Topic: CrazyLoaf's CrazySteak(TM) High PoS Investment Journal - page 7. (Read 18543 times)

Thanks very much for the mention. Glad to be a part of your portfolio!

For anyone else interested, here is a peek of what we've been up to 

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-maieuticoin-2014-pos-10kmmxiv-and-ballsmmxiv-markets-now-open-623884

High PoS Investment Society

Would still like to get something like this going. These are quiet coins and a little action can go a long way in them

CrazyLoaf's CrazySteak(TM) 10/5/14 Update

STAKE   NAME   BTC    COINS    AVG COST   CURRENT   VALUE   30-STAKE   ROI   PLACE
750%   HYP   5.46    689,953    0.00000792   0.00002607   17.99   11.07   229%   3
500%   TEK   7.70    52,867    0.00014565   0.00011510   6.08   1.83   -21%   ?
200%   CAP   5.00    199,158    0.00002511   0.00003104   6.18   1.01   24%   7
100%   HBN   8.85    155,117    0.00005705   0.00008377   12.99   0.78   47%   6

Invested is 27.01 BTC. Value is 43.25 BTC. ROI is 60%

ROI is going to be harder to track since I recently made my first coin sale! There was a juicy buy wall in HYP at 2.7k sat and I made 1.54 BTC filling it. Since I've staked over 300k HYP to date, it was pure profits. I'm impressed that HYP was able to take such a large sell.

MMXIV Rebranded - Maieuticoin (M) Investment

While I was looking at some coins, I came across this one. Let's just say I am impressed. MMXIV came out several months ago with 2014 coins. I remember seeing it but not having an interest in it since ultra low count coins have been done before (66, 42, etc.) but they seem to just be joke coins. However, M (currently on Bittrex) has an ultra low coin count (around 2100) AND a 50% PoS rate. I reminds me a little of SYNC, which was supposed to have 100% PoS, but they have made the PoS decline rapidly, making me lose interest in it.

Checking out the order book, a scant 8 BTC takes this coin to 0.1 BTC a coin. The developer has over 42+ pages of posts, so they are very active in this quiet coin. The wallet recently added in-wallet trading via Bittrex API, which I haven't seen in a coin since Cloakcoin. The multipool for the coin (I don't know of too many high PoS coins with one) is pretty slick too (pool.mmxivcoin.com). It looks like it has had decent activity, buying back 0.001%+ of all coins on a daily basis.

Other coin comments

HYP continues to treat me well. Maybe I should rename this the "HyperLoaf Investment Journal"

TEK is currently sitting at a loss. I though my average buy-in of 15k sat was cheap enough, but it looks like buy support is drying up, as is happening in a lot of alts with the BTC crash. However, seller of $300 worth of TEK crashed the price to 4k sat This is near the HYP peak price, so I don't know why anyone would allow the price to drop so low when HYP has x10+ the amount of coins when it traded at that price.

CAP and HBN are quiet and showing damn good rises atm. HBN has brushed with 10k sat a few times, and CAP has been near 4k sat.

ORB Testing

So I still have a few ORB in my wallet, and I'm going to test out the staking. I think the best way of breaking a block is to keep breaking them down into decently sized ones so you can have a few to break down further while others are going through the confirmation process. You can check out Ghostlander's comments on the thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9096173. It looks like the model averages out to 100% PoS due to the mechanics of the coin.

I still wish volume would pick up in the coin (actually, this is something I really wish would happen in all high PoS coins; price I'm less concerned with). It's at least an interesting mechanic and has a lowish coin count.

Not quite sure how you are calculating the distribution numbers. HYP's top 10 wallets hold 22.19% of the coin supply, HBN's top ten wallets hold 29.85% of the coin supply. The top HYP wallet is 4.21% of the supply, top HBN wallet is 7.94% of the supply.

I haven't calculated medians or anything. Do you have those stats? It would be super interesting I think.

i generally agree with this although Caps is up and coming, but i do understand what you mean - both are good Crypto, high stake is interesting.

Hobonickels can attain that position because it is the best distributed of the high PoS coins (having been in a stable staking position for longest).

The others are either much younger, of have undergone more major changes . It's worth checking the number of wallet addresses compared with balances in the rich list : That gives an approximate idea of the distribution, and gives pointers to the possible number of unique individual holders. The median and mode balances are more substantial.

You will know, if you follow all the prices from week to week, that HBN is the most stable.

I am happy to see HBN climb.  I think if HBN positions itself correctly, it can be seen as the stable exchange rate PoS coin to park your money and clip off the stake.

The "only" 20% PoS aside, i have to admit awesome features. Also the SonicVortex App where you cand send crypto hidden in pictures seems nice.

(Not checked it out 100%. I´m playing around with it soon to know it more then maybe we can send us some emails with hidden currency in pictures then? )


lol as you mention SUPER here, i just bought some a while back before and i own some in my craptsy account.Didnt even knew was a PoS Coin, just bought of its name same as SEXCOIN.

Ah and keep up the nice work i´ll keep watching.

Sonic is only 20% PoS. You don't see a compounding effect until 25% based on StakeHunter's analysis. I don't think that's high enough. Also it seems to have the same investment base as SUPER, in that they are looking for anon features vs high PoS. What does everyone else think?

What´s your thoughts on SSD (Sonic Drewdriver) SHA 256 PoS coin?

HBN has been on a nice steady climb recently ! Great to see hit .0001 again today.  Wish I had grabbed more when it was at 0.00005! 

I picked up some more HYP to diversify my own PoS portfolio. Should be interesting to see how fast the coins rolls in from the super-stake.

It will be interesting to compare the BTC volume also...
good job crazyloaf !
!tip crazyloaf 52000

CrazyLoaf's CrazySteak (TM) 9/30/14 Update

Alright, this one has some older point in time data:

STAKE   NAME   BTC    COINS    AVG COST   CURRENT   VALUE   30-STAKE   ROI   PLACE    STAKE#    STAKEVAL
750%   HYP   7.00    676,955    0.00001034   0.00002740   18.55   11.42   165%   3    296,777     8.13
500%   TEK   7.70    49,744    0.00015479   0.00016832   8.37   2.51   9%   ?    9,293     1.56
200%   CAP   5.00    195,640    0.00002556   0.00002960   5.79   0.95   16%   7    28,229     0.84
100%   HBN   8.85    153,484    0.00005766   0.00008566   13.15   0.79   49%   6    12,871     1.10

Investment is 28.55 BTC. Current value is 45.86 BTC. Total value of staked coins 11.63 BTC.

Cool. I think we should get something going. I noticed I didn't post the message I put on other threads on this one, so here it is:

I think a High POS IRC channel is a great idea, it would be a really good way to get more people involved,a place to bounce idea's around and community growth.

Thanks for the comments, David.

I just realized I hate how hard it is to quote just sections off older posts (does anyone know an easy way to do this other than "insert quote" and manually deleting down to the part you want to quote), so forgive me if I don't re-quote you

Re: Performing Coins

I think what we see at effect in HYP and TRK is what happens with just a little community involvement. This is part of the reason why I wanted to get a high PoS IRC channel going. I KNOW we can get some action going on these older, stable coins. The fact is, even now, a lot of people still aren't aware of high PoS coins, and the value proposition of them is much easier to "sell" to people completely new to crypto, especially those with exposure to finance.

On the format of this community, I prefer IRC to other formats since almost everyone already is using IRC and it allows for live communication as well as easily integrable things like tipbots and all that. Honestly, I don't like making accounts willy-nilly, and I think others are like me. Reduce barriers to action.

Re: Automated Coin Control

I think this could be an interesting development. I'm lazy. All I've done is break my HYP into 1600 HYP blocks and let them ride. I'm fine with a lower rate for less work since at the end of the day, in the long-run, I should be getting the same rate. Too much work, even once, can turn people off to a coin, especially if it is their first exposure to that style of coin. What would a person thinking about high PoS think if say Battlecoin (BCX) was their first coin? The wallet is old and missing GUI based unlocking features. Not everyone is familiar with RPC.

Re: Address Analysis

I'd appreciate if someone does the same for HBN and TEK I haven't been doing this so far and we've gotten really good analysis from others. TEK as far as I know doesn't have a richlist at the moment that is updated.

Notice the higher-performing coins are the one with a recent new great dev (presstab and maybe me for HYP, noise23 for TRK). HBN has of course a great dev, but he is there since long. Is there a "wow great takeover" effect at work?

noise23 from TRK told me he will take it over if Unick doesn't go back.

We are working on automating this, to prevent giving too much of an advantage to those who "go manual". I mentionned it in the HDJ ("Where no coin has gone before"): "Ultimately, only devoted holders will do it, so it would lead to a concentration of coins. Worst-case scenario, it would lead to the coin being abandonned, because it is "too cumbersome to manage". An automated system would act as an equalizer. One more thing to consider for future coding."

Crazy, could you check HBN and TEK too, to say how many of the highest addresses are not staking? To compare with HYP, where the top 5 are stacking.

AT the BTC castle You're welcome to come, book you flight with your stake

Well-written!

very nice topic, shame EXCL is small stake so wont fit here

Awesome Presstab! I say we call this the PressDex or something like that Anyone else, feel free to start posting whatever you want high PoS on here. If we get enough routine updates from other people such as journals and coin/strategy analysis, I'll change the OP to better explain what is going on in the thread and who's doing what. Thanks

I think this is the best place to leave my PoS index chart updates (CrazyLoaf calls it the presstab index  )

This index tracks price (taken daily) as well as staking.  The index starts from July 8th, 2 days after the launch of HYP, when it was trading for 1,000 sats.  This is why the increase in HYP value is so massive, well that and the fact that staking is massive.


Taking HYP out to give better perspective on the others:



% BTC value change for each since July 8th:

PeerCoin: 108.9%
Philosophers Stones: 195.5%
HoboNickels: 139.3%
GrowthCoin: 87.7% (this coin is pretty silent now)
BottleCaps: 151.2%
TruckCoin: 444.2%
TEKcoin: 88.7% (adjusted stake rate to 300% in calcs after fork)
HyperStake: 1227.7%

Average: 305.4% - These PoS coins are doing great!