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legendary
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March 27, 2020, 03:55:45 PM
This looks terrible: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive

Means patients that have recovered haven't really recovered in China? How did their test results come positive again?
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
March 27, 2020, 02:37:55 PM
^^^ Four to six grams of vitamin C, daily.     Cool

Diarrhea guaranteed!
For the extra cleansing effectzx  Cheesy

Vitamin C is very safe but once you go past 2,000mg it can cause GI upset including diarrhea.

Is it possible to take too much vitamin C?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030

I take 10g of VC every day, spread throughout the day. No issues.

Take 2 or 3 grams, each, of L-lysine and L-proline along with your V-C, and it will protect you against heart disease as well as CV. Search on "Linus Pauling."

Cool

Lysine is also good for the skin, rashes etc. BUT if you rely more on Arginine (which cacao and dark chocolate is rich of) be careful that taking Lysine depletes Arginine.
It's always good to take Amino-complex supplements in addition to certain aminos, to maintain nutrial balance.
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 12:03:47 PM
^^^ Four to six grams of vitamin C, daily.     Cool

Diarrhea guaranteed!
For the extra cleansing effectzx  Cheesy

Vitamin C is very safe but once you go past 2,000mg it can cause GI upset including diarrhea.

Is it possible to take too much vitamin C?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030

I take 10g of VC every day, spread throughout the day. No issues.

Take 2 or 3 grams, each, of L-lysine and L-proline along with your V-C, and it will protect you against heart disease as well as CV. Search on "Linus Pauling."

Cool
hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
March 27, 2020, 09:33:04 AM
Hey Tash, honest question - was it a typo when you created your account, and forgot the "r"?



It will be a false flag later: The big banks and the debt explosion and insane QE didn't cause economic failure, but corona did! Roll Eyes

I'd rather kiss you, but hey, I have Corona. Roll Eyes
sr. member
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Pro financial, medical liberty
March 27, 2020, 09:23:01 AM

Diagnosed with pneumonia and coronavirus, Rio Giardinieri, was admitted to the ICU. When he made no improvements after a week, doctors said there was nothing more they could do. Desperately ill, Rio started to tell his family and friends goodbye. That's when a friend said there was a potential "cure" for coronavirus, an anti-malaria drug called hydroxycloroquine
https://www.facebook.com/GlennBeck/videos/2834322946603527/
“So, you know, I certainly understand the hospital’s position. They may not be too happy about me telling the story. But the facts are the facts.”
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 08:45:07 AM
^^^ Four to six grams of vitamin C, daily.     Cool

Diarrhea guaranteed!
For the extra cleansing effectzx  Cheesy

Vitamin C is very safe but once you go past 2,000mg it can cause GI upset including diarrhea.

Is it possible to take too much vitamin C?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030

I take 10g of VC every day, spread throughout the day. No issues.
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 07:27:03 AM

So you are going to have the worse of both systems: economic failure AND massive death count.
Aren't you extrapolating a little fast here fillippone?
Show me the massive death count when all this is said and done, and I'll show you the economic failure next year.
It will be a false flag later: The big banks and the debt explosion and insane QE didn't cause economic failure, but corona did! Roll Eyes

Of Course this is not unintentional.
This is THE plan.
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 07:05:35 AM
the numbers of cases vs deaths stated above of USA, india, san marino. have no context

for instance in san marino. the amount of tests or even when they are tested may vary to america
america can be very test crazy and even test people with a cough. where as san marino might only test the more serious symptom people this the context would be that san marino have more deaths vs diagnoses.

other things to take into account is when they publish news about young people dying with no underlying problem.. this is not no underlying problem.. but no pre-diagnosed and treated medical problem before corona
many people old and young can have health conditions undiagnosed. whether its no significant symptoms to raise their own fear/want to cost them money/time to get checked. or just some nutty religious reason to not want to go hospital unles on deaths door.

so when you want to try twisting things to try to make it sound like the death rate is huge and make it sound like everyone can die. understand your just trying to cause unwanted/unhelpful panic.

to all those that think they are supermen/immortal. by you avoiding healthcare. doesnt mean your immortal. you might actually have a condition that you have not been assessed for. and if or when you do get the virus. you may get more symptoms than others.
so just stop kissing peoples asses and licking door knobs. stay 2metres away from people(easy for basement dwellers) and when you do research. actually think of the real context and not try to sway it into a context that fits your pre-thought/pre-researched idea
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 06:53:06 AM
I'm too tired to respond to this but it's just utter tosh.

We can't "build up medical capacity" to keep up with it, some states in the US (the country that spends the most on healthcare by quite a margin) are already beyond-Italy-level fucked - NY and LA, possibly FL. It's either comprehensive testing and selective quarantines (too late for that in the US), or total lockdown, there is no other strategy yet that has worked.

Nah, NY and CA (full disclosure I'm NY based) are somewhat fucked.
FL is probably somewhat more because of the general age of the population.

It's probably going to worse in some of the low population, middle of the country states. Some of them are going to be ultra fucked.
We have hospitals, we have people to help out, we have businesses that can support things.

Picking on Kansas: population = 3,000,000 number of hospital beds = 6500 or 461 people per bed.
Suffolk and Nassau county NY combined population = 2,900,000 number of hospital beds = 7250 or 400 people per bed. NOT including ~ 1000 at a hospital on the Nassau / Queens border because they are at the moment mostly getting NYC cases.  And Long Island has some of the lowest beds to people ratio in NY.

And we are scrambling to get more setup and have the governments screaming for help and getting in everything they can.

Kansas kind of doing the everything is fine routine.
With it's lower population density they might get away with it.
On the other hand, if they are wrong it's going to be to late.

Just my view and I hope I wrong, but I see the big cities getting hit and getting hit hard and then the smaller urban and rural areas getting it. The advantage smaller places will have is the fact that there will be more "stuff" around be it ventilators or meds or support or whatever. The disadvantage will be that if it hits them a bit sooner the big cities will still have to deal with their own cases and there will NOT be more stuff around there might be less.

-Dave
legendary
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Terminated.
March 27, 2020, 06:22:31 AM
San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.
You are the literal definition of an idiot. Are you aware of this?
Go ahead and make an argument that contests the guy's observations.
If you do not see what the obvious nonsense conclusion is based off of the data, then you are part of the problem. His post is one of the stupidest I have read recently. Go figure.

So you are going to have the worse of both systems: economic failure AND massive death count.
Aren't you extrapolating a little fast here fillippone?
Show me the massive death count when all this is said and done, and I'll show you the economic failure next year.
It will be a false flag later: The big banks and the debt explosion and insane QE didn't cause economic failure, but corona did! Roll Eyes
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 05:55:44 AM
San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.
You are the literal definition of an idiot. Are you aware of this?

Go ahead and make an argument that contests the guy's observations.

Yeah, lets go bananas over a banana. Grin
This forum has some very bad policies for certain things unfortunately. This corona stuff is proving it all over again.

Hey Theymos, you heard the man.  Censorship please...for the good of the collective.  The collective of Western-based corp/gov mouthpieces that is.

hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
March 27, 2020, 05:43:05 AM
So you are going to have the worse of both systems: economic failure AND massive death count.

Aren't you extrapolating a little fast here fillippone?
Show me the massive death count when all this is said and done, and I'll show you the economic failure next year.

Out of respect for the dead, or those who are about to financially die, I'm going to leave this here.
Besides, you are my brother.

PS: Trump WHO? Roll Eyes
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 05:05:25 AM

So is our Sun, what's your point?

When Mr. Trump Says: " The cure cannot be worse than the disease" he has no idea of what he's saying.
Reopening the nation before the end of the contagion is madness.
People are not kamikaze.
You don't go to work when everybody is dying around you, they will eventually self isolate on their own.
So you are going to have the worse of both systems: economic failure AND massive death count.

legendary
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Terminated.
March 27, 2020, 04:56:54 AM
San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.
You are the literal definition of an idiot. Are you aware of this?

Yeah, lets go bananas over a banana. Grin
This forum has some very bad policies for certain things unfortunately. This corona stuff is proving it all over again.
hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
March 27, 2020, 04:00:59 AM
San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.


Yeah, lets go bananas over a banana. Grin
sr. member
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March 27, 2020, 03:48:33 AM
San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.
hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
March 27, 2020, 03:46:34 AM
I am very scared by the US.

You are very scared. Period.


Don't worry, DoomBerg is not an expert either.

In addition to that, the yesterday's massive Jobless number is adding 3 millions of people to the uninsured percentage of the population.
Probably those workers are already in the weakest hand-to-mouth part of the population, and , given the industries leading the layoff, the most exposed to contagion.

As you frequently mention, they will print themselves out of this. Simple.

This is not going to ending well.

So is our Sun, what's your point?
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 02:51:30 AM
There is no cure for the Chinese Coronavirus, so testing will not actually do anything.

The lockdowns may slow the spread, but it won't stop it because people still need to interact with others, for example, to buy food. People also need to go to work if they work in certain industries designed as critical, and cannot work remotely, and some of these people will spread the virus.

If you recover from the virus, you cannot get it again, and once you are recovered you cannot give it to anyone else. Once enough people are recovered from the virus, it will have no one else to spread to because it is only being spread to people who have already recovered.

If we can build up medical capacity, identify and protect those who are most likely to have serious complications from the virus, then we should get most everyone else infected, and the population as a whole will develop herd immunity. We will probably see this in third world countries that cannot effectively control their citizens, except the vulnerable will not be protected (very sad).

I'm too tired to respond to this but it's just utter tosh.

We can't "build up medical capacity" to keep up with it, some states in the US (the country that spends the most on healthcare by quite a margin) are already beyond-Italy-level fucked - NY and LA, possibly FL. It's either comprehensive testing and selective quarantines (too late for that in the US), or total lockdown, there is no other strategy yet that has worked.

I am very scared by the US.
Not a big health expert, but as far as I know US health system is massively inefficient.
source:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-19/u-s-near-bottom-of-health-index-hong-kong-and-singapore-at-top

Thisis adding in a massively "unhealthy nation:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-24/spain-tops-italy-as-world-s-healthiest-nation-while-u-s-slips

In addition to that, the yesterday's massive Jobless number is adding 3 millions of people to the uninsured percentage of the population.
Probably those workers are already in the weakest hand-to-mouth part of the population, and , given the industries leading the layoff, the most exposed to contagion.

This is not going to ending well.
legendary
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March 27, 2020, 01:19:36 AM
There is no cure for the Chinese Coronavirus, so testing will not actually do anything.

The lockdowns may slow the spread, but it won't stop it because people still need to interact with others, for example, to buy food. People also need to go to work if they work in certain industries designed as critical, and cannot work remotely, and some of these people will spread the virus.

If you recover from the virus, you cannot get it again, and once you are recovered you cannot give it to anyone else. Once enough people are recovered from the virus, it will have no one else to spread to because it is only being spread to people who have already recovered.

If we can build up medical capacity, identify and protect those who are most likely to have serious complications from the virus, then we should get most everyone else infected, and the population as a whole will develop herd immunity. We will probably see this in third world countries that cannot effectively control their citizens, except the vulnerable will not be protected (very sad).

I'm too tired to respond to this but it's just utter tosh.

We can't "build up medical capacity" to keep up with it, some states in the US (the country that spends the most on healthcare by quite a margin) are already beyond-Italy-level fucked - NY and LA, possibly FL. It's either comprehensive testing and selective quarantines (too late for that in the US), or total lockdown, there is no other strategy yet that has worked.
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March 26, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Even more reason to isolate. If we are all infected then we want this virus to die completely so it doesn't have a chance to mutate and reinfect us all again. Only way to do that is isolation for a month.

Do you think Trump will reopen the country by easter?  Or do you think he'll be stopped?

He hasn't really closed anything down, I don't think.

The White House is doing a '15 days to slow the spread' thing where they suggest everyone practice social distancing, but I think all the official orders to shut down xyz have been made by Mayors and Governors.


He can effectively invalidate the orders and encourage people to come back to work. The orders are almost certainly unconstitutional, but ignoring this fact, they cannot be realistically be enforced if they are defied in masse.

If Trump says that it is safe for certain people to go to work and come out of their homes and he has the support of doctors, people would likely listen to him, especially if they are needing money to pay their bills.

I think a fairly large part of the shelter in place orders in much of the country are intended to harm the economy. San Francisco has a shelter in place order and there are only about 150 cases. The mayor of los Angelos said that he expects residents to have to stay in their homes for months rebutting what Trump said about reopening the economy by Easter. LA has about 650 cases, I would estimate that at most there are 130 people hospitalized in LA and the mayor is saying the hospitals are overwhelmed. I would say that claiming hospitals are overwhelmed with 130 patients and pre-judging the outcome before the data is available removes his credibility.

The orders are fairly transparently political when governments are allowing pot dispensaries to stay open while shutting down gun shops.

The governors are responsible for declaring a state of emergency, I don't think Trump would have the authority to over rule them as they aren't his subordinate.  A governor could over rule a mayor, but the president couldn't over rule a governor.

I'm sure there are some loop holes that Trump could find to exploit, or just simply start insulting/attacking a governor to get a similar effect, but that's definitely not the way the system was intended to work.
Trump and the local officials are saying the same thing. If Trump says it is safe to go to work, but the state/local officials are saying to stay home, a lot of people would probably ignore the lockdown orders, and it will start to cascade. The lockdown orders are unconstitutional, so any convictions of people violating them will be thrown out and ignoring the unconstitutionality of the orders, you really cannot enforce them if they are defied en masse.

If we can reasonably determine who will have mild/no symptoms

We already tried that, by not testing people for two months. The only missing part was a time machine to check those symptoms in advance.

The sad thing about these lockdowns is that if they're at least somewhat successful then every conspiratard will be claiming that we didn't need lockdowns.
There is no cure for the Chinese Coronavirus, so testing will not actually do anything.

The lockdowns may slow the spread, but it won't stop it because people still need to interact with others, for example, to buy food. People also need to go to work if they work in certain industries designed as critical, and cannot work remotely, and some of these people will spread the virus.

If you recover from the virus, you cannot get it again, and once you are recovered you cannot give it to anyone else. Once enough people are recovered from the virus, it will have no one else to spread to because it is only being spread to people who have already recovered.

If we can build up medical capacity, identify and protect those who are most likely to have serious complications from the virus, then we should get most everyone else infected, and the population as a whole will develop herd immunity. We will probably see this in third world countries that cannot effectively control their citizens, except the vulnerable will not be protected (very sad).
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