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September 21, 2022, 03:39:53 AM
ICC funding policy is a joke when it comes to associate nations. They could potentially solve this issue if the ICC stop romanticizing test cricket for the associate nations and just focus on T-20.

Also about the highlighted part, if that was the case then BCCI will run away with more than 50% of revenue because ICC's 70-80% revenue comes from the Indian market only.
Here I agree now it's time for changes and ICC need to be done this as well if they are serious about better future of this game and try to encourage teams for T-20 format instead of all formats because this is nothing positive for this game and good future of this game even I feel they need to be generous about India as they are surely the biggest shareholder in revenue, so they deserve big part of this profit as well but here now also time for changing in ICC system is also needed which will bring good increase in revenue and lifelike for many countries which are going to be in cricket specially like West Indies, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh which are not good and have no enough quality for test format because this need good investment and better structure which is not possible with current financial situation in these countries.

In long run they need to have thought about just two formats like test and T20 with leagues like T10 and The Hundred depend on boards own commitment because this is currently not suitable for them as well but can play good role in future for many new teams.
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September 21, 2022, 12:58:41 AM
~snip~

The problem is I don't think ICC is going to give the amount of money depending on how many native players they have on the team. They are always going to give money depending on how much revenue each team can make. And currently, they are not giving any penalties for having the whole team made out of foreign players. And as long as ICC does not take any steps against it the teams are also not going to change the way of having the whole team made out of foreign players.
ICC funding policy is a joke when it comes to associate nations. They could potentially solve this issue if the ICC stop romanticizing test cricket for the associate nations and just focus on T-20.

Also about the highlighted part, if that was the case then BCCI will run away with more than 50% of revenue because ICC's 70-80% revenue comes from the Indian market only.

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September 20, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
Naah, ICC is trying.

They are organizing qualifier in the pacific region for T20 world cup 2024, and those teams consist of native players.
Vanuatu just qualified from Qualifier A, and will be playing against Philippines, Papua new guinea and another team from Qualifier B.

Qualifier B consist of japan, south korea and Indonesia. It starts from October 15 and you can watch it for free at ICC's website. I was watching QUalifier A and it was pretty fun. These teams had good quality batsmen and fielders, but they lack good bowlers.

Cricket is definitely expanding, it has seen many new additions in the last decade. Its expansion in new countries also depends on their culture. ICC needs to target school children and promote cricket to them. Which they are already doing in pacific region, not sure about Western hemisphere. It's a very loooong and slow process.

Pacific teams (especially PNG and Fiji) are not dependent on foreign players, as they have a long cricketing history. But recently these teams have seen their fund inflows reduced to 5% or 10% of the previous amounts, due to the changes in distribution criteria. Most of the ICC funds now go to teams with foreigners such as Oman, United States and UAE, because these teams are able to win matches as a result of their foreign imports.

I would classify associate nations to three categories:

Category A: Teams with nearly 100% native players - Scotland, Namibia, Nepal, PNG, Vanuatu, Argentina, Israel, Myanmar, Iran.etc. These teams in general are getting more and more irrelevant, as they are unable to compete against teams such as Oman who pack their XI with foreigners. Only exceptions are Scotland and Namibia.

Category B: Teams that used to have 100% native players, but now transforming towards 100% foreigner composition - Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Japan.etc. These teams want to stay competitive and they realize that the only way to do that is to pack their teams with foreigners. Two decades ago, 90% of the players in the Denmark team used to be natives. Now they usually have XI without any native players.

Category C: Teams with 100% foreign composition - UAE, United States, Singapore, Hong Kong, Oman.etc. These countries doesn't have any native players and no one supports their matches from their respective countries. But in the end, they end up with the largest chunk of the ICC revenues, because they are able to defeat teams comprised of natives.

The problem is I don't think ICC is going to give the amount of money depending on how many native players they have on the team. They are always going to give money depending on how much revenue each team can make. And currently, they are not giving any penalties for having the whole team made out of foreign players. And as long as ICC does not take any steps against it the teams are also not going to change the way of having the whole team made out of foreign players.
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September 19, 2022, 09:01:09 PM
Naah, ICC is trying.

They are organizing qualifier in the pacific region for T20 world cup 2024, and those teams consist of native players.
Vanuatu just qualified from Qualifier A, and will be playing against Philippines, Papua new guinea and another team from Qualifier B.

Qualifier B consist of japan, south korea and Indonesia. It starts from October 15 and you can watch it for free at ICC's website. I was watching QUalifier A and it was pretty fun. These teams had good quality batsmen and fielders, but they lack good bowlers.

Cricket is definitely expanding, it has seen many new additions in the last decade. Its expansion in new countries also depends on their culture. ICC needs to target school children and promote cricket to them. Which they are already doing in pacific region, not sure about Western hemisphere. It's a very loooong and slow process.

Pacific teams (especially PNG and Fiji) are not dependent on foreign players, as they have a long cricketing history. But recently these teams have seen their fund inflows reduced to 5% or 10% of the previous amounts, due to the changes in distribution criteria. Most of the ICC funds now go to teams with foreigners such as Oman, United States and UAE, because these teams are able to win matches as a result of their foreign imports.

I would classify associate nations to three categories:

Category A: Teams with nearly 100% native players - Scotland, Namibia, Nepal, PNG, Vanuatu, Argentina, Israel, Myanmar, Iran.etc. These teams in general are getting more and more irrelevant, as they are unable to compete against teams such as Oman who pack their XI with foreigners. Only exceptions are Scotland and Namibia.

Category B: Teams that used to have 100% native players, but now transforming towards 100% foreigner composition - Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Japan.etc. These teams want to stay competitive and they realize that the only way to do that is to pack their teams with foreigners. Two decades ago, 90% of the players in the Denmark team used to be natives. Now they usually have XI without any native players.

Category C: Teams with 100% foreign composition - UAE, United States, Singapore, Hong Kong, Oman.etc. These countries doesn't have any native players and no one supports their matches from their respective countries. But in the end, they end up with the largest chunk of the ICC revenues, because they are able to defeat teams comprised of natives.
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September 19, 2022, 02:39:05 PM
India who has biggest league for men has no money to start women IPl. Indian players are not allowed to play in any Premier league while women players are asked to play foreign leagues to get necessary experience. Till the time boards start taking women cricket seriously there is little scope for women cricket.
Really feeling shame for them as these women's are doing amazing job in last few years but sadly no positive things happening for them in their own country where BCCI is having world's most prestigious franchise league and having the biggest profit in sports industry around the world really sick mind peoples are these who doing things like this because they can manage this easily even having some lost which is affordable for them because they are fearing few things are going to be not good for them, but they have to start as this could be good and positive if they look into long run.

Australia and England doing good job even they are having small market instead of India, and they are having nothing positive just because of their poor tactics which are surely not going to help them if they are not going to work in this way as well.
That was indeed the case before but

For good reasons BCCI has changed its mindset and now trying to set up WIPL too, we were discussing this couple of months back when they made a new announcement regarding WIPL.

BCCI seems to have a change of heart nowadays, first handing over incentives to ground staff and now news coming out that they are actively working towards Women IPL. They are in talks with other cricket boards and ICC for separate window for WIPL.

Key points:
- 6 teams
- Existing IPL franchise already showing some interest (KKR, RR and CSK)
- Suitable window -March- just before the Men's IPL.
https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/cricket/2022/jun/01/march-2023-likely-to-see-inaugural-womens-indian-premier-league-2460500.html
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September 19, 2022, 01:02:22 PM
India who has biggest league for men has no money to start women IPl. Indian players are not allowed to play in any Premier league while women players are asked to play foreign leagues to get necessary experience. Till the time boards start taking women cricket seriously there is little scope for women cricket.
Really feeling shame for them as these women's are doing amazing job in last few years but sadly no positive things happening for them in their own country where BCCI is having world's most prestigious franchise league and having the biggest profit in sports industry around the world really sick mind peoples are these who doing things like this because they can manage this easily even having some lost which is affordable for them because they are fearing few things are going to be not good for them, but they have to start as this could be good and positive if they look into long run.

Australia and England doing good job even they are having small market instead of India, and they are having nothing positive just because of their poor tactics which are surely not going to help them if they are not going to work in this way as well.
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September 19, 2022, 11:20:58 AM
Maybe you mean Asad Rauf,  player and Umpire from Pakistan cricket who recently died at the age of 66 years.
In terms of career Asad Rauf is well known in Cricket world. After undergoing the Last A List match on October 2, 1991, it did not stop there Asad Rauf continue his career as a Umpire at One Day International (ODI) in 2000. And it continue to make his name known in Cricket before ending in 2013.

Yes he was no doubt a great umpire and member of ICC elite panel of umpire. He umpired 64 tests, 139 ODI and 28 T20I. He has a good going career that ended when he was banned for 5 years by ICC on charges of misconduct and corruption. May the departed soul rest in peace.
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September 19, 2022, 11:01:07 AM
I was wondering after listening the news of Pak umpaire Asad Ruaf.
They all were star once and when their career ends they are no more in lime - such is the brief fame of glitter and glam and that is what the life is
I also believe Sangakkara is good choice.

Maybe you mean Asad Rauf,  player and Umpire from Pakistan cricket who recently died at the age of 66 years.
In terms of career Asad Rauf is well known in Cricket world. After undergoing the Last A List match on October 2, 1991, it did not stop there Asad Rauf continue his career as a Umpire at One Day International (ODI) in 2000. And it continue to make his name known in Cricket before ending in 2013.
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Women's cricket team is now well known as compared to the previous. People may not watch their games in the gallery but they are more popular online or in TV media. But if this continues, women's cricket may become more popular in the future. At present, England, New Zealand, India and Australia are performing well.

India who has biggest league for men has no money to start women IPl. Indian players are not allowed to play in any Premier league while women players are asked to play foreign leagues to get necessary experience. Till the time boards start taking women cricket seriously there is little scope for women cricket.
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September 19, 2022, 01:28:00 AM
Since there are no big-4 in women's cricket as far as I am aware, I honestly believe that women's cricket is going to improve a lot faster than men's cricket given the fact there is no big-4 in women's cricket. Thus, there is no restriction whatsoever on the number of teams that are going to be taking part in the World Cup. In men's cricket, however, the big four are very careful about losing the territory they have acquired over the years. Furthermore, I believe that they have a good deal of authority over the International Cricket Council. They don't want to lose that and that is a big reason why they really don't want too many teams playing cricket regularly. I think the improvement in women's cricket is already very visible compared to men's cricket.
In women cricket there is no big 4 but big 3 i.e. Australia, Newzealand and England. The irony is that no board less these 3 countries is taking women cricket seriously. Also there is not much viewership for women cricket. As long as there are not many countries in men cricket there won't by many in women.
There are many factors for having things like this because Women sports are having many issues in many regions specially in Asia and Africa with there is no good opportunities for them and mostly women's in dark age but with these events things are changing, and we have some bright side as well which will be good and well-developed with events like these surely going to encourage good number of countries to bring women in their main stream for games which is good and important for positive changes.

After having too many young girls teams feeling good as these can bring good change but here we need some tough check and balance like mostly native girls need more exposure because if they are not going to have policy then surely this is not going to be had any positivity in these events.

It seems to me that the biggest problem in women's cricket at the moment is the lack of viewership. This is because they are so used to watching men's cricket. Therefore, when people watch women's cricket they expect lightning pace, powerful hitting, and very agile fielding, which is probably too challenging for women. There is no intention on my part to offend anyone. I am just stating a few facts that I believe to be true.

In addition, it must also be noted that there is a perception that the other teams don't really take women's cricket seriously except for England, Australia, and New Zealand. Nevertheless, I really believe that women's cricket has the potential to generate more revenue as compared to men's cricket in the future.

Women's cricket team is now well known as compared to the previous. People may not watch their games in the gallery but they are more popular online or in TV media. But if this continues, women's cricket may become more popular in the future. At present, England, New Zealand, India and Australia are performing well.
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September 18, 2022, 09:28:14 PM
Since there are no big-4 in women's cricket as far as I am aware, I honestly believe that women's cricket is going to improve a lot faster than men's cricket given the fact there is no big-4 in women's cricket. Thus, there is no restriction whatsoever on the number of teams that are going to be taking part in the World Cup. In men's cricket, however, the big four are very careful about losing the territory they have acquired over the years. Furthermore, I believe that they have a good deal of authority over the International Cricket Council. They don't want to lose that and that is a big reason why they really don't want too many teams playing cricket regularly. I think the improvement in women's cricket is already very visible compared to men's cricket.
In women cricket there is no big 4 but big 3 i.e. Australia, Newzealand and England. The irony is that no board less these 3 countries is taking women cricket seriously. Also there is not much viewership for women cricket. As long as there are not many countries in men cricket there won't by many in women.
There are many factors for having things like this because Women sports are having many issues in many regions specially in Asia and Africa with there is no good opportunities for them and mostly women's in dark age but with these events things are changing, and we have some bright side as well which will be good and well-developed with events like these surely going to encourage good number of countries to bring women in their main stream for games which is good and important for positive changes.

After having too many young girls teams feeling good as these can bring good change but here we need some tough check and balance like mostly native girls need more exposure because if they are not going to have policy then surely this is not going to be had any positivity in these events.

It seems to me that the biggest problem in women's cricket at the moment is the lack of viewership. This is because they are so used to watching men's cricket. Therefore, when people watch women's cricket they expect lightning pace, powerful hitting, and very agile fielding, which is probably too challenging for women. There is no intention on my part to offend anyone. I am just stating a few facts that I believe to be true.

In addition, it must also be noted that there is a perception that the other teams don't really take women's cricket seriously except for England, Australia, and New Zealand. Nevertheless, I really believe that women's cricket has the potential to generate more revenue as compared to men's cricket in the future.
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September 18, 2022, 06:48:03 PM
^^ If i am being honest then I would say Ganguly was much better choice back in 2018-19.

But after his recent gig, i hardly doubt if he deserves ICC President's chair, the way he managed the team or BCCI affairs in recent times, not to mention those shitty leaks. He deserves to kick out but unfortunately, it's not going to happen.

Kicked out and replaced by whom? Ex players such as Sachin and Laxman are not interested in administration. Guys like Wasim Jaffer have been accused of nepotism. Then obvious choice would be members of mafia such as Supriya Sule, Rupa Gurunath and Kalanithi Maran. Unless there is a suitable replacement, I would rather prefer Ganguly. And for the post of ICC chairman, my first preference is Kumar Sangakkara. He has hinted his interest in the past, but the issue is that the SLCB is not ready to support him.

Personally, my first preference will be Kumar Sangakkara over Sourav Ganguly as I think Sangakkara would be a better fit for the chairman position as I don't think Sourav Ganguly has done that good in recent times Plus Sangakkara seems like a humble being in your opinion.  I think this selection is going to be crucial for the future of cricket in general so I think the voting needs to be done in a correct manner  to save cricket.
I was wondering after listening the news of Pak umpaire Asad Ruaf.
They all were star once and when their career ends they are no more in lime - such is the brief fame of glitter and glam and that is what the life is
I also believe Sangakkara is good choice.
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Despite the various negativity of the ICC, there are some positive aspects that will be able to expand cricket. There are now around 79 teams in the ICC T20 Ranking list. The United States is not left out. If these countries practice cricket regularly, the number of cricket fans will increase as well as the number of competitors. Above all cricket will develop all over the world.

There may be 79 teams in ICC panel but hardly 10 are of level to play in icc worldcup. Majority of teams are either made up of expats or immigrants from South Asia. There are very few associate teams that have local players and that's the primary reason why cricket is not expanding.

Naah, ICC is trying.

They are organizing qualifier in the pacific region for T20 world cup 2024, and those teams consist of native players.
Vanuatu just qualified from Qualifier A, and will be playing against Philippines, Papua new guinea and another team from Qualifier B.

Qualifier B consist of japan, south korea and Indonesia. It starts from October 15 and you can watch it for free at ICC's website. I was watching QUalifier A and it was pretty fun. These teams had good quality batsmen and fielders, but they lack good bowlers.

Cricket is definitely expanding, it has seen many new additions in the last decade. Its expansion in new countries also depends on their culture. ICC needs to target school children and promote cricket to them. Which they are already doing in pacific region, not sure about Western hemisphere. It's a very loooong and slow process.
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September 18, 2022, 04:42:20 PM
Consequently, it means that the women's World Cup will consist of more teams than the men's World Cup Cheesy, which is quite surprising to me since there are teams such as the USA on the list of teams that will be competing in the tournament.

Bringing cricket to the Western world is a great step in the right direction, and I am curious to see how the USA performs in this tournament in order to help expand cricket to this part of the world. Having said that, I do believe that Australia has a really good chance of winning this tournament since they seem to be looking quite good in my opinion, so let's hope that this will be a very competitive and nail-biting tournament.
A good change from ICC as they are having 16 teams in this event as mostly from regular countries, but I am feeling happy with three teams as we have USA, Indonesia and Rwanda which is good, but sadly we have no team from Thailand, Nepal and Latin America because we need some good exposure in this region as well and secondly are mostly teams are from native citizens or no this is also important because if they fail to bring them which is important then surely we are not going to have any positive result from event like this.

USA could be big and good for the game of cricket because this is huge market and having too many migrants from subcontinent and Africa which is also good, and these factors can help ICC for increasing their revenue and good changes which are important but not possible due to small market and depended on just few countries.
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September 18, 2022, 04:40:31 PM
Since there are no big-4 in women's cricket as far as I am aware, I honestly believe that women's cricket is going to improve a lot faster than men's cricket given the fact there is no big-4 in women's cricket. Thus, there is no restriction whatsoever on the number of teams that are going to be taking part in the World Cup. In men's cricket, however, the big four are very careful about losing the territory they have acquired over the years. Furthermore, I believe that they have a good deal of authority over the International Cricket Council. They don't want to lose that and that is a big reason why they really don't want too many teams playing cricket regularly. I think the improvement in women's cricket is already very visible compared to men's cricket.
In women cricket there is no big 4 but big 3 i.e. Australia, Newzealand and England. The irony is that no board less these 3 countries is taking women cricket seriously. Also there is not much viewership for women cricket. As long as there are not many countries in men cricket there won't by many in women.
There are many factors for having things like this because Women sports are having many issues in many regions specially in Asia and Africa with there is no good opportunities for them and mostly women's in dark age but with these events things are changing, and we have some bright side as well which will be good and well-developed with events like these surely going to encourage good number of countries to bring women in their main stream for games which is good and important for positive changes.

After having too many young girls teams feeling good as these can bring good change but here we need some tough check and balance like mostly native girls need more exposure because if they are not going to have policy then surely this is not going to be had any positivity in these events.
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Since there are no big-4 in women's cricket as far as I am aware, I honestly believe that women's cricket is going to improve a lot faster than men's cricket given the fact there is no big-4 in women's cricket. Thus, there is no restriction whatsoever on the number of teams that are going to be taking part in the World Cup. In men's cricket, however, the big four are very careful about losing the territory they have acquired over the years. Furthermore, I believe that they have a good deal of authority over the International Cricket Council. They don't want to lose that and that is a big reason why they really don't want too many teams playing cricket regularly. I think the improvement in women's cricket is already very visible compared to men's cricket.

In women cricket there is no big 4 but big 3 i.e. Australia, Newzealand and England. The irony is that no board less these 3 countries is taking women cricket seriously. Also there is not much viewership for women cricket. As long as there are not many countries in men cricket there won't by many in women.
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September 18, 2022, 10:54:54 AM
Despite the various negativity of the ICC, there are some positive aspects that will be able to expand cricket. There are now around 79 teams in the ICC T20 Ranking list. The United States is not left out. If these countries practice cricket regularly, the number of cricket fans will increase as well as the number of competitors. Above all cricket will develop all over the world.

There may be 79 teams in ICC panel but hardly 10 are of level to play in icc worldcup. Majority of teams are either made up of expats or immigrants from South Asia. There are very few associate teams that have local players and that's the primary reason why cricket is not expanding.
But if this initiative had been taken earlier, we might have got some good teams. I support this initiative even though it is belated. If ICC really wants to make the world of cricket bigger then they will be able to do this. It sounds like the ICC only does show work but they don't really take any action.
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September 18, 2022, 09:51:48 AM
Despite the various negativity of the ICC, there are some positive aspects that will be able to expand cricket. There are now around 79 teams in the ICC T20 Ranking list. The United States is not left out. If these countries practice cricket regularly, the number of cricket fans will increase as well as the number of competitors. Above all cricket will develop all over the world.

There may be 79 teams in ICC panel but hardly 10 are of level to play in icc worldcup. Majority of teams are either made up of expats or immigrants from South Asia. There are very few associate teams that have local players and that's the primary reason why cricket is not expanding.

Since there are no big-4 in women's cricket as far as I am aware, I honestly believe that women's cricket is going to improve a lot faster than men's cricket given the fact there is no big-4 in women's cricket. Thus, there is no restriction whatsoever on the number of teams that are going to be taking part in the World Cup. In men's cricket, however, the big four are very careful about losing the territory they have acquired over the years. Furthermore, I believe that they have a good deal of authority over the International Cricket Council. They don't want to lose that and that is a big reason why they really don't want too many teams playing cricket regularly. I think the improvement in women's cricket is already very visible compared to men's cricket.
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September 18, 2022, 04:10:19 AM
Despite the various negativity of the ICC, there are some positive aspects that will be able to expand cricket. There are now around 79 teams in the ICC T20 Ranking list. The United States is not left out. If these countries practice cricket regularly, the number of cricket fans will increase as well as the number of competitors. Above all cricket will develop all over the world.

There may be 79 teams in ICC panel but hardly 10 are of level to play in icc worldcup. Majority of teams are either made up of expats or immigrants from South Asia. There are very few associate teams that have local players and that's the primary reason why cricket is not expanding.
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September 18, 2022, 01:43:23 AM
Schedule has been announced for the inaugural ICC U19 Women's T20 World Cup. There will be 4 groups of four teams each.

Group A: Australia, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, USA
Group B: England, Pakistan, Zimbabwe, Rwanda
Group C: Ireland, Indonesia, New Zealand, West Indies
Group D: India, South Africa, UAE, Scotland.

Some of the good women's teams are missing, including Nepal, Thailand and Netherlands. Top 6 teams will qualify for the super-six phase and four teams from that phase will enter the semi-finals.   

Consequently, it means that the women's World Cup will consist of more teams than the men's World Cup Cheesy, which is quite surprising to me since there are teams such as the USA on the list of teams that will be competing in the tournament.

Bringing cricket to the Western world is a great step in the right direction, and I am curious to see how the USA performs in this tournament in order to help expand cricket to this part of the world. Having said that, I do believe that Australia has a really good chance of winning this tournament since they seem to be looking quite good in my opinion, so let's hope that this will be a very competitive and nail-biting tournament.
Despite the various negativity of the ICC, there are some positive aspects that will be able to expand cricket. There are now around 79 teams in the ICC T20 Ranking list. The United States is not left out. If these countries practice cricket regularly, the number of cricket fans will increase as well as the number of competitors. Above all cricket will develop all over the world.
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