Topic: COINROYALE.COM • Provably Fair • 1 BTC Video Poker Tourney • 10% Casino Rebate - page 126. (Read 203945 times)

He actually "think" that he found a bug ( atleast this is my impression is ) but it seems he is having more losses rather than win which is why he is accusing things to be not fair here ( again this is my impression judging from the whole conversation ) which means that either there isnt any "bug" at all in the firsthand or that he is having a very bad run. Eitherway this whole conversation wont be happening now if he is winning the game


Some dice site even has 20 BTC max payout and some other site advertized over 60k BTC jackpot without providing any proof of cold storage as well. If CoinRoyale is a new site around here than I would agree with you it is better for them to show proof of their cold storage but so far there they have seem to be able to maintain their reputation here

P.S : do note that my opinion isnt mean to take their sides as Im merely neutral in this case and I am merely stating my opinion

They have a BTC2 max bet per box on BJ a player can win 100's of BTC's in a very short time.

This StatsMan guy is making me lol. You found a bug, huh? While that is possible I find it highly improbable. I'll be watching this closely. I love this site!

No problem 


I did and literally I dont mind them for not showing it as they have proven themselves so far (yet this doesnt mean anything for future reputation though ) . Plus that it is not like that they are giving thousands of BTC jackpots unlike the other site


Tempting but I will have to decline this


You can use that for yourself as well though. Exploiting things is not really my way though I would love to get compensation for providing some bug .


There is and you can get more than 10BTC if there is literally a bug like you have quoted . Simply provide the proof to Coinroyale and they will compensate you though  .


Depends, you cant expect to win most of them in a very short run even with the edge in your favour. Variance is there to ruin it though.


Am I reading this correctly? Of course you know when the dealer is going to hit. The house is using the rules of soft17 which means that unless dealer has 17 or higher then it will keep on hitting

It seems to me that victorhing has proven that the games are fair enough to the point that you should either provide evidence that suggests otherwise - or agree that they are indeed fair.  Unfortunately the most common outcome in these scenarios is the accusing party chooses to do neither.

The example I quoted in the previous reply was almost exactly (except I changed the number to A,B,C,D) what we've been told in the email. We take all the reported bugs seriously. The reasons we initially dismissed it are:

1) We've received many similar emails who claimed they saw a "pattern" in card dealing. And the one your friend sent is exactly that.

2) We know that no such pattern exists, all cards are randomly shuffled and the shuffling system is exactly the same for blackjack, baccarat, or video poker. Anyone can prove our fairness with our provably fair system, without reviewing our code.

3) The issue did not gain much of our attention because we didn't lose any bitcoins from your friend who, as you said, been trying to exploit it. The reason behind that, as you mentioned, is there's a flaw in our card system that favors the dealer. And as I mentioned in 2), we know that our card shuffling system is fair and random. Hence the dismissal.

However, with your continuous insistence that there is a bug, I've requested more information from your friend with a promise of bug bounty. And if there's such a bug, rest assured you'll be generously rewarded.

For your card shuffling question, I've passed them to our tech team and they will answer you shortly.

And as we speak, one of our technical team is working on processing the raw data (to show the final state of the game) to aid your statistical analysis.

*In a fair game, you mean

I would be careful with using 100% claims as nothing is ever 100%.

It means something, a lot infact. It's a shame that it's not a standardized requirement. Gamblers rarely care 

Do you support that decision? Do you play at this casino?

Really appreciate you answering in this thread (and your previous reply on clarifying provably fair). 

Sorry I just saw this. Our team (including myself) are busy working on something big and couldn't spend as much time on the forum as we like.

Anyway, we did receive your friend's request for the games and he should have it by tomorrow. We're always willing to send players their historical games and even encourage them to post it on the forum so everyone can see it.

Regarding the reported bug, I passed it to our team and they dismissed it as purely coincidental (confirmation bias). Basically this is what's been reported:

1) Dealer has card A and card B
2) Player has card C and card D
3) The next card for dealer has to be card E!

Our cards are randomly shuffle (and have a similar shuffling system for all card games like Baccarat, Video Poker) with the outcome directly control by the player with the player seed he's able to enter. Everything can be easily proven after the game with all the information we've provided: https://coinroyale.com/provablyfair
We made the page easy to understand and more than happy to walk you through step by step to verify the result and explain how it works (it's a beautiful system).

If your friend actually has an "edge" than it means that your friend are bound to win in the long run. Having the edge in your favor doesnt mean that you will keep on winning or that you will not lose because of the dealer's "luck as few bad hands are unnavoidable situation though I have never seen anything about bug in BlackJack that gives player an edge


Message this guy directly for the bug, he is the admin

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/victorhing-151862


They have replied to your request already, they will not be showing proof of their cold storage

Proof of cold storage does not mean anything IMHO, even a site which provide it still has the chance to not pay...

Do you worry that they will not pay if you win big?

It's shocking that they haven't replied to this or my request for proof of cold storage bankroll.

If you can give me stats of *total loss* and *bet size* I can approximate if its within the realms of normal variance in seconds.

I might be able to do this in seconds, if you are interested in help hit me up. Do you know his edge with the bug?

I'll follow your progress anyway, Interesting to see how many standard deviations he is losing by.

If there is a bug he will get bug bounty , everybody who reported a valid bug received it.

I also hope it  gets cleared and your friend receives some compensation for finding the bug. Keep us informed. 

The dealer's seed is provided after the hand is played to ensure fairness. Player would know the outcome of the game if the seed is provided before the game therefore the house hash the initial deck in form of SHA-256 (which is the combination of the server seed as well as the initial deck) Before you start the game, you are shown the hash for the next game and you are free to input your own seed , simply copy the SHA hash and verify it when you think something is fishy ( there are verifier on the site )


Or simply use that if you dont want to trust the verifier on the site ( which should generate the same result ). The code above is taken from their provably fair pages btw


Correct, that is why you are shown the hashed seed before you start the game to ensure fairness that the house wont be able cheat you unknowingly. The good thing about using this hashed seed is that if the house attempted to change it, the player will know exactly that it has been change . Therefore if you want to verify this, simply copy the hashed seed before the start of the game and double check it after the card is dealt

You have to use WELCOMEBTC bonus code before you make deposit.


Bonus is released in 0.01BTC increments

I didnt get any welcome bonus,  they're kdding

You can win @CoinRoyale blackjack but do not rely on intuition use strategy and charts avaliable online


They use their own Bitcoin server.