink

It's easy to cheat with live dealers

How do casino cheat with live dealers?
I thought it would be more difficult to cheat as you can watch what the dealers are doing?

True !! How can a live dealer cheat ?? Explain Huh

Some live dealer is train to shuffle cards with not the fair way but you will not see it and some other is using a live dealer to land the roulette ball to a speicific area so you will always lose. Live dealer is a very bad choice and not fair at all

Thats make sense. But theres not many sites can provide live dealer.
"Trained live dealer to make cheat is Very Bad image". The casino itself take fee/rack from all players, they do not need to ruin live dealer.

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Quote from: Indianacoin on September 15, 2015, 12:11:53 PM

Quote from: shanem on September 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AM

Quote from: win win win on September 15, 2015, 08:41:37 AM

Quote from: Indianacoin on September 15, 2015, 06:54:16 AM

Will there be games with "live dealers" in Future? Because, in live games there will be no chance of feeling cheated and opposing the game as "probably fair" Wink

It's easy to cheat with live dealers

How do casino cheat with live dealers?
I thought it would be more difficult to cheat as you can watch what the dealers are doing?

True !! How can a live dealer cheat ?? Explain Huh

Maybe he just troll around.
Not many online casino sites which can provide live dealer.
When it more transparent, then its more fair.

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Quote from: Indianacoin on September 15, 2015, 12:11:53 PM

Quote from: shanem on September 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AM

Quote from: win win win on September 15, 2015, 08:41:37 AM

Quote from: Indianacoin on September 15, 2015, 06:54:16 AM

Will there be games with "live dealers" in Future? Because, in live games there will be no chance of feeling cheated and opposing the game as "probably fair" Wink

It's easy to cheat with live dealers

How do casino cheat with live dealers?
I thought it would be more difficult to cheat as you can watch what the dealers are doing?

True !! How can a live dealer cheat ?? Explain Huh

Some live dealer is train to shuffle cards with not the fair way but you will not see it and some other is using a live dealer to land the roulette ball to a speicific area so you will always lose. Live dealer is a very bad choice and not fair at all

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Quote from: shanem on September 15, 2015, 09:07:23 AM

Quote from: win win win on September 15, 2015, 08:41:37 AM

Quote from: Indianacoin on September 15, 2015, 06:54:16 AM

Will there be games with "live dealers" in Future? Because, in live games there will be no chance of feeling cheated and opposing the game as "probably fair" Wink

It's easy to cheat with live dealers

How do casino cheat with live dealers?
I thought it would be more difficult to cheat as you can watch what the dealers are doing?

True !! How can a live dealer cheat ?? Explain Huh

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Quote from: win win win on September 15, 2015, 08:41:37 AM

Quote from: Indianacoin on September 15, 2015, 06:54:16 AM

Will there be games with "live dealers" in Future? Because, in live games there will be no chance of feeling cheated and opposing the game as "probably fair" Wink

It's easy to cheat with live dealers

How do casino cheat with live dealers?
I thought it would be more difficult to cheat as you can watch what the dealers are doing?

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Quote from: Indianacoin on September 15, 2015, 06:54:16 AM

Will there be games with "live dealers" in Future? Because, in live games there will be no chance of feeling cheated and opposing the game as "probably fair" Wink

It's easy to cheat with live dealers, I assume... That human error element also... or just the human element.

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Will there be games with "live dealers" in Future? Because, in live games there will be no chance of feeling cheated and opposing the game as "probably fair" Wink

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Quote from: joksim299 on August 24, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

I have been playing at CoinRoyale since 2014 and lost many games at low stakes at the beginning and I was thinking they are cheating even with implementation of provably fair, but they reassured me and show me everything I asked for (hand data, guided me trough provably fair system, they even learned me how to play better), since then I had not any problems with them, when I was losing they credited me comps they even sent comp to my personal address. For every bug submitted I received a bug bounty. Received big comp for testing their new games. I got an answer on every email I sent to them.

If game freeze and you refresh page cards will be on first sit and client seed for new hand will be randomized.

CoinRoyale is the best!

Well apparently they no longer offer comps because now they expect you to earn the comps by giving you playthrough codes, which by definition, is not a comp. I think it's funny that Victor thinks I need to now "earn" my comp after I lose 9 Bitcoin in a span of about 45 min. So I guess now I'll ask for a comp and I'll get a code I can enter that chips me off .01 at a time with a super low rollover (keep in mind that rollover number is not accurate unless you just play slots). I used to really like coinroyale but recently I'm not winning (the amount of 21 to 20 losses, really has me scratching my head) and on top of that they don't even want to comp me after I give them around 2200 USD unless I deposit more and HOPE I earn my "comp" before I lose my main balance. Really hope coinroyale starts to go back to where they were because this new concept isn't going to have me coming back

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Quote from: StatsMan on August 24, 2015, 04:44:24 PM

We want to make a statement about what we have posted recently. We started this by looking into the stats of the hands dealt and noticed a few flaws...

No, you started by losing a bunch of coin and deciding you must of been cheated.

Then you decided to look at the stats and find a way to prove what you already thought was true.

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Quote from: joksim299 on August 24, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

I have been playing at CoinRoyale since 2014 and lost many games at low stakes at the beginning and I was thinking they are cheating even with implementation of provably fair, but they reassured me and show me everything I asked for (hand data, guided me trough provably fair system, they even learned me how to play better), since then I had not any problems with them, when I was losing they credited me comps they even sent comp to my personal address. For every bug submitted I received a bug bounty. Received big comp for testing their new games. I got an answer on every email I sent to them.

If game freeze and you refresh page cards will be on first sit and client seed for new hand will be randomized.

CoinRoyale is the best!

Thank you! Best player ever

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Quote from: StatsMan on August 24, 2015, 04:44:24 PM

We want to make a statement about what we have posted recently. We started this by looking into the stats of the hands dealt and noticed a few flaws. Some of our post prior to this are accusatory and wrong. For that we apologize, CoinRoyale has replied to our emails and righted possible wrongs.

We retract any accusations and want to continue to work with them on the flaws of the website.

We have voluntarily deleted a few of our posts that could be detrimental to their business.

Appreciate that. And yes, I've passed the "screen frozen" bug you mentioned to our technical team. Once we figure out how to reproduce it, it will be our first priority to fix it.

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Quote from: joksim299 on August 24, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

I have been playing at CoinRoyale since 2014 and lost many games at low stakes at the beginning and I was thinking they are cheating even with implementation of provably fair, but they reassured me and show me everything I asked for (hand data, guided me trough provably fair system, they even learned me how to play better), since then I had not any problems with them, when I was losing they credited me comps they even sent comp to my personal address. For every bug submitted I received a bug bounty. Received big comp for testing their new games. I got an answer on every email I sent to them.

If game freeze and you refresh page cards will be on first sit and client seed for new hand will be randomized.

CoinRoyale is the best!

I don't doubt it, I have never seen any of those things but I am sure they provide them as most casinos do. Maybe we are just small time - not exactly sure but I would estimate we have deposited 50 bitcoin in the last few weeks.

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I have been playing at CoinRoyale since 2014 and lost many games at low stakes at the beginning and I was thinking they are cheating even with implementation of provably fair, but they reassured me and show me everything I asked for (hand data, guided me trough provably fair system, they even learned me how to play better), since then I had not any problems with them, when I was losing they credited me comps they even sent comp to my personal address. For every bug submitted I received a bug bounty. Received big comp for testing their new games. I got an answer on every email I sent to them.

If game freeze and you refresh page cards will be on first sit and client seed for new hand will be randomized.

CoinRoyale is the best!

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Quote from: casinobitco on August 24, 2015, 05:08:22 PM

Sir - Provably Fair is 100% fair if you change the client seed, which you can do on Bitzino, CoinRoyale, BitcoinRush, and any other legit Bitcoin Casino out there.

Quote from: StatsMan on August 24, 2015, 04:06:17 PM

I understand how the "Provably Fair" system works. It is not full proof by any means. Please refer to the link I posted earlier, it is easier to understand from Trevor. I have quoted a portion of the Trevor/Libertaad conversation below'

"This is why we claim that the browser-based Provably Fair implementation is compromised. In fact, I believe you have alluded to that in your closing argument. If Provably Fair allows a "handful" (or more) of savvy users to ensure the house isn't cheating, and I can show that the remaining majority of users are still vulnerable to exploitation, then the system cannot be reasonably claimed as "fair" and, at the very least, cannot be "provable"."

Most gambling websites you can change it, but its annoying changing it on every bet and most people just leave it as is for the entire session. There should be an "auto new client seed" option.

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Sir - Provably Fair is 100% fair if you change the client seed, which you can do on Bitzino, CoinRoyale, BitcoinRush, and any other legit Bitcoin Casino out there.

Quote from: StatsMan on August 24, 2015, 04:06:17 PM

I understand how the "Provably Fair" system works. It is not full proof by any means. Please refer to the link I posted earlier, it is easier to understand from Trevor. I have quoted a portion of the Trevor/Libertaad conversation below'

"This is why we claim that the browser-based Provably Fair implementation is compromised. In fact, I believe you have alluded to that in your closing argument. If Provably Fair allows a "handful" (or more) of savvy users to ensure the house isn't cheating, and I can show that the remaining majority of users are still vulnerable to exploitation, then the system cannot be reasonably claimed as "fair" and, at the very least, cannot be "provable"."

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We want to make a statement about what we have posted recently. We started this by looking into the stats of the hands dealt and noticed a few flaws. Some of our post prior to this are accusatory and wrong. For that we apologize, CoinRoyale has replied to our emails and righted possible wrongs.

We retract any accusations and want to continue to work with them on the flaws of the website.

We have voluntarily deleted a few of our posts that could be detrimental to their business.

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In response to the loading times, that is a possibility. We actually have not looked into it much, but could it also be that the Java RNG you use is predictable based on the time delay? I recall some guys exploiting something similar back 10 years ago but I could be mistaken. Regardless, I will be happy to film it and send it to you.

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Quote from: StatsMan on August 24, 2015, 04:06:17 PM

I understand how the "Provably Fair" system works. It is not full proof by any means. Please refer to the link I posted earlier, it is easier to understand from Trevor. I have quoted a portion of the Trevor/Libertaad conversation below'

"This is why we claim that the browser-based Provably Fair implementation is compromised. In fact, I believe you have alluded to that in your closing argument. If Provably Fair allows a "handful" (or more) of savvy users to ensure the house isn't cheating, and I can show that the remaining majority of users are still vulnerable to exploitation, then the system cannot be reasonably claimed as "fair" and, at the very least, cannot be "provable"."

Of course provably fair isn't PERFECT, but does it have to be? All it has to do is show within a reasonable shadow of a doubt that the casino is being fair and I think it does that. Isn't that all that matters?

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I understand how the "Provably Fair" system works. It is not full proof by any means. Please refer to the link I posted earlier, it is easier to understand from Trevor. I have quoted a portion of the Trevor/Libertaad conversation below'

"This is why we claim that the browser-based Provably Fair implementation is compromised. In fact, I believe you have alluded to that in your closing argument. If Provably Fair allows a "handful" (or more) of savvy users to ensure the house isn't cheating, and I can show that the remaining majority of users are still vulnerable to exploitation, then the system cannot be reasonably claimed as "fair" and, at the very least, cannot be "provable"."

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