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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 29, 2022, 09:08:08 PM

It may be a non-issue for you, but not for me. Nowhere in the world, foreigners are allowed to constitute 100% of the playing XI in any other sport. 99% of the other sports have a requirement that only citizens can play for national teams and the remaining 1% allow 1 or 2 foreigners at the most. And in cricket a majority of the teams doesn't have a single citizen in the "national" teams.

And many of these players arrived on GCC nations on tourist visa (and not on job visa). They become eligible to play for these countries after 6 months of residence. The eligibility criteria in cricket is a joke.

Most of the peoples are having no idea what they are talking and what is issue because they never understand beauty of the game right now as things are going for GCC it is surely punishable because I am personally feeling these things never been allowed you to are not having any player from native country and team is participating in big events like Asia Cup, and then they can go into World Cup it is completely nonsense but here ICC is doing all hypocrisy just because of few personal likes and dislikes which are never been good for the game of cricket.

Here many countries with native players are going to suffer badly if they want to do these things then surely we need a policy player which are living in country for four or five years they should be allowed instead of which are coming on visit visa and enjoying and the after few months they are not having any chance agree about this ICC is doing good jokes with this game.

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An incredible article by journalist Sidharth Monga, I suggest everyone to read it.

I've said this many times, BCCI does hold the financial power but the media narrative is always controlled by England and Australia completely.

Some would say the recent runout by Deepti Sharma against England took cricketing world by storm and now calling out SENA countries (ENG +AUS) hypocrisy openly.

Why is there stigma involved in running out a non-striker? Because it's all about power

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Australia's "hard but fair" cricket is an abstract notion that accommodates illustrious captains claiming catches off the ground, vicious sledging, their batters insinuating chucking when walking off after being dismissed by a bowler but crying murder when Virat Kohli questions their captain's integrity. When someone sledges them back, there miraculously appears a line that cannot be crossed, which is drawn by Australia and whose location only they know.

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Using a lozenge to attain reverse swing is fine in England till such time as others do it or do it in a different way. The definitions of an ideal pitch that often emerge when a Test ends in two days in Asia disappear when the old ball is seaming around prodigiously in the second innings as it did in the recent two-day Test at The Oval. Such sermons often flow from these two countries, and are sometimes backed by New Zealand and South Africa.

This one is interesting, evidence based research by Peter Della Penna on a particular runout incident which took place in 3rd match (IND vs ENG)
https://twitter.com/PeterDellaPenna/status/1573979090784223234

Additional twitter thread by Harsha Bhogle on same topic.
https://twitter.com/bhogleharsha/status/1575773686082465792

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Quote from: n0ne on September 29, 2022, 06:05:41 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on September 29, 2022, 04:56:37 PM

As far as i know these GCC countries are not scouting players from other countries but rather they are in the team because they migrated to that country searching for a job and then end up playing Cricket and then getting including in the national team by building a career playing club Cricket.

Most players of the GCC teams were from Asian countries, particularly from Pakistan and India. They've migrated into GCC countries for job and professional career, by some reason few have ended up playing cricket. If the GCC countries specific boards were quite comfortable with it. So, this is no more an issue.

It may be a non-issue for you, but not for me. Nowhere in the world, foreigners are allowed to constitute 100% of the playing XI in any other sport. 99% of the other sports have a requirement that only citizens can play for national teams and the remaining 1% allow 1 or 2 foreigners at the most. And in cricket a majority of the teams doesn't have a single citizen in the "national" teams.

And many of these players arrived on GCC nations on tourist visa (and not on job visa). They become eligible to play for these countries after 6 months of residence. The eligibility criteria in cricket is a joke.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 29, 2022, 04:56:37 PM

As far as i know these GCC countries are not scouting players from other countries but rather they are in the team because they migrated to that country searching for a job and then end up playing Cricket and then getting including in the national team by building a career playing club Cricket.

Most players of the GCC teams were from Asian countries, particularly from Pakistan and India. They've migrated into GCC countries for job and professional career, by some reason few have ended up playing cricket. If the GCC countries specific boards were quite comfortable with it. So, this is no more an issue.

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Quote from: DanWalker on September 29, 2022, 02:30:17 PM

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Unless ICC takes any kind of action against this I don't think this problem is going to be solved. The fact that other teams are also going to make their first 11 out of foreign players is going to push them to do the same thing.

ICC will not be taking any action and none of the Emirati or GCC nations will riot even if they fill the team with foreign players as literally there is no GCC citizen is playing the game and you cannot say the same with any other country which is taking the game of Cricket seriously as there will be serious protest from the players if any board thinks about filling with outside players Wink

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As far as i know these GCC countries are not scouting players from other countries but rather they are in the team because they migrated to that country searching for a job and then end up playing Cricket and then getting including in the national team by building a career playing club Cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 29, 2022, 06:37:36 AM

The first match in ICC Under-19 World Cup Qualifier Asia Division Two has been won by Oman by a massive margin of 201 runs. It was disappointing since Bhutan playing XI was 100% native, while the Oman team was 100% comprised of foreigners. Aryan Bisht scored 60, and Oman reached a total of 255/9 in 50 overs. Karma Dorji picked up 3 wickets, while Rigser Namgyel and Anand Mongar picked 2 wickets each. In return, Bhutan was bowled out for a total of 54 runs in 20.5 overs. The scorecard is here:

https://www.icc-cricket.com/match/101256#scorecard

This is a really massive win for the Oman under-19 team. Honestly, I have to say that I expected a lot more from Bhutan's under-19 team. At the very least, it was expected that they would play the entire 50 overs. It is my belief that there is a very important reason why Oman did so well against Bhutan, and that is that they have a team that is made up of 100 percent expatriates.

Unless ICC takes any kind of action against this I don't think this problem is going to be solved. The fact that other teams are also going to make their first 11 out of foreign players is going to push them to do the same thing.

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Quote from: Ayers on September 28, 2022, 03:27:37 PM

I think that Pakistan can take some positives from this and that is they know they have the firepower in the bowling department to defend even a very low total. And Pakistan will remember that they have to do well as a team in the batting department. Currently, the batting lineup of Pakistan is not being able to perform together as a unit. That is a very big weakness for Pakistan.

They will have to remember that only one or two players performing each match are not going to be enough for them. Pakistan was very lucky that they had good bowlers. That's why they could win by 9 runs in that match against Netherlands. Otherwise, it would have been a big upset.

Pakistan is mostly having good side, but sadly their inner politics is also involved in selection which is bigger concern in recent time as well they are sticking with few players for long time even their performance is not as they have to be, and they have few good players like Sharjeel Khan, Shoaib Malik and Haider Ali which are not having enough chances in last few months which is also not good because right now it's good time for having them into team and take good advantage but again and again sticking with failures are bringing them into big hole.

In last two matches against England their batting going down badly but bowling helping in good way which is good combination but still it's time for having few changes and bringing few other players as well which are capable of giving their best for the team in long run.

@Ayers I believe that Pakistan is a team that’s capable of beating the big team’s, but they’re not consistent at all which makes it’s difficult to predict how they’ll perform in the World Cup. Furthermore I would not advise to wager big on them even if you’re getting tempting odds, but do monitor their performances and if you see improvement in their form then it won’t be a bad idea to wager small amounts on them.

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The first match in ICC Under-19 World Cup Qualifier Asia Division Two has been won by Oman by a massive margin of 201 runs. It was disappointing since Bhutan playing XI was 100% native, while the Oman team was 100% comprised of foreigners. Aryan Bisht scored 60, and Oman reached a total of 255/9 in 50 overs. Karma Dorji picked up 3 wickets, while Rigser Namgyel and Anand Mongar picked 2 wickets each. In return, Bhutan was bowled out for a total of 54 runs in 20.5 overs. The scorecard is here:

https://www.icc-cricket.com/match/101256#scorecard

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Quote from: Ayers on September 28, 2022, 03:27:37 PM

I think that Pakistan can take some positives from this and that is they know they have the firepower in the bowling department to defend even a very low total. And Pakistan will remember that they have to do well as a team in the batting department. Currently, the batting lineup of Pakistan is not being able to perform together as a unit. That is a very big weakness for Pakistan.

They will have to remember that only one or two players performing each match are not going to be enough for them. Pakistan was very lucky that they had good bowlers. That's why they could win by 9 runs in that match against Netherlands. Otherwise, it would have been a big upset.

Pakistan is mostly having good side, but sadly their inner politics is also involved in selection which is bigger concern in recent time as well they are sticking with few players for long time even their performance is not as they have to be, and they have few good players like Sharjeel Khan, Shoaib Malik and Haider Ali which are not having enough chances in last few months which is also not good because right now it's good time for having them into team and take good advantage but again and again sticking with failures are bringing them into big hole.

In last two matches against England their batting going down badly but bowling helping in good way which is good combination but still it's time for having few changes and bringing few other players as well which are capable of giving their best for the team in long run.

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From today onwards, the ICC Under-19 World Cup Qualifier Asia Division Two will start. A total of 8 teams are taking part - Hong Kong, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Thailand, Bahrain and Bhutan. Disappointed to see China and Iran pulling out. The top two teams from this tournament will join Kuwait, Malaysia, Nepal and the United Arab Emirates for Division 1 tournament (from where the top team would qualify for the 2024 Under-19 Cricket World Cup). Simultaneously, qualifying tournaments are taking place in Africa, Americas, EAP and Europe.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 26, 2022, 09:57:14 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on September 25, 2022, 12:20:56 PM

You are right. There was a game between Netherlands and Pakistan in which Pakistan just scored 206 runs and it was bowlers that saved the day for Pakistan. From both these tour of Srilanka and Netherlands its very much clear that Pakistan is not a good test and odi side.

Yeah.. we are talking about the 3rd ODI between these two sides, in which Pakistan won by just 9 runs. Apart from Babar Azam (91) all the other Pakistani batsmen failed in this match. But historically, Netherlands has been strong in the pace bowling department. Remember the 2003 World Cup match between India and Netherlands? India were bowled out for just 204 runs (two runs less than what Pakistan made). Back then it was Tim de Leede who wrecked the Indian batting lineup. And 19 years later, it was his son (Bas de Leede) who bowled out Pakistan for 206.

I think that Pakistan can take some positives from this and that is they know they have the firepower in the bowling department to defend even a very low total. And Pakistan will remember that they have to do well as a team in the batting department. Currently, the batting lineup of Pakistan is not being able to perform together as a unit. That is a very big weakness for Pakistan.

They will have to remember that only one or two players performing each match are not going to be enough for them. Pakistan was very lucky that they had good bowlers. That's why they could win by 9 runs in that match against Netherlands. Otherwise, it would have been a big upset.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on September 25, 2022, 12:20:56 PM

You are right. There was a game between Netherlands and Pakistan in which Pakistan just scored 206 runs and it was bowlers that saved the day for Pakistan. From both these tour of Srilanka and Netherlands its very much clear that Pakistan is not a good test and odi side.

Yeah.. we are talking about the 3rd ODI between these two sides, in which Pakistan won by just 9 runs. Apart from Babar Azam (91) all the other Pakistani batsmen failed in this match. But historically, Netherlands has been strong in the pace bowling department. Remember the 2003 World Cup match between India and Netherlands? India were bowled out for just 204 runs (two runs less than what Pakistan made). Back then it was Tim de Leede who wrecked the Indian batting lineup. And 19 years later, it was his son (Bas de Leede) who bowled out Pakistan for 206.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 25, 2022, 12:06:46 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on September 25, 2022, 10:34:12 AM

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Meanwhile, Pakistan hasn't played ODI and test cricket for quite a while so it's difficult to say how they are in ODI format.

The last Test series Pakistan played was their tour to Sri Lanka and Pakistan won the first match and Sri Lanka won the second one and tied the series and it was in July. Pakistan toured Netherlands in August and played 3 ODI, even though it was not high scoring matches the bowlers were good enough to defeat Netherlands. With every team focusing on T20 World Cup there is not much Test and ODI until that time.

You are right. There was a game between Netherlands and Pakistan in which Pakistan just scored 206 runs and it was bowlers that saved the day for Pakistan. From both these tour of Srilanka and Netherlands its very much clear that Pakistan is not a good test and odi side.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on September 25, 2022, 10:34:12 AM

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Meanwhile, Pakistan hasn't played ODI and test cricket for quite a while so it's difficult to say how they are in ODI format.

The last Test series Pakistan played was their tour to Sri Lanka and Pakistan won the first match and Sri Lanka won the second one and tied the series and it was in July. Pakistan toured Netherlands in August and played 3 ODI, even though it was not high scoring matches the bowlers were good enough to defeat Netherlands. With every team focusing on T20 World Cup there is not much Test and ODI until that time.

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Quote from: rojan on September 25, 2022, 04:46:32 AM

Pakistan is in a good position now. Pakistan is a very good team they have built. I think Pakistan has some players who play very well in every match. But if we talk about Pakistan bowlers, they are fine in terms of bowling. They are very strong in terms of Pakistan bowling. They will not lose batting. I think overall they have been a very good team Pakistan.

Really it's only me or is there someone else alone who doesn't know what you are trying to say? Yes we are all here for post count of our bounties but our posts should make some sense.
Meanwhile, Pakistan hasn't played ODI and test cricket for quite a while so it's difficult to say how they are in ODI format.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 24, 2022, 08:56:36 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 24, 2022, 09:23:45 AM

Kinda amazing everyone wants fair distribution but no stakeholders talk about how to bring a fair amount of money to the table from broadcasting deals be it from ICC tournaments or Bilateral. Only reason BCCI opposes every such proposal. In their point of view, this all seems to be predatory behavior.

I can't even blame them if we look at numbers. They are contributing close to 70%-80% and receive 15%-18% money back. In contrast, its 3 neighboring countries contribute 1-2% at best and walk away with almost 20-ish% of revenue combined and everyone still shit on BCCI constantly.

The kind of money ICC raised from India in a recent media right auction is way too big and could dictate the drama. My fear is if by any chance in this cycle BCCI's contribution to the ICC revenue pot increases by 10% more (80+10 =90%) then this is going to be a problem for everyone. This will give BCCI immense bargaining power again and what if they decide to boycott ICC tournament? Every Broadcaster will %uck the ICC without any doubt.

BCCI contribute to around 70% of the TV broadcasting revenues, and they get 23% of the ICC funding in return ($405 million out of $1,774 million). ECB receives just 8% and the other tier 1 test nations receive just 7.2% each. In short, they receive almost 3x the revenues when compared to the second placed association. On top of that, ICC has blocked 2.5 months every year from it's calendar for the IPL. IMO, this looks fair for me. If the BCCI asks for more, then obviously the associate nation funding will be decreased even further.

as a matter of fact, i agree with you that this is fair. the question is, to what extent?
in my opinion, this is a fair deal for BCCI. it is likely that this is also fair to the teams at the top of the pyramid. do you think this is a fair thing to do for everyone?
when i say everyone, i mean the associate countries. in the long run, ICC will be unable to improve the situation of associated countries if they do not care about them. at some point, the revenue for the ICC is not going to improve for the foreseeable future. it is true that ICC may be forced to run as a non-profit project for some time if it gives more funds to the associate countries than it has been doing. after that, it will be worth it in the end.

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The kind of money ICC raised from India in a recent media right auction is way too big and could dictate the drama. My fear is if by any chance in this cycle BCCI's contribution to the ICC revenue pot increases by 10% more (80+10 =90%) then this is going to be a problem for everyone. This will give BCCI immense bargaining power again and what if they decide to boycott ICC tournament? Every Broadcaster will %uck the ICC without any doubt.

Pakistan and england are having a great series after 17 years England team has arrived in Pakistan
Pakistani Cricket board Chairman Rameez Raja has been shown incredible performance in his career and now as a professiona and has done a great work for the Pakistani cricket

It is true that when playing Pakistan team, the big teams of the world worry about how they will beat Pakistan. Pakistan's board president must be applauded for reaching this stage. He managed his team beautifully. Due to which Pakistan cricket has reached a good stage in the world.

Pakistan is in a good position now. Pakistan is a very good team they have built. I think Pakistan has some players who play very well in every match. But if we talk about Pakistan bowlers, they are fine in terms of bowling. They are very strong in terms of Pakistan bowling. They will not lose batting. I think overall they have been a very good team Pakistan.

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Quote from: og kush420 on September 24, 2022, 07:01:29 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 24, 2022, 09:23:45 AM

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The kind of money ICC raised from India in a recent media right auction is way too big and could dictate the drama. My fear is if by any chance in this cycle BCCI's contribution to the ICC revenue pot increases by 10% more (80+10 =90%) then this is going to be a problem for everyone. This will give BCCI immense bargaining power again and what if they decide to boycott ICC tournament? Every Broadcaster will %uck the ICC without any doubt.

Pakistan and england are having a great series after 17 years England team has arrived in Pakistan
Pakistani Cricket board Chairman Rameez Raja has been shown incredible performance in his career and now as a professiona and has done a great work for the Pakistani cricket

It is true that when playing Pakistan team, the big teams of the world worry about how they will beat Pakistan. Pakistan's board president must be applauded for reaching this stage. He managed his team beautifully. Due to which Pakistan cricket has reached a good stage in the world.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 24, 2022, 08:56:36 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 24, 2022, 09:23:45 AM

Kinda amazing everyone wants fair distribution but no stakeholders talk about how to bring a fair amount of money to the table from broadcasting deals be it from ICC tournaments or Bilateral. Only reason BCCI opposes every such proposal. In their point of view, this all seems to be predatory behavior.

I can't even blame them if we look at numbers. They are contributing close to 70%-80% and receive 15%-18% money back. In contrast, its 3 neighboring countries contribute 1-2% at best and walk away with almost 20-ish% of revenue combined and everyone still shit on BCCI constantly.

The kind of money ICC raised from India in a recent media right auction is way too big and could dictate the drama. My fear is if by any chance in this cycle BCCI's contribution to the ICC revenue pot increases by 10% more (80+10 =90%) then this is going to be a problem for everyone. This will give BCCI immense bargaining power again and what if they decide to boycott ICC tournament? Every Broadcaster will %uck the ICC without any doubt.

BCCI contribute to around 70% of the TV broadcasting revenues, and they get 23% of the ICC funding in return ($405 million out of $1,774 million). ECB receives just 8% and the other tier 1 test nations receive just 7.2% each. In short, they receive almost 3x the revenues when compared to the second placed association. On top of that, ICC has blocked 2.5 months every year from it's calendar for the IPL. IMO, this looks fair for me. If the BCCI asks for more, then obviously the associate nation funding will be decreased even further.

Now you are calling the system fair, on the other hand, all debate revolves around how BCCI is taking all the money.

Your argument is BCCI is taking 3x amount but at the same time they are contributing 70% and You also pointed out ECB and tier 1 test nation's numbers but what about their % of contribution?

Btw 70% is a conservative number as ICC never revealed accurate figures, remember this is the first time they auctioned media rights on basis of region, earlier it was global bid. This time we'll have the correct numbers.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 24, 2022, 09:23:45 AM

Kinda amazing everyone wants fair distribution but no stakeholders talk about how to bring a fair amount of money to the table from broadcasting deals be it from ICC tournaments or Bilateral. Only reason BCCI opposes every such proposal. In their point of view, this all seems to be predatory behavior.

I can't even blame them if we look at numbers. They are contributing close to 70%-80% and receive 15%-18% money back. In contrast, its 3 neighboring countries contribute 1-2% at best and walk away with almost 20-ish% of revenue combined and everyone still shit on BCCI constantly.

The kind of money ICC raised from India in a recent media right auction is way too big and could dictate the drama. My fear is if by any chance in this cycle BCCI's contribution to the ICC revenue pot increases by 10% more (80+10 =90%) then this is going to be a problem for everyone. This will give BCCI immense bargaining power again and what if they decide to boycott ICC tournament? Every Broadcaster will %uck the ICC without any doubt.

BCCI contribute to around 70% of the TV broadcasting revenues, and they get 23% of the ICC funding in return ($405 million out of $1,774 million). ECB receives just 8% and the other tier 1 test nations receive just 7.2% each. In short, they receive almost 3x the revenues when compared to the second placed association. On top of that, ICC has blocked 2.5 months every year from it's calendar for the IPL. IMO, this looks fair for me. If the BCCI asks for more, then obviously the associate nation funding will be decreased even further.

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