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Topic: CoinWallet.eu Stress Test Cancelled + Bitcoin Giveaway - page 12. (Read 98836 times)

legendary
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get out of that silly spam game. This is their plan to spam the bitcoin network. To give away hundreds of private address and to stress test the network from people that going to claim that bitcoin. They are scammers!!
legendary
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Has anyone tried dust-b-gone on these addresses?
legendary
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I still have to go back and read a lot of this thread, but I read about it on Qntra: http://qntra.net/2015/09/coinwallet-turns-stress-test-into-dust-givaway/

Is this actually something legit or just penny shavings as was pointed out in the article? Until now I have had a neutral stance on coinwallet.eu

Those addresses are filled with 0.00001 BTC transactions. Only bitcoin core can handle loading the private keys, trying to get coins out needs to use coin control. Even with that, the size of transactions is unbearable so for most addresses it's not worth it to get big chunks of coins out because it would require a huge fee due to the size of the transaction.


Thanks for the tl;dr mate. Appears this is just another publicity stunt.

Having been on these forums during the instawallet and inputs.io fiascos I am already pretty convinced that web wallets are 99% bunk anyway, and usually the providers don't have the userbase's best interests at heart.
hero member
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I still have to go back and read a lot of this thread, but I read about it on Qntra: http://qntra.net/2015/09/coinwallet-turns-stress-test-into-dust-givaway/

Is this actually something legit or just penny shavings as was pointed out in the article? Until now I have had a neutral stance on coinwallet.eu

Those addresses are filled with 0.00001 BTC transactions. Only bitcoin core can handle loading the private keys, trying to get coins out needs to use coin control. Even with that, the size of transactions is unbearable so for most addresses it's not worth it to get big chunks of coins out because it would require a huge fee due to the size of the transaction.
newbie
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Perhaps someone can clue me into the controversy.

After reading all 18 pages (phew), what I have concluded so far is:

1) CoinWallet.eu is attempting to avoid legal ramifications of the 'stress test' by allowing users to claim btc from priv keys with thousands of unspent addresses
2) People are up in arms over this as its possibly limiting the function of the network
3) No proof has been provided that it actually IS limiting the network
4) Proof has been provided by several users that normal transactions are going through fine without delayed confirmations
5) Proof has been provided by several users that the 'spam' coinwallet.eu tx's are getting backlogged and creating a large UTXO (approx 100-160mb at time of writing)
6) This has not effected nodes ....yet

I see others have mentioned bc.i blocking the spam outputs, but....can anyone confirm that the other block explorers are more accurate outside of blocking these spam tx's ? If bc.i is doing a good job of filtering *just* the spam tx's, then their current active count of 9k unconfirmed tx's seems right in line with the normal transactional volume.

I am running a raspberry pi 2 which is currently at 30%cpu 20% mem avg reported by top. This is definitely a higher load than normal, but surprisingly this little buddy is handling it just fine.

I understand actions that could potentially put unbearable load on the network would be seen as negative, but frankly if the network cannot handle one single companies attack vector, then how could we possibly fight off a determined actor who wishes nothing but negative harm to the network? And more importantly, how can we progress forward to harden the network without staging exactly these types of 'attacks' so that we can test against them, determine the health and robustness of the network, and use that data to make cohesive decisions on how to move forward in anticipation of future 'attacks' ?

legendary
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I still have to go back and read a lot of this thread, but I read about it on Qntra: http://qntra.net/2015/09/coinwallet-turns-stress-test-into-dust-givaway/

Is this actually something legit or just penny shavings as was pointed out in the article? Until now I have had a neutral stance on coinwallet.eu
full member
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On blockchain.info, there doesn't seem to be any problems regarding the number of unconfirmed transactions.

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

Seems pretty normal to me.

That is because bc.i has been blocking transactions with low tx fees or with lots of outputs.

Meanwhile, here is what you can see on some other block explorers and monitors:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/: 65k unconfirmed transactions, 112 MB mempool
https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/:  89k unconfirmed transactions, 104 MB mempool
https://bitcoinfees.github.io/: 124 MB mempool size
http://statoshi.info/dashboard/db/transactions/: 137k unconfirmed transactions
http://munin.bitcoin-fr.io/bitcoin-fr.io/n.bitcoin-fr.io/index.html: 134k unconfirmed transactions, 116 MB mempool

Ah. Didn't know about that.

But why are there different stats for each site?
hero member
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On blockchain.info, there doesn't seem to be any problems regarding the number of unconfirmed transactions.

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

Seems pretty normal to me.

That is because bc.i has been blocking transactions with low tx fees or with lots of outputs.

Meanwhile, here is what you can see on some other block explorers and monitors:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/: 65k unconfirmed transactions, 112 MB mempool
https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/:  89k unconfirmed transactions, 104 MB mempool
https://bitcoinfees.github.io/: 124 MB mempool size
http://statoshi.info/dashboard/db/transactions/: 137k unconfirmed transactions
http://munin.bitcoin-fr.io/bitcoin-fr.io/n.bitcoin-fr.io/index.html: 134k unconfirmed transactions, 116 MB mempool

How are the stats different in each website?
hero member
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On blockchain.info, there doesn't seem to be any problems regarding the number of unconfirmed transactions.

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

Seems pretty normal to me.

That is because bc.i has been blocking transactions with low tx fees or with lots of outputs.

Meanwhile, here is what you can see on some other block explorers and monitors:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/: 65k unconfirmed transactions, 112 MB mempool
https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/:  89k unconfirmed transactions, 104 MB mempool
https://bitcoinfees.github.io/: 124 MB mempool size
http://statoshi.info/dashboard/db/transactions/: 137k unconfirmed transactions
http://munin.bitcoin-fr.io/bitcoin-fr.io/n.bitcoin-fr.io/index.html: 134k unconfirmed transactions, 116 MB mempool

nice list!
hero member
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Exhausted
On blockchain.info, there doesn't seem to be any problems regarding the number of unconfirmed transactions.

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

Seems pretty normal to me.

That is because bc.i has been blocking transactions with low tx fees or with lots of outputs.

Meanwhile, here is what you can see on some other block explorers and monitors:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/: 65k unconfirmed transactions, 112 MB mempool
https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/:  89k unconfirmed transactions, 104 MB mempool
https://bitcoinfees.github.io/: 124 MB mempool size
http://statoshi.info/dashboard/db/transactions/: 137k unconfirmed transactions
http://munin.bitcoin-fr.io/bitcoin-fr.io/n.bitcoin-fr.io/index.html: 134k unconfirmed transactions, 116 MB mempool
legendary
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They do not exist and violate in several jurisdictions the Anti-Money-Laundering (AML)-regulations as well as anti-terrorism-laws. So most probably, it will not be any "police" who will try to nail them down, but financial market authorities.

Anti terrorism?  Hmmm.  I dont think any one outside bitcoin really gives a shit about this to be honest.

Well. the Canadian regulators have pretty strict rulings for money processors....
hero member
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Have anyone been able to send any coins from blockchain.info to another address from the promotion? I've noticed the current balance and the available balance is totally off. It like the current balance is just for showroom...
full member
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On blockchain.info, there doesn't seem to be any problems regarding the number of unconfirmed transactions.

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

Seems pretty normal to me.
hero member
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista

They do not exist and violate in several jurisdictions the Anti-Money-Laundering (AML)-regulations as well as anti-terrorism-laws. So most probably, it will not be any "police" who will try to nail them down, but financial market authorities.

Anti terrorism?  Hmmm.  I dont think any one outside bitcoin really gives a shit about this to be honest.
legendary
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Just because I'm curious: How many are already panicing because their wallet software doesn't work anymore?  Grin
hero member
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista

I'll sit the rest of this mess out. I think Coinwallet will still face charges, because they can't credibly claim they have no responsibility for what is happening. It's like dumping bushel baskets of coins out on a busy road and trying to claim that the resulting carnage and mayhem is not their fault, just the fault of all the pedestrians and drivers involved.

Its nothing like that. I'm afraid the mess was your own doing. Coinwallet merely published the data - the decision to import those keys was entirely your own. It takes a reasonably sound technical knowledge to do so successfully, so you cant plead ignorance.

sr. member
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I can't se any problems in transfering bitcoins, just transfered 2BTC without delay and with 0 fee.

Ya its funny all the people screaming the sky is falling.  News flash if you are transferring more then 0.001 BTC and your transaction isn't made of a hundred 0.00001 BTC inputs then you will never even notice this "stress test".  Just go have a look on blockchain.info all normal transactions are processing fine.

"The number of backlogged transactions is currently above 90,000 and climbing, and the size of the “memory pool,” the database that stores them, is shooting past 150MB. It usually sits below 10. On the Bitcointalk forum, where much of today’s action is going down, users are reporting that their Bitcoin clients are crashing when they try to collect the coins."

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/great-job-everyone-bitcoiners-are-ddosing-bitcoin

LOL all you prove is you can read an article.  I repeat normal transactions are going through fine.  The mem pool is bigger then normal and may crash some nodes but most likely unless it gets to GB will have little to no effect.  

Of course bitcoin clients are crashing when they try to collect the coins and import a private key that is linked to thousands of dust transactions! LOL

The actually effect on people trying to use the bitcoin network as normal is close to zero.  Just watch transactions coming out.  I will pick one at random that I consider a "normal" bitcoin transaction and watch it will be confirmed in a short time.  https://blockchain.info/tx/0da91e9a02301c7e4783d04ceba11f254f17d4fc1c8cd253dc5c499d18da71e7
https://blockchain.info/tx/0da91e9a02301c7e4783d04ceba11f254f17d4fc1c8cd253dc5c499d18da71e7

That transaction took 16 min to confirm.  It was included in the very next block.  Normal transactions are having 0 trouble getting thru.
hero member
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lol the optimal fee indication in https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC went from 0.0004 to 0.00008557 BTC in a couple of hours
hero member
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista

or.. it will only make it more resilient to spam tx within some next patch Wink

+no ph0rk needed.

   

 Grin Grin Cool
legendary
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And don't import the private keys into electrum.  The servers are run by volunteers.  You don't want to spam their servers by asking them for gigabytes of transaction data.  At least send them a bitcoin to their donation address for the stress that you put on their server.

Groan. Now you tell us. :-p

Thanks, though, I appreciate the info. Is there a way to "undo" importing into an electrum wallet once it has begun?

Not sure if there is a way.  Probably the easiest way is to delete the wallet (back it up first!) and then restore the wallet from the seed.  This should restore all but the imported private keys.  You may lose some settings or labels, though. Editing the wallet by hand (it is a text file) may also work, but it is dangerous...

Thanks, after I asked it occurred to me that I could dig up my wallet backup. I'll give that a try first.

This worked! Back to square one after only 5-6 hours syncing. :-) 

I'll sit the rest of this mess out. I think Coinwallet will still face charges, because they can't credibly claim they have no responsibility for what is happening. It's like dumping bushel baskets of coins out on a busy road and trying to claim that the resulting carnage and mayhem is not their fault, just the fault of all the pedestrians and drivers involved.

Do they even exist or is all of this just a well planned thing? Apparently they don't offer any service, no wallet, exchange, nothing. Even their OP's are hidden apparently. So even if the law enforcement would want to do something, I am sure they would just run into the wall.

This is some real mess I have to admit guys and all of this is ironic as hell. Now we have our own users clogging the network completely because of their own greed.

Bitcoin devs surely have a lot of work to do, all of this needs to be fixed if you are asking me.

They do not exist and violate in several jurisdictions the Anti-Money-Laundering (AML)-regulations as well as anti-terrorism-laws. So most probably, it will not be any "police" who will try to nail them down, but financial market authorities.
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