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Topic: CrazyLoaf's CrazySteak(TM) High PoS Investment Journal - page 5. (Read 18534 times)

legendary
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50% stake with an estimated 25% inflation yearly. Not to mention some big names in altcoins doing the hard work Wink

 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-maieuticoin-2014-pos-10kmmxiv-and-ballsmmxiv-markets-now-open-623884

pure PoS... - no soup for you !

also you can't sit with the cool kids.

Pft, the cool kids have to ask me if they can sit down Wink
newbie
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50% stake with an estimated 25% inflation yearly. Not to mention some big names in altcoins doing the hard work Wink

 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-maieuticoin-2014-pos-10kmmxiv-and-ballsmmxiv-markets-now-open-623884

pure PoS... - no soup for you !

also you can't sit with the cool kids.




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Good to see the Hybrids going well - -
sr. member
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Well this looks really interesting. Gonna have to read through all of it later.  But what do you guys setup in order to stake a bunch of coins at the same time?
legendary
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50% stake with an estimated 25% inflation yearly. Not to mention some big names in altcoins doing the hard work Wink

 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-maieuticoin-2014-pos-10kmmxiv-and-ballsmmxiv-markets-now-open-623884
legendary
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Your saying I could have had a increase of 600% in a week.. Tell me more Smiley
legendary
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Which was how long ago?

Few days ago. Maybe a week max. Its in this thread a few pages back but he's mentioned it a few times since
legendary
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Which was how long ago?
legendary
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If any of you bought into M when CrazyLoaf first gave his review you would already have made nearly 6 times your investment
legendary
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I didn't read the whole thread, but in case FIMK (pure PoS) has not been mentioned yet: http://fimk.fi/en/info.html

PS: the basic development philosophy of FIMK may be quite different from the other ones mentioned, as the main development interest and effort is in the communal aspect and every day use - gradual distribution of third of the coins to Finnish citizens as "basic income" over five years, the same time as extra stake rewards are being paid, in gradually lowering curve.

FIMK does not belong here because it's PoS reward is not high.

high enough* Smiley
legendary
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I didn't read the whole thread, but in case FIMK (pure PoS) has not been mentioned yet: http://fimk.fi/en/info.html

PS: the basic development philosophy of FIMK may be quite different from the other ones mentioned, as the main development interest and effort is in the communal aspect and every day use - gradual distribution of third of the coins to Finnish citizens as "basic income" over five years, the same time as extra stake rewards are being paid, in gradually lowering curve.

FIMK does not belong here because it's PoS reward is not high.
newbie
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I didn't read the whole thread, but in case FIMK (pure PoS) has not been mentioned yet: http://fimk.fi/en/info.html

PS: the basic development philosophy of FIMK may be quite different from the other ones mentioned, as the main development interest and effort is in the communal aspect and every day use - gradual distribution of third of the coins to Finnish citizens as "basic income" over five years, the same time as extra stake rewards are being paid, in gradually lowering curve.
legendary
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It seems that HYP is fairly stable when it comes to recieving gains, so I'd say 4000 sat is cheap Smiley
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I want to buy some more HYP, can't decide if the new 4000+ price is here to stay and cheap, or wait for a dip  Undecided
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Sure,

To start, I am into HighPOS-coins because I think its the smartest way of 'mining' coins. You reading this probably means you kind off figured this out too. But highPOS comes with a potential problem as well: High inflation because coins are multipling themselves, 1 becomes 2 and then 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. Before you know it, the coin supply gets bigger exponentially, which will eventually force their value down in the same pace.

Some months ago, I went digging in the HBN blockchain to see how the monthly inflation rate due to POS-staking was developing in reality. It became clear that in case of HBN it's not spiralling out of control. Not at all, it's actually getting lower every month. HBN seems to be designed in a way that prevents exponential inflation. I have some idea's why but for now, that not the point.

I was wondering whether the other HighPOS coins behaved the same way as HBN or not. CAP is twice the POS rate but compared to HBN similar in design. I am really interested to find out all about CAP-inflation. How high is it? And how does it evolve?

So I am planning on investigating HBN, CAP, TEK and HYP in this respect. I managed to find useable blockexplorers for all of them except CAP. That's why I was asking for some help.  

When I am done, I'll share my findings, I am curious to know what you High-POS-guys think of it!

Inflation doesn't matter as much since these aren't competing to be currencies. I mean you can use them as such, but that would be the same as going into Apple stock with the anticipation that you can then get a "Xapple Card" to sell your Apple stock to buy your latte at Starbucks.

High PoS combines a few aspects:

- Mining/minting masternode: the number of coins you have can be considered to be your "power" in generating more coins. However, unlike the continuous arms race of mining with physical machines, you get an idea of the possible "hash power," i.e., what # of coins you can generate based on the number of coins you have as well as the time it will take to hit a block. If you think about mining say HBN, it's like mining BTC in the early days, since when you hit a block, the whole block is yours. Unlike PoW, however, efforts to hit a block aren't burnt up, so you actually generate more coins once you hit a block later.

- Hedging: At a time when almost every altcoin is a falling knife, high PoS at least rewards holders with a set # of new coins/hashing shares. When say Vericoin can just crash into oblivion since it is purely a speculative play from the same people who brought you Blackcoin, intelligently designed high PoS has a latent value in that, like mining, you can put value in to potentially get more value out.

- Continuous share dilution/creation: If you hold the same number of coins and mint them continuously, you will still have the same % of total coins in the market later, more or less. So if you held 50k HBN now, and just staked for a decade, you'd then have say 1M HBN. It's just a mathematical change. You share of the total network of coins, minting masternodes is more or less the same. This is where it helps to think not simply currency, but something more powerful where "dilution" doesn't matter as much.

with out going into boring details this is what I've been "studying" more or less.

without expecting people to fully understand a PoW system can do a "similar" thing - this is where the study relates to Quark: so think about this (it gets a little socially complex)

-  as it is fully distributed only a seller can sell on you, apart from the EQ
- but as there are many hands in the units (the complex PoW) and the floored initial price etc.
- this means it is the opposite net effect to what the NXT and Black scams did  (they where seeking to improve on the BIT-COIN monopoly.) (because they understood how it was "fake")
- So with lots of trust lost
- every human starts to act in their own self interest.

this leads to a "reserve" situation similar to high PoS - well not exactly the same but a similar effect
its about the absorption  of velocity its similar to what Pressf1 was kind of talking about.

for example Zeta tries to do a similar thing but as its SAH256 it had much less hands, the net result should be that it is not as good a reserve bt will get better in the future , (given that SHA256 is viable)
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Hi Guys, I posted my findings in the CAP-thread where I started it. If you like check it out!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=241445.2640

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That's an interesting take on the matter and I think we are pretty much on the same page here. HighPOS is holding out pretty good over the last year unlike so many others. That's exiciting! My main point of interest is about the last thing you mention. Continuous share dilution/creation. I think you are right by stating that the dynamics of HighPOS are not one on one with currency. That's what's making me curious. I wonder at what pace does this creation/dilution take place? And to what extend it matters or not is also a very interesting question!

But it's quite some work so i'll need some time. Then again, it's sunday and crap weather...  Smiley

Well, this is where I will probably get in trouble and say think of these coins as not currencies, but stocks. Stocks have a certain number of shares outstanding that represent ownership in the company. Let's make the stock a simple one and say its a REIT (real estate investment trust) that owns a single apartment building. We can have 100 shares or 1M shares, but they still represent fractional ownership in the one apartment building. In this case, if I own 10 shares in the first case and 100k shares in the second, I still own 10% of the REIT, apartment building, etc.

This is where you can look at high PoS through the lens of mining/minting masternodes. Say for HBN, right now there are 6,651,104 "shares" on the network. If all these shares stake in the next 10 days, they will produce 133,022 more shares. So buying today, we are buying the minting power that will produce these 133k shares in the next 10 days. If I buy 665,110 HBN "shares" and hold to full stake, I then will have 678,412 HBN, which will still be 10% of share network. I still "own" the same amount of the network.

I'd almost compare some aspects of high PoS to buying hash power on say cex.io and other similar sites. Each site has a limited amount of hash power that is projected to produce a similar amount of coins. One difference is that, unlike cex.io where you compare with other miners, in HBN, you have the total network available and you aren't competing against Betarigs rentals to see what amt of coins you can get.

Let me know if I need to explain more; hopefully this makes sense since I made it up Tongue

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Sure,

To start, I am into HighPOS-coins because I think its the smartest way of 'mining' coins. You reading this probably means you kind off figured this out too. But highPOS comes with a potential problem as well: High inflation because coins are multipling themselves, 1 becomes 2 and then 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. Before you know it, the coin supply gets bigger exponentially, which will eventually force their value down in the same pace.

Some months ago, I went digging in the HBN blockchain to see how the monthly inflation rate due to POS-staking was developing in reality. It became clear that in case of HBN it's not spiralling out of control. Not at all, it's actually getting lower every month. HBN seems to be designed in a way that prevents exponential inflation. I have some idea's why but for now, that not the point.

I was wondering whether the other HighPOS coins behaved the same way as HBN or not. CAP is twice the POS rate but compared to HBN similar in design. I am really interested to find out all about CAP-inflation. How high is it? And how does it evolve?

So I am planning on investigating HBN, CAP, TEK and HYP in this respect. I managed to find useable blockexplorers for all of them except CAP. That's why I was asking for some help. 

When I am done, I'll share my findings, I am curious to know what you High-POS-guys think of it!

Inflation doesn't matter as much since these aren't competing to be currencies. I mean you can use them as such, but that would be the same as going into Apple stock with the anticipation that you can then get a "Xapple Card" to sell your Apple stock to buy your latte at Starbucks.

High PoS combines a few aspects:

- Mining/minting masternode: the number of coins you have can be considered to be your "power" in generating more coins. However, unlike the continuous arms race of mining with physical machines, you get an idea of the possible "hash power," i.e., what # of coins you can generate based on the number of coins you have as well as the time it will take to hit a block. If you think about mining say HBN, it's like mining BTC in the early days, since when you hit a block, the whole block is yours. Unlike PoW, however, efforts to hit a block aren't burnt up, so you actually generate more coins once you hit a block later.

- Hedging: At a time when almost every altcoin is a falling knife, high PoS at least rewards holders with a set # of new coins/hashing shares. When say Vericoin can just crash into oblivion since it is purely a speculative play from the same people who brought you Blackcoin, intelligently designed high PoS has a latent value in that, like mining, you can put value in to potentially get more value out.

- Continuous share dilution/creation: If you hold the same number of coins and mint them continuously, you will still have the same % of total coins in the market later, more or less. So if you held 50k HBN now, and just staked for a decade, you'd then have say 1M HBN. It's just a mathematical change. You share of the total network of coins, minting masternodes is more or less the same. This is where it helps to think not simply currency, but something more powerful where "dilution" doesn't matter as much.

That's an interesting take on the matter and I think we are pretty much on the same page here. HighPOS is holding out pretty good over the last year unlike so many others. That's exiciting! My main point of interest is about the last thing you mention. Continuous share dilution/creation. I think you are right by stating that the dynamics of HighPOS are not one on one with currency. That's what's making me curious. I wonder at what pace does this creation/dilution take place? And to what extend it matters or not is also a very interesting question!

But it's quite some work so i'll need some time. Then again, it's sunday and crap weather...  Smiley


legendary
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Sure,

To start, I am into HighPOS-coins because I think its the smartest way of 'mining' coins. You reading this probably means you kind off figured this out too. But highPOS comes with a potential problem as well: High inflation because coins are multipling themselves, 1 becomes 2 and then 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. Before you know it, the coin supply gets bigger exponentially, which will eventually force their value down in the same pace.

Some months ago, I went digging in the HBN blockchain to see how the monthly inflation rate due to POS-staking was developing in reality. It became clear that in case of HBN it's not spiralling out of control. Not at all, it's actually getting lower every month. HBN seems to be designed in a way that prevents exponential inflation. I have some idea's why but for now, that not the point.

I was wondering whether the other HighPOS coins behaved the same way as HBN or not. CAP is twice the POS rate but compared to HBN similar in design. I am really interested to find out all about CAP-inflation. How high is it? And how does it evolve?

So I am planning on investigating HBN, CAP, TEK and HYP in this respect. I managed to find useable blockexplorers for all of them except CAP. That's why I was asking for some help. 

When I am done, I'll share my findings, I am curious to know what you High-POS-guys think of it!

Inflation doesn't matter as much since these aren't competing to be currencies. I mean you can use them as such, but that would be the same as going into Apple stock with the anticipation that you can then get a "Xapple Card" to sell your Apple stock to buy your latte at Starbucks.

High PoS combines a few aspects:

- Mining/minting masternode: the number of coins you have can be considered to be your "power" in generating more coins. However, unlike the continuous arms race of mining with physical machines, you get an idea of the possible "hash power," i.e., what # of coins you can generate based on the number of coins you have as well as the time it will take to hit a block. If you think about mining say HBN, it's like mining BTC in the early days, since when you hit a block, the whole block is yours. Unlike PoW, however, efforts to hit a block aren't burnt up, so you actually generate more coins once you hit a block later.

- Hedging: At a time when almost every altcoin is a falling knife, high PoS at least rewards holders with a set # of new coins/hashing shares. When say Vericoin can just crash into oblivion since it is purely a speculative play from the same people who brought you Blackcoin, intelligently designed high PoS has a latent value in that, like mining, you can put value in to potentially get more value out.

- Continuous share dilution/creation: If you hold the same number of coins and mint them continuously, you will still have the same % of total coins in the market later, more or less. So if you held 50k HBN now, and just staked for a decade, you'd then have say 1M HBN. It's just a mathematical change. You share of the total network of coins, minting masternodes is more or less the same. This is where it helps to think not simply currency, but something more powerful where "dilution" doesn't matter as much.

This is a prety important post to read because Loaf has it exactly right. PoS is a system based on percentages, rather than amount of coins
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Sure,

To start, I am into HighPOS-coins because I think its the smartest way of 'mining' coins. You reading this probably means you kind off figured this out too. But highPOS comes with a potential problem as well: High inflation because coins are multipling themselves, 1 becomes 2 and then 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. Before you know it, the coin supply gets bigger exponentially, which will eventually force their value down in the same pace.

Some months ago, I went digging in the HBN blockchain to see how the monthly inflation rate due to POS-staking was developing in reality. It became clear that in case of HBN it's not spiralling out of control. Not at all, it's actually getting lower every month. HBN seems to be designed in a way that prevents exponential inflation. I have some idea's why but for now, that not the point.

I was wondering whether the other HighPOS coins behaved the same way as HBN or not. CAP is twice the POS rate but compared to HBN similar in design. I am really interested to find out all about CAP-inflation. How high is it? And how does it evolve?

So I am planning on investigating HBN, CAP, TEK and HYP in this respect. I managed to find useable blockexplorers for all of them except CAP. That's why I was asking for some help. 

When I am done, I'll share my findings, I am curious to know what you High-POS-guys think of it!

Inflation doesn't matter as much since these aren't competing to be currencies. I mean you can use them as such, but that would be the same as going into Apple stock with the anticipation that you can then get a "Xapple Card" to sell your Apple stock to buy your latte at Starbucks.

High PoS combines a few aspects:

- Mining/minting masternode: the number of coins you have can be considered to be your "power" in generating more coins. However, unlike the continuous arms race of mining with physical machines, you get an idea of the possible "hash power," i.e., what # of coins you can generate based on the number of coins you have as well as the time it will take to hit a block. If you think about mining say HBN, it's like mining BTC in the early days, since when you hit a block, the whole block is yours. Unlike PoW, however, efforts to hit a block aren't burnt up, so you actually generate more coins once you hit a block later.

- Hedging: At a time when almost every altcoin is a falling knife, high PoS at least rewards holders with a set # of new coins/hashing shares. When say Vericoin can just crash into oblivion since it is purely a speculative play from the same people who brought you Blackcoin, intelligently designed high PoS has a latent value in that, like mining, you can put value in to potentially get more value out.

- Continuous share dilution/creation: If you hold the same number of coins and mint them continuously, you will still have the same % of total coins in the market later, more or less. So if you held 50k HBN now, and just staked for a decade, you'd then have say 1M HBN. It's just a mathematical change. You share of the total network of coins, minting masternodes is more or less the same. This is where it helps to think not simply currency, but something more powerful where "dilution" doesn't matter as much.
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With this information I can calculate the inflation rate due to expanding supply. I did this already for HBN which revealed some interesting info. 

Can You share with us your thoughts? Smiley

Sure,

To start, I am into HighPOS-coins because I think its the smartest way of 'mining' coins. You reading this probably means you kind off figured this out too. But highPOS comes with a potential problem as well: High inflation because coins are multipling themselves, 1 becomes 2 and then 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. Before you know it, the coin supply gets bigger exponentially, which will eventually force their value down in the same pace.

Some months ago, I went digging in the HBN blockchain to see how the monthly inflation rate due to POS-staking was developing in reality. It became clear that in case of HBN it's not spiralling out of control. Not at all, it's actually getting lower every month. HBN seems to be designed in a way that prevents exponential inflation. I have some idea's why but for now, that not the point.

I was wondering whether the other HighPOS coins behaved the same way as HBN or not. CAP is twice the POS rate but compared to HBN similar in design. I am really interested to find out all about CAP-inflation. How high is it? And how does it evolve?

So I am planning on investigating HBN, CAP, TEK and HYP in this respect. I managed to find useable blockexplorers for all of them except CAP. That's why I was asking for some help. 

When I am done, I'll share my findings, I am curious to know what you High-POS-guys think of it!


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