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Quote from: Stedsm on March 02, 2021, 07:26:36 PM

Quote from: darkangel11 on March 02, 2021, 07:00:13 PM

It depends on the country. I don't see how we could generalize and say that it affects all sports around the world. Is it really worse than when Russians and Germans were abusing steroids and pumping their whole teams with them so much that women were developing male features? I don't think so.

Corruption is worse than almost anything in this world. I believe that the hunger of money can make any player sell their conscience and play for the people who bought it just because they've bet something big against the odds and want to win it at any cost. There's probably nothing that could move out the greed of a person than his own will not to commit such a thing.

of course, there are still people that know the importance of dignity and credibility. but there will always be individuals or group that will practice illegal stuffs for the sake of money. it may not be all, but there will always be someone who will corrupt the system one way or another.
if you want to live with clear conscience, it is up to you how you will live your life, whether you are an athlete or the coach.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on March 02, 2021, 07:00:13 PM

It depends on the country. I don't see how we could generalize and say that it affects all sports around the world. Is it really worse than when Russians and Germans were abusing steroids and pumping their whole teams with them so much that women were developing male features? I don't think so.

Corruption is worse than almost anything in this world. I believe that the hunger of money can make any player sell their conscience and play for the people who bought it just because they've bet something big against the odds and want to win it at any cost. There's probably nothing that could move out the greed of a person than his own will not to commit such a thing.

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Quote from: bitbunnny on March 02, 2021, 05:00:32 PM

My feeling is that sport is getting more and more corrupted. Although it should be example of high values it often becomes just the opposite. But we have to admit that this is not so strange because more and more money is involved in many professional sports like football, basketball, tennis and others. Sports have become more business than game and that is not good so I think we should get back to basics and that is not going to be easy.
Of course some gamblers play on illicit way on fixed sports matches and similar and sometimes looks that human greed really doesn't have limits.

It depends on the country. I don't see how we could generalize and say that it affects all sports around the world. Is it really worse than when Russians and Germans were abusing steroids and pumping their whole teams with them so much that women were developing male features? I don't think so.

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My feeling is that sport is getting more and more corrupted. Although it should be example of high values it often becomes just the opposite. But we have to admit that this is not so strange because more and more money is involved in many professional sports like football, basketball, tennis and others. Sports have become more business than game and that is not good so I think we should get back to basics and that is not going to be easy.
Of course some gamblers play on illicit way on fixed sports matches and similar and sometimes looks that human greed really doesn't have limits.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 06:31:11 AM

In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

It's unavoidable and barely detectable by the government, let alone enforce some sort of rule.

The problem is much more rampant in countries where sportspeople are poorly remunerated and have to turn to match fixing in order to make an acceptable income. Pakistani cricket seems to be notorious for this.

And that problem won't self-correct until the risk of getting caught is higher than the relative reward that these people get for match-fixing, or that the players involved get legitimately compensated better. No amount of regulation or outlawing will help so long as this illicit sector remains lucrative.

It should really be changed off when it comes to penalties or consequences for them to hesitate to do such thing once they've caught.
But basing off with this link Link

A maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment is applicable for those who do make out arrangement.Dont know on what would be into those who get involved or the player itself.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 06:31:11 AM

In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

It's unavoidable and barely detectable by the government, let alone enforce some sort of rule.

The problem is much more rampant in countries where sportspeople are poorly remunerated and have to turn to match fixing in order to make an acceptable income. Pakistani cricket seems to be notorious for this.

And that problem won't self-correct until the risk of getting caught is higher than the relative reward that these people get for match-fixing, or that the players involved get legitimately compensated better. No amount of regulation or outlawing will help so long as this illicit sector remains lucrative.

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Quote from: Latviand on March 02, 2021, 09:43:14 AM

That's the dark side of gambling in some countries which is really unfair even if you check it in every angle or situations.

Gambling is sometimes involved in a syndication which makes rich people become more rich and poor people becomes more poor.

That's the reason why people are not engaging in gambling depending on places where these things are common to exist. Governments doesn't care about other people's bets and they are only focusing about economic growth and their own profits. Let's accept the fact that these things are existing and we have nothing to do with this but to avoid it.

Just one example from where I live: here gambling is forbidden, but government's lottery is allowed and valid for the whole country compete against themselves, so the prizes are huge when they accumulate.
But among so many different gamblers, curiously there are few people who are well known for winning dozens of time on the lottery, including a former congressman who won 12 times within a 1 year period. Facts like this make me stay away from this national gambling. I believe crypto casinos are much more transparent and legit than my national lottery.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 06:31:11 AM

Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

I'd rather ask why their wages are so incredibly high. For instance, a good specialist in his field, a scientist, a researcher, can make maybe 10k USD a month. Football players make 100k. They're getting so much that it's easy for them to become spoiled. It's especially hard to stay true to your beliefs when you come from a poor country and suddenly advance to a world league.
It's my belief that as long as there's big money in sports, there will be corruption and the governments won't be able to change anything. They can't monitor the flow of cash.

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Quote from: Latviand on March 02, 2021, 09:43:14 AM

That's the dark side of gambling in some countries which is really unfair even if you check it in every angle or situations.

This is for real, can't avoid that in every places of the world, gambling mafias are present. They control this market and they are good
to work it without, even sometimes it really obvious but they manage to escape it out and continue.

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Gambling is sometimes involved in a syndication which makes rich people become more rich and poor people becomes more poor.

Rich people have enough money to play along with mafias, they are willing to take the risk in returned of very decent compensations.

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That's the reason why people are not engaging in gambling depending on places where these things are common to exist. Governments doesn't care about other people's bets and they are only focusing about economic growth and their own profits. Let's accept the fact that these things are existing and we have nothing to do with this but to avoid it.

Speaking of government, they are not going to involve themselves to something that they'll ain't going to benefits, they are just after with the taxes and all those benefits that they'll going to have allowing this business to facilatate within their jusrisdictions. Aside from that, government will not interfere to any dark side of this inustry unless there's complains about it.

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Quote from: goaldigger on March 02, 2021, 09:21:36 AM

If you play against their rules, you can easily get replaced and that’s why some players are just doing their job despite of their corrupt management since they don’t want to missed the game and they really do love that sports. Corruptions can’t be stop, this has been the big problem since then and I believe it will continue to exist.

I suppose if a player just doesn't care, they could continue but they can't expose it neither, so let's say you are a good player and they tell you to lose the game, all you can do is decline it but you can't just come public about it or you will probably be killed over it as well but even if you do not get killed you will not be hired by any team at all.

Long story short we are in a situation where we are going to see no player come out and make a news about this, even media will not give this but he can share it on social media if they want to but I am sure that would be very difficult as well. But, we should still try to unreveal it as much as we can as gamblers, when I see something that happens in a team I try to avoid that team as much as I can, and I feel like it is most teams at this point, because it is a lot of money to be made from this and teams need that money.

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That's the dark side of gambling in some countries which is really unfair even if you check it in every angle or situations.

Gambling is sometimes involved in a syndication which makes rich people become more rich and poor people becomes more poor.

That's the reason why people are not engaging in gambling depending on places where these things are common to exist. Governments doesn't care about other people's bets and they are only focusing about economic growth and their own profits. Let's accept the fact that these things are existing and we have nothing to do with this but to avoid it.

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There is nothing special about corruption and sports. Corruption is everywhere. If it is in sports, then it is no big deal. Remember that corruption is very much present even in religion, wars which mean death to a lot of innocent people, charity even those which are focused on poverty, etc. Those are areas where corruption is least expected but still very rampant.

There is so much money in sports that is why corruption is unavoidable there.

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Quote from: Joca97 on March 02, 2021, 08:53:55 AM

Quote from: TimeTeller on February 28, 2021, 07:22:27 PM

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Quote from: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 06:31:11 AM

In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Every government can make a statement about resolving this problem,but it can never be resolved lots of clubs live from fixing matches ,everything can be fixed from lower league to top leagues,in Serbia even 4th division can is fixed so this problem cant be resolved and it wont be.

This is already a long-running problem not just in sports history but in human history.
I don't know any solution to this as it is passed from generation to generation.
This is the truth, we can't eradicate this bad practice in the industry.
What we can do, is not participate in this game if we know that they exist.
Spare yourself from joining this dirty game and live a more peaceful life.

Most of the players cant do a thing about if they dont participate in this kind of match they can be either benched or fired,but no one wants to do this because of their sports jobs. Some players even get paid to fix this kind of games so thats a bonus for them. This problem cant just go away like that.

If you play against their rules, you can easily get replaced and that’s why some players are just doing their job despite of their corrupt management since they don’t want to missed the game and they really do love that sports. Corruptions can’t be stop, this has been the big problem since then and I believe it will continue to exist.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on February 28, 2021, 07:22:27 PM

Quote from: Joca97 on February 28, 2021, 07:06:52 PM

Quote from: romero121 on February 28, 2021, 06:31:11 AM

In my country every government during the election campaign have the statement we'll abolish corruption on the sports in the manifesto. Is this is common or I'm seeing this on my country. In each and every game, during the selection process bribe is being given. This has made several able sportsmen discontinue their passion on sports and do some routine job for their living.

Same as this is the gambling, more key players are involved with match fixing even after getting huge sum of money after every match winning/losing. Why certain sportsmen have such greed towards money when people are starving to have a single meal on a day.

Every government can make a statement about resolving this problem,but it can never be resolved lots of clubs live from fixing matches ,everything can be fixed from lower league to top leagues,in Serbia even 4th division can is fixed so this problem cant be resolved and it wont be.

This is already a long-running problem not just in sports history but in human history.
I don't know any solution to this as it is passed from generation to generation.
This is the truth, we can't eradicate this bad practice in the industry.
What we can do, is not participate in this game if we know that they exist.
Spare yourself from joining this dirty game and live a more peaceful life.

Most of the players cant do a thing about if they dont participate in this kind of match they can be either benched or fired,but no one wants to do this because of their sports jobs. Some players even get paid to fix this kind of games so thats a bonus for them. This problem cant just go away like that.

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Corruptions are everywhere, even the well known sports have this kind of issues and some of them was exposed publicly.

Sports are compose of human, and human tends to become more greed and only few succeed to control it. On the other hand, politicians are making moves to control sports and creat projects that didn’t exist at all, this is very popular in my country. Grin

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on March 01, 2021, 07:16:28 AM

Politician will promise Earth , Moon and Sun just to get our Vote so why believe those stupid words?

Do you still believe in Their promises ? lol listening in the campaign sorties and rallies with the sugar coated words of Politicians is irritating for me .

Thats why when elections season comes ? i prefer not to watch news in regards to them lol.

Unfortunately, many people still believe that, especially if that candidate can convince many people that they have a better concept after being elected. Maybe we do not believe them, but people will try to search for the right people and vote for them. Unfortunately, they pick the wrong candidates in the election voting. But the candidate itself can bribe the people to vote for them to win the election.

The fact that a certain candidate is telling people to solve the problem on sports fixing, I'm confuse a bit and like to ask, is that a national issue that majority of the people are interested? I guess it's not, so why would they tackle that? I'm sure there are bigger problems to be prioritize than game fixing problem.

I do not think that is a national issue as that only comes from some people who are not candidates, but they want to know the other people business. They lift that problem to the public just pretending they care about what happens to their people. But after they elect as one man who has power, they forgot that promises and left them behind them without trying to solve that problem. We saw that case, and that is not new to us. The big problem now that needs to fix is how they can survive this pandemic and make sure that their people can get the vaccine.

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Quote from: harizen on March 01, 2021, 06:15:13 PM

Quote from: gagux123 on March 01, 2021, 05:44:32 PM

Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.

I doubt. Players worked their way up and it's a hard path so I doubt they will participate in this "at several cases".

Players aren't that dumb to throw away their career easily. I think that fraud involves people from officiating and not on the players. Leagues also are very careful not to throw their reputation too as the reason why they are being profitable is because of the people that support them.

Should we discuss the political side too? lol

I think players could bribe their way up if you don't have a fraud-proof selection process that is Merit-based. And I think bribery by players will reduce alot if a league (for example) is very competitive, has good incentives, is not rigged, has the right/sufficient rules and the rules are always followed/enforced . That will likely encourage the clubs/teams to go for the most qualified players because they will want to do well and be rewarded

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FC Barcelona: Police Raid Stadium In Financial Crimes Investigation

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And from my country:

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Serbia 'Dismantles' Soccer-Hooligan Crime Gang

Source: https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-dismantles-soccer-hooligan-crime-gang/31086589.html

This is one of the articles I found in English! The story is much more complicated, this guy (Velja Nevolja - Velja (name) Trouble (nickname)) is accused of killing 15 people, mostly hooligans and Red Star or Partizan supporters! He had a sniper rifle and other firearms hidden in the official club offices... and of course some drugs!
High-ranked officials from both clubs are being accused of having connections with this group!

In my country, there is no sport I think! Maybe until the age of 12-14... there's not a lot of money in that, but over that everything is just money! Managers taking players under their own, and they take them in EU, US, Emirates, or anywhere where is money to work for them! Without them you can't do anything, with them on your back it's like you are a slave! That will never end!

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This question isn't really too hard to answer. As you have said it, greed makes these people go around and do nefarious stuff with their associated craft, and it's no surprise that some athletes/players do this especially since there's too much money to be had outside of what they are already earning, e.g. match fixing and the likes. Some do it because they really need the money and what they're getting from simply playing isn't enough. They're human, there's no need to further explain or try to give some meaning over their actions.

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Quote from: gagux123 on March 01, 2021, 05:44:32 PM

I think it doesn't just happen in your country, I think around the world!!!

Corruption is everywhere, including sports. Some players or referees don't care about selling themselves or things like that, some players only think about themselves and the benefits that this will give.
Unfortunately things happen that way

The reality that we should really need get to used to because this is how thing works on this world and everything cant really be perfect.This is a global problem

because people do always love on earning money in all means even its including on risking up their own reputation.It doesn't matter if it hurts their reputation,

they do always focus on how to make money and how it would benefit them without minding on what would be the effects or consequences once get caught.

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