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Quote from: Pumared on November 19, 2024, 06:46:05 AM

I really hope that after this failure with Dorival they start thinking about a really good foreign coach again. Because there's no point in hiring just anyone just because he's a foreigner. They have a lot of money, they can fight for a top coach.

I'll post some quick gossip, but I don't want to go off-topic

Ronaldo (yes, the good old Ronaldo) may run for the presidency of the CBF and one of his proposals would be to make it possible to hire Guardiola for the Brazilian national team
Mark this post to charge me later hehehe

If there's one person who has access to practically any figure in world soccer, it's Ronaldo, and I confess I was super curious about this news

I'll add something here, if Dorival JR lose the game today, maybe he'll be in trouble for next year, this is my guess

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 18, 2024, 09:56:59 PM

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 16, 2024, 09:23:05 PM

Quote from: Pumared on November 15, 2024, 03:08:24 PM

As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.

Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.

The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...

Haha this is the umpteenth time saying about the poor performance done by the CBF in handling Brazil, they even can't see the potential that needs to be developed by utilizing great European coach to be able to bring Brazil to have more modern quality of play and be able to compete in structured way in utilizing the many great players they have.
And this is the first time for Dorival Junior to handle the Brazil national team, he failed and he worked very badly so far but what is happening now still shows the CBF trust and belief in Dorival Junior abilities, they really throw away and waste the players who should have been able to shine for the International event.

I really hope that after this failure with Dorival they start thinking about a really good foreign coach again. Because there's no point in hiring just anyone just because he's a foreigner. They have a lot of money, they can fight for a top coach.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 17, 2024, 12:53:43 PM

Quote from: Hirose UK on November 16, 2024, 09:23:05 PM

Quote from: Pumared on November 15, 2024, 03:08:24 PM

As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.

Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.

The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...

Haha this is the umpteenth time saying about the poor performance done by the CBF in handling Brazil, they even can't see the potential that needs to be developed by utilizing great European coach to be able to bring Brazil to have more modern quality of play and be able to compete in structured way in utilizing the many great players they have.
And this is the first time for Dorival Junior to handle the Brazil national team, he failed and he worked very badly so far but what is happening now still shows the CBF trust and belief in Dorival Junior abilities, they really throw away and waste the players who should have been able to shine for the International event.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 18, 2024, 11:48:20 AM

Quote from: temple on November 18, 2024, 08:24:09 AM

I wouldn't count 2010 as a disaster because they lost against a very strong team from the Netherlands. It was the prime time for Robben and Snijder and some amazing other players. I think it is ok to lose at a World Cup or Copa America, but it depends on how they lost and why they lost. My opinion is that since 2014 they became weaker and weaker from year to year and had to accept some mind blowing defeats along the way.

Yes but talking about a new generation when they still have players like Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior almost sounds a bit weird, but I know what you mean. Brazil was always known for their down to earth high quality football and I think Neymar kind of spoiled that with his Hollywood attitude. It is all about bling bling and the hair cut and what not, but they are not going back to the roots, which were incredibly strong for Brazil.

You're right...it was right after the 2010 World Cup

I still think Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo are players in development. Vinicius urgently needs to change his conduct on the field to be more successful. What he does is of the lowest quality. Making fun of opponents because he has more money or plays for a better team is an attitude of immense poverty of spirit.

Neymar.... He has been the most talented player in Brazil in recent years. However, he decided to trade his life as an athlete to become a celebrity. It is a waste in sporting terms... butfinancially he has done very well.

I couldn't agree more here about Vinicius Junior and the worst about it is that Vinicius Junior is the guy who complains the most about racism. Don't get me wrong here, racism sucks and is absolutely shitty in every respect, but if I am this vulnerable, sensitive guy, why would I make fun of my opponents for all kinds of reasons? I noticed that too and immediately thought about his behavior when there is racism going on. He should either ignore it or complain about it, but then show integrity and not attack or make fun of other players for childish reasons (or any other reason for that matter).

Oh lord yes, Neymar wasted it. I liked him when he was in his early 20s because he was a sensational player and he wasn't yet diving so much and acting as if he got his leg broken because of a foul. But then he practically turned into this Hollywood diva that I always disrespect. Ronaldo has had these habits, too. Diving and shit like that. But at least he scored like literally nobody else and proved everyone wrong over and over again, which at the end of the day is what counts. Neymar, on the contrary, was not the decisive player. He wasn't helping the team all too often.

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Quote from: temple on November 18, 2024, 08:24:09 AM

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Quote from: temple on November 17, 2024, 01:48:22 PM

Yes, it's been many years, more precisely after the 2006 World Cup, in the change of generations, the biggest problem was in this transition of generations, the next generation (2010, 2014 World Cup) didn't achieve absolutely anything, and the current generation hasn't either... so we're talking about almost 20 years of problems to get a national team right... something isn't right and I don't see anything good in the short or medium term... Brazil will need a new generation to become great again and have relevance on the world stage, otherwise there will only be disappointments.

I wouldn't count 2010 as a disaster because they lost against a very strong team from the Netherlands. It was the prime time for Robben and Snijder and some amazing other players. I think it is ok to lose at a World Cup or Copa America, but it depends on how they lost and why they lost. My opinion is that since 2014 they became weaker and weaker from year to year and had to accept some mind blowing defeats along the way.

Yes but talking about a new generation when they still have players like Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior almost sounds a bit weird, but I know what you mean. Brazil was always known for their down to earth high quality football and I think Neymar kind of spoiled that with his Hollywood attitude. It is all about bling bling and the hair cut and what not, but they are not going back to the roots, which were incredibly strong for Brazil.

You're right...it was right after the 2010 World Cup

I still think Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo are players in development. Vinicius urgently needs to change his conduct on the field to be more successful. What he does is of the lowest quality. Making fun of opponents because he has more money or plays for a better team is an attitude of immense poverty of spirit.

Neymar.... He has been the most talented player in Brazil in recent years. However, he decided to trade his life as an athlete to become a celebrity. It is a waste in sporting terms... butfinancially he has done very well.

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Quote from: temple on November 18, 2024, 08:24:09 AM

Yes but talking about a new generation when they still have players like Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior almost sounds a bit weird, but I know what you mean. Brazil was always known for their down to earth high quality football and I think Neymar kind of spoiled that with his Hollywood attitude. It is all about bling bling and the hair cut and what not, but they are not going back to the roots, which were incredibly strong for Brazil.

Maybe the situation in Brazil this time would be different if Neymar was disciplined enough in his healthy life, not with his party habits. His being on the team would be better, but the injury that made him have to rest for quite a long time made the Brazilian national team lose his figure. Now it is the task for Vinicius and Rodrygo to bring this team with better achievements. Many fans are disappointed with Brazil's performance so far. But everything can still be improved, they are not too late.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 17, 2024, 03:44:41 PM

Quote from: temple on November 17, 2024, 01:48:22 PM

Yes, it's been many years, more precisely after the 2006 World Cup, in the change of generations, the biggest problem was in this transition of generations, the next generation (2010, 2014 World Cup) didn't achieve absolutely anything, and the current generation hasn't either... so we're talking about almost 20 years of problems to get a national team right... something isn't right and I don't see anything good in the short or medium term... Brazil will need a new generation to become great again and have relevance on the world stage, otherwise there will only be disappointments.

I wouldn't count 2010 as a disaster because they lost against a very strong team from the Netherlands. It was the prime time for Robben and Snijder and some amazing other players. I think it is ok to lose at a World Cup or Copa America, but it depends on how they lost and why they lost. My opinion is that since 2014 they became weaker and weaker from year to year and had to accept some mind blowing defeats along the way.

Yes but talking about a new generation when they still have players like Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior almost sounds a bit weird, but I know what you mean. Brazil was always known for their down to earth high quality football and I think Neymar kind of spoiled that with his Hollywood attitude. It is all about bling bling and the hair cut and what not, but they are not going back to the roots, which were incredibly strong for Brazil.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 16, 2024, 09:23:05 PM

Quote from: Pumared on November 15, 2024, 03:08:24 PM

As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.

Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.

The problem with comparing them to Argentina is that years ago they gave the country a title. It's fair that they're in a bad phase now, they've worked hard and given the country important titles. The Brazilian team, on the other hand, is tired without having delivered anything, nothing but disappointment.

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Quote from: rdluffy on November 17, 2024, 01:37:23 PM

It's a good word to use hehe: arrogant Cheesy

I have the feeling that those players really feels better than others, and maybe this is the "Neymar generation"
They'd rather complain to the judges than focus solely on the game, they'd rather fall for their opponents' provocations instead of play the match, they prefer to try a fake foul instead of play...

The match of Brazil against Uruguay is paying 1.65 of odds to Brazil and 5.0 to Uruguay and I don't think this is the real situation of the match, I don't trust on Brazil against Uruguay Tongue

Uruguay won against Colombia and will try to get at least a draw against Brazil, they have all the conditions to even win

I agree, it should be the other way around and that's even good and could be an opportunity for a good bet, maybe I'll even open a ticket betting on a win, a draw, brazil wins or draws and vice versa.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 17, 2024, 12:53:43 PM

The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...

Embarrassment sadly describes it correctly. The are in shambles for some reason and it is not because they can't find good enough players. They still have several superstars, no need to mention Vinicius Junior, but they can't successfully put a team together that is as competitive as they normally are in Brazil. This must be stressful for everyone who has been following the Brazilian national team for a long time and who knows how they played in the past. But it is on a downtrend for a while now. They are not playing bad since yesterday. It began many years ago and it will be exciting to see how they are going to do in the future.

I share the same opinion as the @criptoevangelista, a coach makes all the difference in the team/selection, with rare exceptions, these players have training methods and conditions different from the legacy brazilian method that is being outdated, today football is more tactical and aggressive, there is no longer much space for a Pelé, for example, to dribble field all the players and get into the goal.

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Quote from: temple on November 17, 2024, 01:48:22 PM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 17, 2024, 12:53:43 PM

The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...

Embarrassment sadly describes it correctly. The are in shambles for some reason and it is not because they can't find good enough players. They still have several superstars, no need to mention Vinicius Junior, but they can't successfully put a team together that is as competitive as they normally are in Brazil. This must be stressful for everyone who has been following the Brazilian national team for a long time and who knows how they played in the past. But it is on a downtrend for a while now. They are not playing bad since yesterday. It began many years ago and it will be exciting to see how they are going to do in the future.

Yes, it's been many years, more precisely after the 2006 World Cup, in the change of generations, the biggest problem was in this transition of generations, the next generation (2010, 2014 World Cup) didn't achieve absolutely anything, and the current generation hasn't either... so we're talking about almost 20 years of problems to get a national team right... something isn't right and I don't see anything good in the short or medium term... Brazil will need a new generation to become great again and have relevance on the world stage, otherwise there will only be disappointments.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 17, 2024, 12:53:43 PM

The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...

Embarrassment sadly describes it correctly. The are in shambles for some reason and it is not because they can't find good enough players. They still have several superstars, no need to mention Vinicius Junior, but they can't successfully put a team together that is as competitive as they normally are in Brazil. This must be stressful for everyone who has been following the Brazilian national team for a long time and who knows how they played in the past. But it is on a downtrend for a while now. They are not playing bad since yesterday. It began many years ago and it will be exciting to see how they are going to do in the future.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on November 16, 2024, 03:38:00 PM

Quote from: rdluffy on November 16, 2024, 02:58:28 PM

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In my opinion, Brazilian players have always been arrogant, some think they are superior and this compromises teamwork. A classic example of this that I can remember is when Neymar scored his last goal for the national team. There were 5 minutes left in the game and all they had to do was hold on, but Fred went up. This caused some players to attack, compromising the defense.

It's a good word to use hehe: arrogant Cheesy

I have the feeling that those players really feels better than others, and maybe this is the "Neymar generation"
They'd rather complain to the judges than focus solely on the game, they'd rather fall for their opponents' provocations instead of play the match, they prefer to try a fake foul instead of play...

The match of Brazil against Uruguay is paying 1.65 of odds to Brazil and 5.0 to Uruguay and I don't think this is the real situation of the match, I don't trust on Brazil against Uruguay Tongue

Uruguay won against Colombia and will try to get at least a draw against Brazil, they have all the conditions to even win

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 16, 2024, 09:23:05 PM

Quote from: Pumared on November 15, 2024, 03:08:24 PM

As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.

Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.

The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...

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I dont know what Alfaro does with his national teams but it works in an oustading way, is just incredible how he manage to do magic with stones, he do a super team with Ecuador in the past putting them on the world cup, after he took Costa Rica for a few games and give them some excelent results in copa America, and now he makes a super comeback with one of the worst Paraguay i remember, but now they beat Brazil and Argentina.

He is well know here in Argentina for his spech, he is a meme because he repeat some of his spech wherever he goes.

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Quote from: Pumared on November 15, 2024, 03:08:24 PM

As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.

Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.

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Quote from: rdluffy on November 16, 2024, 02:58:28 PM

I'm very disheartened by the Brazilian national team
There's only one more game this year and then there's a year and a half until the 2026 World Cup.
It may seem like a lot, for a club it's a long time, but for a national team it's a short time, there's not that much time to completely change the way they play, or to start serious work like the other teams have been doing for some time now

Unfortunately, that's how it is
Do you also think that Brazilian players lack more humility?
Do you think this is affecting the team or is it just my opinion?
Because I see most of the players and they seem to think they're the best, even more so playing against theoretically weaker teams, and this ends up turning against them

Look at Vini Jr for example and you'll see what I'm talking

In my opinion, Brazilian players have always been arrogant, some think they are superior and this compromises teamwork. A classic example of this that I can remember is when Neymar scored his last goal for the national team. There were 5 minutes left in the game and all they had to do was hold on, but Fred went up. This caused some players to attack, compromising the defense.

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Quote from: Slow death on November 16, 2024, 03:25:57 PM

Brazil's next game will be against Uruguay, who in my opinion are not very strong, but in the last 2 games in which both teams faced each other, Uruguay did better, having achieved one win and one draw. It is true that the Uruguayan squad is not the same squad that played against Brazil in the last 2 games. Some Uruguayan players will not be playing. But from what I have heard, Brazil will also be without some players. So this will be a game in which both teams will need to work hard because they need a win.

https://livescores.biz/h2h/brazil-cf-vs-uruguay-cf

My guess: I expect a draw or a win for Brazil. I don't see Brazil losing to Uruguay.

who in my opinion are not very strong... I want to believe that you actually do not have good knowledge of the Uruguay team for you to make such statement because the Uruguay I know is very capable of beating any team in the world on their day even without some of their best players. Glad you know they had a the better of Brazil in the last two meetings and that goes a long way to tell you how strong they are as a team. Brazil vs Uruguay will be a very difficult game for both sides and instead of predicting or staking on the game, I'll sit back enjoy the match

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Brazil's next game will be against Uruguay, who in my opinion are not very strong, but in the last 2 games in which both teams faced each other, Uruguay did better, having achieved one win and one draw. It is true that the Uruguayan squad is not the same squad that played against Brazil in the last 2 games. Some Uruguayan players will not be playing. But from what I have heard, Brazil will also be without some players. So this will be a game in which both teams will need to work hard because they need a win.

https://livescores.biz/h2h/brazil-cf-vs-uruguay-cf

My guess: I expect a draw or a win for Brazil. I don't see Brazil losing to Uruguay.

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Quote from: ajanwalker on November 16, 2024, 10:08:07 AM

Brazil played away losses again.
He could not beat a weak team like Venezuela away.

He played very well in the match and even took the lead, but he could not prevent Segoiva's goal in the 49th minute.
In the 62nd minute, Brazil won a penalty, but Vinicius Jr. won the penalty. could not evaluate. In the match, one of Brazil's shots hit the post.
If Brazil goes to the World Cup, it will have difficulty getting points in the away games thanks to the victories it has achieved at home. They last won against Chile, but there was no follow-up.

Even if they go to the World Cup, coach Dorival Junior needs to be changed, otherwise they will return to their country in the group stage of the World Cup.

Brazil is on improvement mode but still needs to be more aggressive in coming games while now their spot is already fixed for the World Cup 2026 but if they want to have better results they needed their attack is having more firepower with their defense is also needed to be more effective currently in top 6 teams they have the weakest defense which conceded 10 goals.

Dorival Junior is doing decent job with few still having concerns about his ability, but we have no better coach in Brazil who can manage things like him until world cup 2026 coming game against Uruguay at home is going to be interesting because here we need a win from them at Estádio Fonte Nova we have no win for the Uruguay against Brazil in last 10 games which give them good advantage, but their current performance is surely not as we have them in the past.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on November 16, 2024, 02:47:05 PM

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Something needs to be done urgently, even if there is no time, because 1.5-2 years is too little to prepare for a World Cup. Brazil must improve by focusing on future World Cups.

I'm very disheartened by the Brazilian national team
There's only one more game this year and then there's a year and a half until the 2026 World Cup.
It may seem like a lot, for a club it's a long time, but for a national team it's a short time, there's not that much time to completely change the way they play, or to start serious work like the other teams have been doing for some time now

Unfortunately, that's how it is
Do you also think that Brazilian players lack more humility?
Do you think this is affecting the team or is it just my opinion?
Because I see most of the players and they seem to think they're the best, even more so playing against theoretically weaker teams, and this ends up turning against them

Look at Vini Jr for example and you'll see what I'm talking

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